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In reply to the discussion: Why Obama's the Least Socialistic President in Modern History (And That's a Shame) [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)6. More people do agree with you. It's Corporate McPravda what say otherwise.
Their well-emunerated lying liars spin things their way, despite the evidence. (Now I'm chums with people who are good friends with Mr. Florida...)
Why Right-Wingers (and Media Hacks) Are Totally Wrong About What Americans Believe -- We're Becoming Less, Not More, Conservative
Americans' views on the most pressing issues of the day are actually solidly progressive, so why do the media keep getting the story wrong?
Sarah Jaffe
Alternet.org
February 17, 2012
Despite some misguided triumphalism on the Right, America is not getting more conservative. In fact, if you look at lots of public opinion polls, you'll find that just the opposite is trueAmericans' views on the most pressing issues of the day are actually solidly progressive, with strong support for the social safety net and growing support for once-controversial social issues like marriage equality.
Nevertheless right-wing and center-contrarian media outlets love to jump on polls that identify Americans as conservative, without ever asking what the difference is between what your average Ohioan means by that word and what Marco Rubio means when he announces at CPAC that the majority of Americans are conservatives.
SNIP...
An article by the Atlantic's Richard Florida titled, Why America Keeps Getting More Conservative, is an excellent example of the problem of relying on nebulously defined, self-identified conservatism as a measure of ideology. Florida cites new Gallup poll numbers (the same ones Rubio and Politifact cited) that the polling outlet itself said provided little evidence that America is track[ing] right. Gallup offered the far more innocuous headline, Mississippi Most Conservative State, D.C. Most Liberal, with the subhead: State patterns in ideology largely stable compared with previous years.
But nothing has changed doesn't make a good headline, and so Florida hooked an entire story on a false premise that belies the conclusions drawn by the pollsters he cites. Gallup goes on to point out, Unlike political party identification, which has shifted significantly over the last four years, the state-by-state patterns in ideology have remained remarkably stable this year compared with previous years.
And Ed Kilgore at the Washington Monthly noted:
If you look at the Gallup data on which Floridas entire analysis (mainly just a charting of ideological self-identification by state) rests, it certainly doesnt show any dramatic recent rightward trend. The percentage of Americans self-identifying as conservative since 1992 has varied from a low of 36% to a high of 40% (a high it reached in 2004, before dropping to 37% in 2008). As it happens, the percentage of Americans (again, according to Gallup) self-identifying as liberal has also gone up 4% since 1992 (from 17% to 21%). The percentage self-identifying as moderates has, accordingly, drifted down from 43% in 1992 to 35% in 2011, though the number was only two points higher in 2007 and 2008.
CONTINUED with some very good links...
http://www.alternet.org/election2012/154182/why_right-wingers_%28and_media_hacks%29_are_totally_wrong_about_what_americans_believe_--_we%27re_becoming_less%2C_not_more%2C_conservative_/
The effectiveness of our Democratic Party's messaging would be greatly enhanced by a clear explanation of what we stand for and aim to accomplish. Instead, things get...complicated. And in that process, progress for the many devolves into welfare for the well-off and much lowered expectations for the rest of us. One thing we do get more of, calls for increased sacrifice on the part of the middle class. Which, hey, is a losing electoral proposition.
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Why Obama's the Least Socialistic President in Modern History (And That's a Shame) [View all]
Octafish
Feb 2012
OP
The Republicans seem to have won the argument on taxation of the rich. Few Americans now how
libinnyandia
Feb 2012
#1
A concerted, organized effort was made to keep America from following Social Democracies of Europe.
Octafish
Feb 2012
#3
Absolutely. My UMC pals all 'know' their ship will come in if they keep carrying water for the 1%.
Octafish
Feb 2012
#9
Thank you, Quantess. We need that FDR New Deal for the 21st century approach...
Octafish
Feb 2012
#15
Well, it's not that Obama can't be the one to change our entire system to a form of socialism...
Honeycombe8
Feb 2012
#13