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124. Russia...

Fri Jul 12, 2013, 09:51 AM

Jul 2013

What's the vibe there from the human rights groups on Russia and their loving relationship with gay people?

Russia they're number 1!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111 YAY RUSSIA!!!!

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Snowden meeting in Moscow with Human Rights Groups now (Live) [View all] Catherina Jul 2013 OP

Human rights activist being led one by one to the meeting with Snowden now Catherina Jul 2013 #1

Snowden e-mail inviting people to the event in progress now Coyotl Jul 2013 #16

edit: link works now. nt bunnies Jul 2013 #2

#snowden Coyotl Jul 2013 #3

Terrific! Thank you n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #5

You are welcome. I came to GD to start this thread! Coyotl Jul 2013 #6

Lol! Sorry I beat you, I would have worked in your thread Catherina Jul 2013 #7

That poor kid at the bottom of the escalator snooper2 Jul 2013 #115

There are rumors among Sheremetyevo staff that Snowden might have a flight today Catherina Jul 2013 #4

Thank you! Tuning into RT now. Please let him get out safely. chimpymustgo Jul 2013 #8

Obviously that rumor was quite false lol. n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #98

Official vehicle of Department of Presidential Affairs just passed by the terminal n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #9

Good. Oh, what does this Mean? ... allin99 Jul 2013 #10

Video not allowed in meeting btw #Snowden and around 8 Russian human rights figures. It begins. Coyotl Jul 2013 #11

Maybe the Russian human rights people need to examine this policy karynnj Jul 2013 #91

Not a policy. It is Snowden's meeting and his decision. Read his e-mail. n/t Coyotl Jul 2013 #93

I read his not all that impressive email karynnj Jul 2013 #103

Last tweet says 8 "Russian human rights figures"/ kentuck Jul 2013 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author kentuck Jul 2013 #14

There are a TON of people there Catherina Jul 2013 #18

And here's Snowden Catherina Jul 2013 #13

Looks a little gaunt and pale... kentuck Jul 2013 #17

and i'm glad to hear he is not dead. allin99 Jul 2013 #15

Why would he be dead? n/t Agschmid Jul 2013 #43

Because the CIA has a nasty habit of offing people. morningfog Jul 2013 #51

They do? Agschmid Jul 2013 #74

CIA contracted with the Mafia in 1960 to do that to Castro. Wet work continues to present day. Octafish Jul 2013 #203

Sorry should have added sarcasm tag. Agschmid Jul 2013 #204

He just hadn't been heard from in so long and the... allin99 Jul 2013 #58

#Venezuela says #Snowden yet to reply to asylum offer Coyotl Jul 2013 #19

This is bizarre. He even said he wants to thank them in person... allin99 Jul 2013 #120

Meeting with "human rights" groups in a Moscow airport, rather than defense attorneys AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #20

More coffee? marions ghost Jul 2013 #92

I'd also like an explanation for the quote marks. Perhaps that poster does not believe HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #112

Makes ya wonder marions ghost Jul 2013 #116

Or, perhaps, just perhaps, he or she believes in "human rights," but not HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #121

If so marions ghost Jul 2013 #128

Oh yeah, I'm with you 100%. The point is that by putting quote marks around the phrase, the HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #134

Yeah, a weaselly way of insinuating marions ghost Jul 2013 #153

JMO, but I think human rights in Moscow should be put in quotes, because there isn't any such thing. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #167

I see that but marions ghost Jul 2013 #170

I side with the White House on this issue 100% in respecting the work of human rights groups AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #187

So you think human rights groups are wrong to HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #193

Because as Jay Carney said this afternoon, human rights groups do a lot of good work AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #185

What reason did he give marions ghost Jul 2013 #189

nobody here is laughing frylock Jul 2013 #156

meeting with Snowden has begun Catherina Jul 2013 #21

MJ: The Doubters Are Wrong: Edward Snowden Is a Game-Changer Coyotl Jul 2013 #22

Great article. Thank you for that. Autumn Jul 2013 #95

will submit an asylum claim to Russia, plans to go to Latin America eventually Catherina Jul 2013 #23

Will he comply with Putin's condition that he not publicly disclose further information? FarCenter Jul 2013 #26

And is that offer even still on the table? bunnies Jul 2013 #33

It sounds like the offer is still there, and it sounds like Snowden would take it only morningfog Jul 2013 #40

Itll be interesting to see how the Prez reacts to this. bunnies Jul 2013 #42

So much for transparency! randome Jul 2013 #52

Alas... details are leaking out anyway. bunnies Jul 2013 #65

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jul 2013 #76

It's kind of insulting to Russia, isn't it? randome Jul 2013 #27

Russia will turn out to be his "Hotel California" FarCenter Jul 2013 #29

Not at all. Russia set conditions. He doesn't want to be bound by those conditions, morningfog Jul 2013 #32

He's clearly going to be bound to those conditions for the time being. randome Jul 2013 #39

Russia has, since the beginning, wanted him to move along. morningfog Jul 2013 #41

Putin is trying to play a delicate game. randome Jul 2013 #49

That doesn't make sense. morningfog Jul 2013 #57

In politics, optics matter. randome Jul 2013 #62

They could move him to Krasnoyarsk -- It's probably quite nice this time of year FarCenter Jul 2013 #55

The Russians have made it clear marions ghost Jul 2013 #36

It sounds like he needs the Russian asylum to protect his travel to Venezuela. morningfog Jul 2013 #38

The threats to Latin America are getting pretty bad, i commend them for... allin99 Jul 2013 #125

And yet he didn't even bother to respond to Venezuela's offer. randome Jul 2013 #127

Not true. morningfog Jul 2013 #136

'Accepts all offers' is a meaningless phrase. Who claims him then? randome Jul 2013 #139

Again, you are playing catch up. morningfog Jul 2013 #142

That was posted while I was composing. Of course I'm playing catch up. We all are. randome Jul 2013 #146

Hahaha, hang on to that. morningfog Jul 2013 #149

So he actually flew to Russia, despite all the comments that he was probably in Hong Kong or ????? FarCenter Jul 2013 #24

As well as my suspicion that he was fictional Recursion Jul 2013 #35

says govts in W. Europe, N.America are acting outside the law, preventing me from traveling. Catherina Jul 2013 #25

"outside the law"? or simply using standard criminal procedures? FarCenter Jul 2013 #30

HR lawyer: "UN mechanisms should ensure Snowden's rights. That is not the role of HR NGOs" Catherina Jul 2013 #37

The United States provides 22% of the United Nations budget. FarCenter Jul 2013 #70

Translation: "It's our U.N. goddamnit. We paid for it!" (Reminds me of the HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #119

It's the Golden Rule -- he who has the gold makes the rules. FarCenter Jul 2013 #123

Spoken like a dyedinthewool one percenter ... GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #201

Denying that money buys influence is like denying that gravity pulls things to the earth. FarCenter Jul 2013 #202

Confused, is asylum still def. an option from Russia? allin99 Jul 2013 #46

Looks like Russia may have backed off from that original offer a bit. bunnies Jul 2013 #83

Thanks. EEP! Am on the edge of my seat. allin99 Jul 2013 #84

Is TGI Fridays catering? brooklynite Jul 2013 #28

#Snowden has received asylum offers from Venezuela, Russia, Bolivia, Nicaragua and Ecuador, per Huma Coyotl Jul 2013 #31

He turned down Russia once. I suppose he needs to apply again. randome Jul 2013 #54

As of yesterday, Russia has only offered to "consider" asylum. bunnies Jul 2013 #77

Great stuff. So we know he is alive, still in Moscow and organizing his options. morningfog Jul 2013 #34

Yes. Basically would like to stay in Russia until he can fly to Latin America safely n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #45

Any idea where this is? brooklynite Jul 2013 #44

Asks wants intl orgs to petition the United States, EU not to interfere Catherina Jul 2013 #47

article 14 of the UN Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #63

US, Russia play waiting game over Snowden: report morningfog Jul 2013 #48

Yeah, let's see the U.S. try to push Russia around like they do L.A.... allin99 Jul 2013 #78

That may be why Russia's going to be Snowden's place of asylum. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #168

No actions I take or plan are meant to harm the US so Putin's condition poses no obstacle Catherina Jul 2013 #50

"Venezuela has a "sour relationship" with HRW" bunnies Jul 2013 #53

Here's the HRW record for 2013 - and it isn't good karynnj Jul 2013 #101

Thanks for the link. bunnies Jul 2013 #129

Being stuck in airport has limitations for appealing to intl organizations Catherina Jul 2013 #56

says he is recognized as asylum seeker by UNHCR but US doesn't acknowledge (Morales plane) Catherina Jul 2013 #59

"No actions I take or plan are meant to harm the US...I want the US to succeed." Catherina Jul 2013 #60

#Snowden sees logic: His work is not meant to damage US, so Putin's condition is no obstacle.n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #69

Has he agreed to stop leaking, or is he making the case that leaking is not damaging to America? Catherina Jul 2013 #87

What Snowden thinks is damaging is irrelevant -- it is what Putin thinks that counts. FarCenter Jul 2013 #94

Can he really not see that he has damaged US relations with many countries karynnj Jul 2013 #105

If the U.S. hasn't done anything wrong then eventually... allin99 Jul 2013 #132

And further to that point: if the USA has HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #145

So, you are saying that every person who is given a security clearance has the right to determine karynnj Jul 2013 #155

No, the US's actions damaged US relations with many countries. noamnety Jul 2013 #138

That would be true if the US uniquely did these things karynnj Jul 2013 #148

Exactly! nt SunSeeker Jul 2013 #158

Is the standard for whistleblowing that only their org must be corrupt? noamnety Jul 2013 #160

I don't equate child abuse with collecting phone and internet records karynnj Jul 2013 #194

Yes, I can see that your focus is whether or not he signed a nondisclosure agreement. noamnety Jul 2013 #196

We also that the collection of all this data is immoral or unethical karynnj Jul 2013 #200

Depends how you define "hurt" noamnety Jul 2013 #195

Exactly. The U.S. had a hell of a lot of nerve to say that Latin America... allin99 Jul 2013 #151

Okay - we're in the check-in area of Sheremetyevo Terminal "D" brooklynite Jul 2013 #61

Press is not at meeting, only HR activists Catherina Jul 2013 #64

As an aside: Snowden T-shirts in the major clothing stores of Berlin, Germany Catherina Jul 2013 #66

awesome. cuz this is BULLSHIT. I feel as oppressed as i did under Giuliani. allin99 Jul 2013 #73

Says he is recognized as an asylum seeker by UNHCR but US doesn't acknowledge it n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #67

Breaking: Snowden asks for asylum in Russia Coyotl Jul 2013 #68

Human rights activists are approaching the journalists and are commenting on the meeting now n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #71

Peskov: Kremlin has no confirmation of #Snowden appeal for asylum, but conditions are the ones Putin Catherina Jul 2013 #72

Duma deputy: Snowden said he will easily fulfill the conditions of the Russian Federation to stay Catherina Jul 2013 #75

Kremlin has no confirmation of Snowden's appeal, conditions remain the same Catherina Jul 2013 #79

Snowden feels fine, sleeps here at the airport and feels safe in Russia Catherina Jul 2013 #80

wants human rights organizations to petition US, EU not to interfere with his asylum process Catherina Jul 2013 #81

If #Snowden oficially requests political #asylum in Russia, his request will be processed - #Kremlin Catherina Jul 2013 #82

Processing his request may take some time FarCenter Jul 2013 #89

"No actions I take or plan are meant to harm the US." randome Jul 2013 #110

His psychological posture has been consistent -- he thinks that he is very important FarCenter Jul 2013 #118

The US official bullying posture has been consistent, marions ghost Jul 2013 #143

'Allegedly'. And Spain says their ambassador in Austria was responsible for the panic attack. randome Jul 2013 #159

Nothing so extreme marions ghost Jul 2013 #162

Wikileaks will release Snowden's statement to human rights groups early this evening Catherina Jul 2013 #85

How ironic would it be if Russia played peacemaker by giving him asylum... allin99 Jul 2013 #86

If people wish for #Snowden to not ask #Russia for help, they should ensure he may freely travel Catherina Jul 2013 #88

has written request for political asylum, Russian law allows its being granted - lawyer Kucherena Catherina Jul 2013 #90

Are the Human Rights Groups going to meet with Putin dbackjon Jul 2013 #96

Nah. bunnies Jul 2013 #140

Russian Deputy: He feels he is right. Is on the blacklist for many airlines Catherina Jul 2013 #97

Snowden's asylum plea irrelevant if he declines #Russia's terms - Human Rights Council head n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #99

presidential council: will provide legal support to Snowden in going thru political asylum process Catherina Jul 2013 #100

Russian Federal Migration Service: We not yet received an application for political asylum Catherina Jul 2013 #104

must be given refugee status, preferably by UN,or Red Cross,not Russia - Russian commissioner for HR Catherina Jul 2013 #102

I said this early today before the conference Ichingcarpenter Jul 2013 #109

Russia cannot extradite Snowden - deputy Nikonov Catherina Jul 2013 #106

Search of Morales plane in Vienna showed those who are looking for him may resort 2 extreme measures Catherina Jul 2013 #107

However ironic Russia talking about human rights is, it makes sense about... allin99 Jul 2013 #113

statement would be set forth in a letter to President Putin Catherina Jul 2013 #108

Russia's oldest human rights activist: grant asylum, don't fear deterioration of relations with US Catherina Jul 2013 #111

ACLU: right to asylum is universal. US is interfering with that right Catherina Jul 2013 #114

State Duma Speaker: grant political asylum because in US he could face the death penalty Catherina Jul 2013 #117

lawyer: granting political asylum could be settled within two-three weeks Catherina Jul 2013 #122

Institute of Democracy and Cooperation FarCenter Jul 2013 #135

Thanks n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #166

Russia... one_voice Jul 2013 #124

In line with the law, may become a #citizen of Russia, but may take some time Catherina Jul 2013 #126

But he doesn't want to be a citizen of Russia. He wants to use Russia as a temporary life raft. randome Jul 2013 #130

The US and Russia have considerable experience housing defectors from the other side FarCenter Jul 2013 #188

2nd photo of Snowden in Moscow Catherina Jul 2013 #131

Duma:Snowden a human rights defender,who advocates for the rights of millions of people in the world Catherina Jul 2013 #133

STATEMENT by Edward Snowden to human rights groups at Moscow Catherina Jul 2013 #137

This is a hell of a claim! morningfog Jul 2013 #141

That was confirmed by other whistleblowers. ChimpyMustGo started a new thread for it Catherina Jul 2013 #144

Yeah, this i'd like to see. allin99 Jul 2013 #147

Simply put, the technical capability is used without warrant Catherina Jul 2013 #150

Surprisingly, though, Snowden didn't think to get evidence of that. randome Jul 2013 #154

Thanks, Catherina. That is a very important statement Zorra Jul 2013 #165

I thought so too. He's absolutely correct too Catherina Jul 2013 #178

Kudos and laurel wreaths to Snowden for this statement! Peace Patriot Jul 2013 #181

I don't think the US has violated Article 12 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights FarCenter Jul 2013 #184

I wonder how many of the Russians feel about this "human rights" thing..... Sheepshank Jul 2013 #152

That was the Soviet Union that your parents grew up under. Cleita Jul 2013 #157

nope...actually it's not gone Sheepshank Jul 2013 #161

Duma Chairman: We expect #US to correctly interpret granting asylum as a humane thing Catherina Jul 2013 #163

K&R! Glad to see he's OK! n/t backscatter712 Jul 2013 #164

If #Snowden accepts condition of Putin for political asylum, there is no reason for him to be denied Catherina Jul 2013 #169

i wonder if he would accept conditions to stop releasing u.s... allin99 Jul 2013 #173

Glenn Greenwald and Wikileaks has his documents, so Snowden can sit quiet for a while. backscatter712 Jul 2013 #175

Technically, he's not releasing anything anymore Catherina Jul 2013 #177

if Russia takes him in i will .... allin99 Jul 2013 #179

Here you go Allin Catherina Jul 2013 #199

Russia should meet #Snowden's request for political asylum - Federation Council Chair Catherina Jul 2013 #171

It's an all-you-can-eat feast of irony. gulliver Jul 2013 #172

I know, right? CakeGrrl Jul 2013 #174

It's ironic in a lot of ways. noamnety Jul 2013 #180

When the book is written the title will obviously be flamingdem Jul 2013 #186

Video, no sound... allin99 Jul 2013 #176

Thanks Alin Catherina Jul 2013 #182

This message was self-deleted by its author allin99 Jul 2013 #183

U.S. to Russia.. allin99 Jul 2013 #190

I just started a thread about that Catherina Jul 2013 #191

Heavy pressure marions ghost Jul 2013 #192

Just updated the OP with unofficial video n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #197

Russian Deputy: Russia never extradites to countries with the death penalty Catherina Jul 2013 #198

Hmmm, i wonder if that comment means.... allin99 Jul 2013 #205