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NineNightsHanging

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38. Do you know the difference between the FBI and the NSA?

Tue Jul 9, 2013, 08:06 PM

Jul 2013

You seem confused. That article is about the FBI. We are talking about the NSA.

here's from Wikipedia's article on PRISM

"Prior to 2013, a number of programs had been authorized and executed by the U.S. government which sought to collect communications or communications data on a large scale. Some aspects had been declared unconstitutional (United States v. U.S. District Court), and legislation passed which was expected to resolve this; in at least one case, legal action was impeded by the secret nature of any purported or alleged surveillance (American Civil Liberties Union v. National Security Agency)."

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When Greenwalds Attack! 10 Examples From His Past [View all] Galraedia Jul 2013 OP

The man has no class or credibility AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #1

Indeed. Serwer showed no class attacking Greenwald and in doing so diminished his credibility. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #77

I can't argue with that. Two miserable men digitally slapping each other. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #88

Ah, so you know them personally. Cool! Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #90

You sound like a Propanganda Planter AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #85

The irony in your post is delicious. reusrename Jul 2013 #122

Daniel Serwer writes for the neoliberal Atlantic. Cooley Hurd Jul 2013 #2

He sounds like a monster: baldguy Jul 2013 #10

The bastard! randome Jul 2013 #13

That louse! babylonsister Jul 2013 #30

Serwer's initial comment was completely out of line. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #48

Daniel Serwer appears to be a credible source. n/t Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #53

I know who Daniel Serwer is. Hissyspit Jul 2013 #62

Greenwald promoting Snowdens lies is out of line - esp. for a "journalist". baldguy Jul 2013 #58

Greenwald thinks Snowden has done more than a guy who negotiated peace in Bosnia arely staircase Jul 2013 #79

And Dennis Kucinich comments on FOX. He's VP of the USIP KittyWampus Jul 2013 #12

And Greenwald writes for AEI and American Conservative frazzled Jul 2013 #46

He also uses sock puppets on forums to support himself... Whisp Jul 2013 #3

Does he not know who Daniel Serwer is? JaneyVee Jul 2013 #4

Therefore naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #5

No. That is not the "therefore." What is the NSA doing? That is the "therefore"-- Moonwalk Jul 2013 #60

+1 billion "What is the NSA doing? That is the therefore" Recursion Jul 2013 #80

I love it when it's thrown back in his fuckin' ignorant face. Cha Jul 2013 #6

Classy. Real Classy. /nt TheMadMonk Jul 2013 #64

Why are you so viscerally enraged by Glenn Greenwald? Marr Jul 2013 #96

Well, see, that's the thing about the OP. reusrename Jul 2013 #123

Where is Greenwaldo? flamingdem Jul 2013 #7

Here's the thing. All Snowden has "revealed" is old news gotten in old newspapers. Greenwald helped KittyWampus Jul 2013 #16

You know, you get some interesting Google images for 'ratfuck'. randome Jul 2013 #19

Karl Rove in the process with a rat? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #23

I don't see Karl but I see a couple of Paul Reiser? Wonder what's up with that? randome Jul 2013 #29

Do not question the Snowden. You will be assimilated. shenmue Jul 2013 #8

You just confirmed my suspicion that the NSA is not spying on us Blue Bike Jul 2013 #9

Lack of evidence plus smarmy personality equals asshole. randome Jul 2013 #15

Smear campaign well underway NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #20

Evidence. Not even proof, just evidence. randome Jul 2013 #24

sorry, where have you been? NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #28

If you mean the metadata, get to work on changing the laws for that. randome Jul 2013 #31

wrong again NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #35

So if an analyst is undecided about whether someone is foreign or not... randome Jul 2013 #40

FISA is ruling on entire surveillance programs, not individual warrants NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #50

Which we've known about for years. Bush, Jr. had the same metadata. randome Jul 2013 #54

We dont even KNOW the interpretations of the laws now NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #55

I think we are all in agreement to push for more transparency and less secrecy. randome Jul 2013 #56

The NSA is spying. It's what they do. But why did Greenwald give a nobody w/no real story KittyWampus Jul 2013 #26

uh, WRONG NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #32

WOW! We learned the word PRISM. Here is an article from 2008 about "direct access"- KittyWampus Jul 2013 #34

Do you know the difference between the FBI and the NSA? NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #38

If you read the article (you read it that fast?) it says they work with the NSA. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #39

You're still wrong NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #44

+1 Thank you. I'm so tired of the blind allegiance. snappyturtle Jul 2013 #63

They know all of that shit. zeemike Jul 2013 #81

Google already has all my data. That actually bothers me more. aquart Jul 2013 #59

Just because you keep on repeating things doesn't mean its true AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #84

Agreed. The same can be said of Eddie ("I'm not here to hide from justice.") Snowden. randome Jul 2013 #91

Will Greenwald lovers still believe that Snowden was telling the truth once they learn that... Galraedia Jul 2013 #18

Snowden isn't interested in facts.. it's obvious by now Cha Jul 2013 #70

+1 burnodo Jul 2013 #67

Glen does not play well with others. And he's not a good enough journalist to get away with that.nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #11

Why doesn't Greenwald turn his attention to the real spying problem . . . Facebook!! Major Hogwash Jul 2013 #87

Clearly the NSA is not spying on people because Twitter. DirkGently Jul 2013 #14

Oh, and I heard Glenn has an overdue library book, so pay no attention to NSA wiretapping. Electric Monk Jul 2013 #17

I heard that Greenwald bites off the heads of kittens Mnpaul Jul 2013 #99

The NSA watched your thoughts form as you typed that. randome Jul 2013 #21

the NSA can't read your thoughts arely staircase Jul 2013 #100

Sorry, but Greenwald doesn't get a free pass for reporting on something that was revealed years ago. Galraedia Jul 2013 #22

Funny, the ACLU seems to think there's something new here. DirkGently Jul 2013 #25

Where does any of that have anything to do with anything of substance Snowden provided? KittyWampus Jul 2013 #27

Well, it is based on the precise information he revealed. n/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #33

Just to take a few examples: Did you know before these articles that ... BlueCheese Jul 2013 #43

I think I see where some of the confusion comes from. randome Jul 2013 #47

The NSA programs and the Fourth Amendment Galraedia Jul 2013 #37

In the cases described above... BlueCheese Jul 2013 #41

Dragnets are unconstitutional. There's no "caterer analogy" exception. DirkGently Jul 2013 #42

lol. Yeah. They want to send Snowden to jail for revealing already-revealed stuff Blue Bike Jul 2013 #57

They're everywhere! usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jul 2013 #36

It's so much fun to watch them play... cherokeeprogressive Jul 2013 #49

"Figaro!" randome Jul 2013 #51

Greenwald is a showboating Libertarian. In short, a puke. I can't believe how many people think he OregonBlue Jul 2013 #45

well DICK cheney has criticized snowden, and loves the nsa's programs NineNightsHanging Jul 2013 #52

So all Libertarians are evil? Liberals may sharply disagree with Libertarians on economic issues... AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #89

Yay, another one of the "irrelevant Glenn-Greenwald-is-such-an-asshole attacks" whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #61

Hahaha! I totally missed that! Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #65

Correspondence and collusion between the New York Times and the CIA Octafish Jul 2013 #66

A most excellent example. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #95

That's what makes a real journalist - integrity. Octafish Jul 2013 #104

The attempts to characterize Greenwald as coming late to the party re: the NSA are pathetic. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #108

Since we're in full ad hominem mode, sulphurdunn Jul 2013 #68

Wait what? Shouldn't that read "when Daniel Serwer attacks"? Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #69

And then there was his savage attack on Steven Rattner. pa28 Jul 2013 #71

Haha awesome! n/t whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #74

+1! So let me get this straight, people attack Greenwald, he responds, and somehow... Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #75

Typical BS from GG IMO: what did Rattner have to do with the aluminum tubes story? struggle4progress Jul 2013 #93

What did Rattner have to do with aluminum tubes? It's a lame rejoinder otherwise. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #116

Yeah. This thread might have been better titled "When Greenwald makes lame rejoinders!" pa28 Jul 2013 #121

Um, didn't Greenwald support the war in Iraq? baldguy Jul 2013 #124

So he should just take it, and not respond to direct insults? quinnox Jul 2013 #72

Why are you trying to change the subject and make this about Greenwald? totodeinhere Jul 2013 #73

Total FAIL: Ad Hominem attack. PRIVACY IS OUR RIGHT!!! grahamhgreen Jul 2013 #76

Why are some people in DU attempting to use Propaganda tactics... AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #78

this one who wrote the OP, for awhile was using the "anti-American" insult, but seems to have quinnox Jul 2013 #83

Thats funny - Galreadia Iliyah Jul 2013 #82

His supporters often engage in this same tactic: arely staircase Jul 2013 #86

This level of desperateness by Obama supporters suggest willful delusion... AZ Progressive Jul 2013 #92

I knew there was a reason I wasn’t paying attention to this from the beginning.. busterbrown Jul 2013 #101

DU Rec... SidDithers Jul 2013 #94

DU Wreck... whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #103

This message was self-deleted by its author Electric Monk Jul 2013 #117

Pathetic pmorlan1 Jul 2013 #97

DU rec. Becuase, like Sid, I sometimes forget where I am. Luminous Animal Jul 2013 #98

These Greenwald pile-ons really make people here look ridiculous. Marr Jul 2013 #102

1984 is getting way too real Hydra Jul 2013 #112

Let's play a quick game of "Who said this?" Electric Monk Jul 2013 #115

Let's Bring the Thread Back to the Real Issue - the NSA Surveillance Overreach... xocet Jul 2013 #105

then start a thread, this one is about Greenwald nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #106

Whatever... n/t xocet Jul 2013 #107

who the fuck recs their own threads? frylock Jul 2013 #109

lol, nice catch quinnox Jul 2013 #110

seriously? arely staircase Jul 2013 #118

well, on that topic, there are definitely alternative opinions available quinnox Jul 2013 #119

ok, at least there are deferring opinions arely staircase Jul 2013 #120

Same kind that would sign his own yearbook. Union Scribe Jul 2013 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #113

The whole Greenwald thing is really exposing a some truths about Democrats. nt limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #114