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168. I agree with the sentiments expressed by former Spanish Socialist Prime Minister Zapatero in his

Tue Jul 16, 2013, 09:10 AM

Jul 2013

conversation with Hugo Chavez.

"I am not at all close to the ideas of (Jose Maria) Aznar, but former PM Aznar was elected by the Spanish people, (and from that point of view) I demand respect (for him) for one reason... forms shape the being of things and one can strongly disagree about anything while keeping respect for other persons. This is the principle one must follow in order to be respected at a later time."

The context was a dialogue between current heads of state regarding a former head of state (Aznar) who was, as Chavez noted, disrespectful, a Fascist and complicit in many crimes. And the heads of state of the various Latin American countries loudly applauded Zapatero's statements even though they knew what Chavez said about Aznar was true.

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Obama toasts Poppy Bush: 'We are surely a kinder and gentler nation because of you' [View all] Octafish Jul 2013 OP

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The Bush Family: A Continuing Criminal Enterprise? Octafish Jul 2013 #11

Excellent read. Thanks. russspeakeasy Jul 2013 #31

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War is Peace. woo me with science Jul 2013 #2

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With the help of Lantos, my congressman at the time. deurbano Jul 2013 #131

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And much worse off due to his alcholic frat boy jesus freak son. Dawson Leery Jul 2013 #3

there's only one word that describes my reaction to this. grasswire Jul 2013 #4

COMCAST reads like Peggy Noonan. Wish they'd include Gary Trudeau for accuracy... Octafish Jul 2013 #28

So for 41's eulogy, will Obama paise the great job he did raising his sons? Divernan Jul 2013 #59

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ugh quinnox Jul 2013 #5

Ozone Man is what Poppy called Al Gore in '92. Octafish Jul 2013 #105

UGH is right. Owl Jul 2013 #161

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And shortly before an abrupt about face on FISA... Pholus Jul 2013 #214

What a load of horseshit. Sorry Obama, I know you're obligated but...... Avalux Jul 2013 #9

He's not obligated to be so effusive and untruthful. grasswire Jul 2013 #13

No he's not dflprincess Jul 2013 #120

This adulation is similar to the adulation of Sun Myung Moon grasswire Jul 2013 #10

Poppy's favorite Newspaper was the Rev. Moon's Washington Times Octafish Jul 2013 #17

Best Washington Times story ever, that has remained completely off the MS/public radar: WinkyDink Jul 2013 #158

Someone must have that pix of Poppy crowning Sun Myung Moon KoKo Jul 2013 #47

that was Harold Ford with the coronation: Poppy just celebrated his birthdays n/t MisterP Jul 2013 #71

I still think there's a photo of Poppy crowning Sun Yung Moon... KoKo Jul 2013 #74

I Think I Got Part of it ...HERE from SALON! KoKo Jul 2013 #89

Liberty University saved by Rev Moon Octafish Jul 2013 #100

There was a YouTube of Poppy Bush in the Moon Wine Ceremony at White House KoKo Jul 2013 #103

Neil posed for a nice shot, once or twice. Octafish Jul 2013 #75

blm...has kinda KoKo Jul 2013 #85

blm is loyal as the day is long. Octafish Jul 2013 #93

yes...I will say that she is..as I said, a treasure. n/t KoKo Jul 2013 #104

Neil and Moon article: WinkyDink Jul 2013 #160

Paraguay? ¿Por que no? Octafish Jul 2013 #189

Never forget. I posted elsewhere how they've got their hooks on a large aquifer in SA. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #190

Photo: WinkyDink Jul 2013 #157

Presidents often have to be polite when we would rather they not. Liberal Veteran Jul 2013 #12

I don't recall Pruneface, Poppy or Smirko ever doing anything nice for Jimmy Carter. Octafish Jul 2013 #84

Maybe our side is just more classy. Liberal Veteran Jul 2013 #92

cognitive dissonance can lead to extreme rationalization markiv Jul 2013 #177

Pretty telling. Enthusiast Jul 2013 #149

Well, looks like he's 5th wheel Ter Jul 2013 #203

Can you point to some Republican President doing this for a former Democratic President? sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #139

Well, I suppose Obama could have just kicked him the nuts... Liberal Veteran Jul 2013 #141

Who invited him there? He didn't just decide to drop in on the WH. These things are planned sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #147

Perhaps, he sees in Bush a kindred spirit Broward Jul 2013 #174

I'm having trouble finding many moments in the last few decades Heywood J Jul 2013 #166

JFK tried. Octafish Jul 2013 #211

They are all in the same club now Puzzledtraveller Jul 2013 #14

True. And the rich keep getting richer. Octafish Jul 2013 #110

oh, please. KG Jul 2013 #15

Poppy foisted Clarence Thomas on us. Octafish Jul 2013 #196

Another party for the Don RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #16

El Mozote Octafish Jul 2013 #35

um, yeah, that's the ticket . . . datasuspect Jul 2013 #18

Poppy Bush: ''Let’s forgive the NAZI war criminals.'' Octafish Jul 2013 #172

He shoulda lifted his leg on the old bastard!!! BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #19

The drama queens here are rife. You're right; he's doing what babylonsister Jul 2013 #54

I guess he should have been polite but firm at what could be the old man's last visit to the WH BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #55

The old man belonged in jail after Iran Contra but he pardoned himself and all the convicted sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #140

Two different issues BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #142

Wrong, there is not obligation to be 'gracious' to criminals who have nearly destroyed this country. sabrina 1 Jul 2013 #144

Ack... TeeYiYi Jul 2013 #20

The Business Plot to Topple FDR Octafish Jul 2013 #173

"Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." nt raccoon Jul 2013 #21

Surely you jest. GeorgeGist Jul 2013 #22

Way more than a thousand points of light died in Central America due to the bastard's actions n2doc Jul 2013 #23

Will Barb call Obama her other son? Autumn Jul 2013 #25

A kinder, gentler nation? WTF is this? n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #26

I agree! Who the fuck is this man!?!? Rex Jul 2013 #48

What you said. I can only think of Carlin right now. It's a big club and we're not in it n/t Catherina Jul 2013 #67

It's hard not to take that exactly as he said...after we see it in action. n/t KoKo Jul 2013 #106

Neil Young on Poppy Bush and his time n2doc Jul 2013 #27

One of my favorite Neil tunes. Amazingly both timely and prescient. nt adirondacker Jul 2013 #51

Yup Enthusiast Jul 2013 #151

Since 1981: A Kinder, Gentler Machine Gun Hand. Octafish Jul 2013 #188

Excuse me while I go and puke tularetom Jul 2013 #29

Way to give Jeb Bush, via his father, a boost in his planned run for the presidency! Divernan Jul 2013 #30

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That's why I wish someone in the press would ask him about this FBI memo from Nov. 22, 1963... Octafish Jul 2013 #37

+1000 dflprincess Jul 2013 #121

Are you thinking that PBO was just being kind to a dying old man? KoKo Jul 2013 #108

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There is a 94 year old man in Minneapolis who has recently been accused of war crimes committed dflprincess Jul 2013 #122

Because he's so close to Clinton and Obama? And Presidents get off when KoKo Jul 2013 #123

I'm sure that's why dflprincess Jul 2013 #127

No...he shouldn't be let off...but, KoKo Jul 2013 #133

And so on and so forth...the NWO ladies and gentlemen-maybe the Beast...? bobthedrummer Jul 2013 #33

Hi Bob! robertpaulsen Jul 2013 #63

All love to you and yours robertpaulsen. Wisconsin is a battlefield. bobthedrummer Jul 2013 #182

Another Shout out to Bob! KoKo Jul 2013 #124

And all love to you KoKo-you've been here forever too. I've been active in battlefield Wisconsin. bobthedrummer Jul 2013 #184

It's active here in NC, too. KoKo Jul 2013 #191

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Sir, I hope you didn't include me in your praise to that POS.. russspeakeasy Jul 2013 #36

I'm going to call the WH and make sure... grasswire Jul 2013 #40

He looks about half dead n/t leftstreet Jul 2013 #39

I can't imagine being Trayvon Martin's parents and hearing this. factsarenotfair Jul 2013 #42

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So much has gotten crueler and meaner in this country, like SYG. factsarenotfair Jul 2013 #56

hearing this so soon after the Zimmerman verdict is probably like a kick in the teeth quinnox Jul 2013 #58

Obama issued a statement on the verdict Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #61

Willie Horton destroyed Michael Dukakis Octafish Jul 2013 #81

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Ah Willie--- the Black Meat Puppet that Bush Inc used to mislead the now commonly warrant46 Jul 2013 #113

Iran-Contra. Chiyo-chichi Jul 2013 #43

Poppy got away with murder and treason. Octafish Jul 2013 #116

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How heartwarming! QC Jul 2013 #46

atheists in the military will love that! burnodo Jul 2013 #49

Obama had no choice. The Link Jul 2013 #50

yeah, considering that Carlyle Group owns him, ultimately grasswire Jul 2013 #52

OMFG. Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #57

Part of the "Big Club" now Hydra Jul 2013 #60

I don't gotta hate but I don't have to like it either TheKentuckian Jul 2013 #62

Please! nt ladjf Jul 2013 #64

Gag me Berlum Jul 2013 #65

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There's gotta be something.... KoKo Jul 2013 #77

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Another day... matthews Jul 2013 #68

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Welcome to DU! Hydra Jul 2013 #185

WTF? Apophis Jul 2013 #69

I KNOW that one of the jobs of a President is to be the nations 1st Diplomat, bvar22 Jul 2013 #70

Obama loves honoring Poppy Oilwellian Jul 2013 #72

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I think POTUS was being sarcastic. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #76

I agree with Yeoman6987. democrank Jul 2013 #80

Shrub = Coward warrant46 Jul 2013 #114

What a great way to slam Junior! Coyotl Jul 2013 #82

Compared to that illegitimate, unelected douchebag son of his... Skinner Jul 2013 #86

Well.....in his wheel chair...I guess one could see him as an KoKo Jul 2013 #111

I think "seems" is the word Hydra Jul 2013 #186

What a stomach-churning statement. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #87

Not gonna say it, wouldn't be prudent... IDemo Jul 2013 #90

Poppy used those very words in his eulogy for Gerald Ford. Octafish Jul 2013 #198

A Thousand Points Of Light? raindaddy Jul 2013 #91

I've never seen an investigation of where the funds go for "1,000 Points of Light." KoKo Jul 2013 #115

Please tell me that this is a Onion article Chisox08 Jul 2013 #94

I'd say something... 99Forever Jul 2013 #95

He was being nice to the guy. One of the 99 Jul 2013 #96

I think Obama is suffering from truth2power Jul 2013 #99

Lmao!!! darkangel218 Jul 2013 #176

I'm amazed Barack said that without laughing. muntrv Jul 2013 #101

Oh wtf!! SummerSnow Jul 2013 #102

Perhaps Obama is the honest politician we've always dreamed of... GliderGuider Jul 2013 #107

Hardly that ... BlueMTexpat Jul 2013 #109

Where the fuck did he come up with that idea? RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #112

Poppy Bush had "A Kinder and Gentler America" in his Inauguration Speech... KoKo Jul 2013 #117

I'd rather not throw up today.. RedCappedBandit Jul 2013 #118

Carlin: "It's a big club and you aint in it!" whatchamacallit Jul 2013 #125

Yep! He fits right in. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #135

Disturbing. n/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #126

Dude must be getting ready to croak. nt Ilsa Jul 2013 #128

The protocol for political diplomacy does not ever necessitate being gracious to fascists. nt Zorra Jul 2013 #129

yes it does. See my post below. nt stevenleser Jul 2013 #169

You're entitled to your opinion. My opinion is that fascists are not entitled to respect. Zorra Jul 2013 #215

Context is everything. Juan Carlos is telling one democratic leader who is repeatedly interrupting stevenleser Jul 2013 #216

you want him to spit in the dying fuckers face? jesus christ people are off the rails... dionysus Jul 2013 #130

It is way beyond that. Sorry. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #153

actually, it's not. neither bush ever honored Carter at the White House cali Jul 2013 #162

The perpetually outraged, are predictably outraged, about this non-event. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #167

If Obama had been talking about HWB's signing of the ADA, what he said would be appropriate suffragette Jul 2013 #136

Can't wait to see the pictures of the Obamas relaxing at Kennebunkport! kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #137

No one would accuse me of being too soft on Obama's policies... last1standing Jul 2013 #143

Unfortunately, some folks don't care to hear sentiments like yours. stevenleser Jul 2013 #170

What would you like the POTUS to say to a senile old man who likes rainbow socks? Hekate Jul 2013 #145

"sanctimonious hypocrite" doesn't begin to describe GHWB. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #154

What was he supposed to say, it's called being polite and having class and dignity. nt Raine Jul 2013 #146

Thank you, President Obama! Enthusiast Jul 2013 #148

WTH? WinkyDink Jul 2013 #155

Did I forget the Enthusiast Jul 2013 #212

I saw that sick display on tv. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #150

That tears it. It's as if Obama knows NOTHING ABOUT THE HISTORY HE FOLLOWED. Is he TRYING WinkyDink Jul 2013 #152

Old Bush was Reagan's Cheney. Waiting For Everyman Jul 2013 #156

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The Dirty Secrets of George Herbert Walker Bush -- video from 1988... Octafish Jul 2013 #199

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You are most welcome, D! Octafish Jul 2013 #204

I disagree The Great Dadda Jul 2013 #163

GAG Hubert Flottz Jul 2013 #164

"Ask not what your country can do for you, Heywood J Jul 2013 #165

I agree with the sentiments expressed by former Spanish Socialist Prime Minister Zapatero in his stevenleser Jul 2013 #168

I just vomited up some of my breakfast, thanks ... Myrina Jul 2013 #171

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Thank God actual historians don't subscribe to Miss Manners. WinkyDink Jul 2013 #180

Where did I ''shit on Obama'' SidDithers? Octafish Jul 2013 #183

Read the fucking thread... SidDithers Jul 2013 #193

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Blah blah blah... SidDithers Jul 2013 #208

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Know your BFEE pets... zappaman Jul 2013 #213

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thanks...nt Jesus Malverde Jul 2013 #202

The President is a classy guy. nt arely staircase Jul 2013 #179

'Tis true. Brigid Jul 2013 #207

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Thousand points of Light.... ForeignandDomestic Jul 2013 #192

"A kinder and gentler nation?" Brigid Jul 2013 #195

Obama, the one I voted for, doesn't exist. zeeland Jul 2013 #206

A thousand pints of puke SirRevolutionary Jul 2013 #205

READ MY LIPS... SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #209

Read my lips: FUCK OFF AND DIE. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #217

"It's time for another Bush/Nazis thread" an OP of mine from August 19, 2003-kick bobthedrummer Jul 2013 #218