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Reply to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Thu Aug 8, 2013, 10:11 PM

Aug 2013

(When Bush was working to create the Dept. of Homeland Security, I was trying to come up with a name for the new agency that would reflect its abuse of our civil liberties; I thought about how much it was like the old Soviet KGB, and with GWB's hands all over it, calling it the "KGWB" just seemed completely natural--plus Tom Ridge just looked like a Kommisar, sans the battle ribbons.....)

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Now get this straight: Obama is NOT spying on Americans. [View all] Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 OP

I feel better already! MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #1

don't forget yahoo, google and Facebook Heather MC Aug 2013 #117

They might blab to the government about you MNBrewer Aug 2013 #118

Very Well Said! Rockyj Aug 2013 #169

That cut through the crap. KNR leveymg Aug 2013 #2

You forgot Facebook, Google, Verizon, AT&T and Twitter ProSense Aug 2013 #3

.. Cha Aug 2013 #5

Facebook, Google, Verizon, AT&T and Twitter Phlem Aug 2013 #36

Exactly! n/t mercymechap Aug 2013 #53

And being a Democrat, you are joining the majority of Congressional Democrats who are planning sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #61

I can avoid those sites... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2013 #64

You bet correctly LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #73

SLAP! ret5hd Aug 2013 #94

drat, the interwebs have history? Who knew,.. lolz Civilization2 Aug 2013 #123

Quick, East Coast Pirate Aug 2013 #158

She did but now it seems to be A OK with her. nt Mojorabbit Aug 2013 #147

I will also scream Rockyj Aug 2013 #170

Do Facebook and Google arrest cancer grannies for getting high? Warren DeMontague Aug 2013 #176

So...Obama has outsourced spying? flvegan Aug 2013 #4

Well, I guess single payer is off the table. Too much personal info. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #6

This has NOTHING to do with single-payer. jazzimov Aug 2013 #9

According to Snowden's pal Ron Paul it does. baldguy Aug 2013 #34

Ron Paul isn't "Snowden's pal", so can it with the crank posts. nt delrem Aug 2013 #141

Thoughtful, serious & mature progressive Democrats always give campaign cash to RW lunatic clowns. baldguy Aug 2013 #151

Old Meme is Old Hydra Aug 2013 #21

Old meme is deflected, again. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #23

Old Meme fell flat, as it should Hydra Aug 2013 #25

They'll have much more than just health records. JaneyVee Aug 2013 #33

Oh? Do tell... Hydra Aug 2013 #35

Income, occupation, employer, SS numbers, home address, Phone number, JaneyVee Aug 2013 #38

Did you go through an airport scanner? They've probably got the photos for that as well. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #40

If that was addressed to me Hydra Aug 2013 #145

Why are you fine with the government having your health records? treestar Aug 2013 #75

With women's healthcare now covered it will be tracked like all other medical conditions Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2013 #91

Why shouldn't I be if they are my insurance provider? Hydra Aug 2013 #146

No. I'm in a debate about why people so "frightened" treestar Aug 2013 #159

OIC what you're trying to say Hydra Aug 2013 #163

How interesting Caretha Aug 2013 #171

They'll already have blood and urine samples. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #86

Just be honest Caretha Aug 2013 #172

You can't resolve the logic issue. That's what's obvious. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #178

Damn - You Mean We Have To Like Him Now? cantbeserious Aug 2013 #7

It would help if he liked us. Skeeter Barnes Aug 2013 #18

+100000! SammyWinstonJack Aug 2013 #24

Nailed it. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #41

Best back-at-ya of the day. zeemike Aug 2013 #45

Word! MissDeeds Aug 2013 #114

Aw c'mon he DOES like us ... Myrina Aug 2013 #121

Actually, none of the government agencies are "spying" jazzimov Aug 2013 #8

You can try being logical and reasonable, CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #12

You can call it by whatever authoritarian bullshit name you please. 99Forever Aug 2013 #13

+1000 forestpath Aug 2013 #16

When you call spying "collecting" it becomes a hobby and no longer spying (didn't you know that?) Dragonfli Aug 2013 #43

You are not the one who decides what is unconstitutional treestar Aug 2013 #77

Explain this to me if you can. A Simple Game Aug 2013 #119

Bush was doing it without FISA warrants. treestar Aug 2013 #120

Ok, but why was it illegal to do it without FISA warrants? n/t A Simple Game Aug 2013 #136

Because the law said the executive needed permission from the treestar Aug 2013 #162

But it is my understanding that even before FISA to preform a wiretap A Simple Game Aug 2013 #179

here treestar Aug 2013 #180

Very interesting case but... A Simple Game Aug 2013 #182

The case is not invalid treestar Aug 2013 #183

There does seem to me and apparently also to many other to be a big difference A Simple Game Aug 2013 #187

'no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause" cvoogt Aug 2013 #116

Government agencies do not need a warrant before they spy on you. reusrename Aug 2013 #22

wrong... gov't will look at everything they get. quadrature Aug 2013 #26

They don't "look" they "data mine". Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #71

Me Too RobinA Aug 2013 #135

The BIG BIG difference is. zeemike Aug 2013 #47

That has to be the scariest 'yet' I've read on DU (yet :) - nt HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #112

Geez, all the mercymechap Aug 2013 #55

We redefined torture too. Word games are such fun. Warren Stupidity Aug 2013 #70

^^ Winner, winner chicken dinner!!! ^^ Myrina Aug 2013 #122

So - it isn't spying for NSA to scan my e-mails for key words Ms. Toad Aug 2013 #72

Can you name one single instance in the entire record of human history when Egalitarian Thug Aug 2013 #110

Interesting Idea RobinA Aug 2013 #133

That's a crock of sophistry. "collecting isn't spying" - purest bullshit. delrem Aug 2013 #143

A footnote in history. mick063 Aug 2013 #10

Yeah: First African American President ProSense Aug 2013 #14

Some people have ODS so bad .. I almost feel Cha Aug 2013 #48

Is it too late to primary him? ProSense Aug 2013 #57

+1 treestar Aug 2013 #78

When did POTUS piss in your cornflakes? CakeGrrl Aug 2013 #15

He pissed in my cornflakes Lonr Aug 2013 #37

Hell he even dropped a small turd in your bowl while pissing on that one Dragonfli Aug 2013 #44

Good point. While his apologist can blame the Patriot Act and domestic spying on his predecessor, rhett o rick Aug 2013 #60

He pisses in my cornflakes whenever he drops a missile on a bunch of Yemeni teenagers.[n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #125

Glad you asked. After we worked our butts off to get him elected he picked Rick Warren to give rhett o rick Aug 2013 #50

Then you worked your "butts off" to get him re-elected? ProSense Aug 2013 #56

It appears that one of my fans on ignore replied. Sorry, have a great evening. nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #58

Don't forget fucking Bowles and Simpson. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #67

It was just politics. In 2012, he knew he needed the right of center vote more than the left. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #106

Thank you LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #76

That was such a big deal? treestar Aug 2013 #79

LGBT folks, and straight folks who can empathize with their fellow citizens who are unjustly Zorra Aug 2013 #89

Bigger deal than repeal of DADT treestar Aug 2013 #92

It is very sad that you (A) Can not grasp the insult, and Zorra Aug 2013 #96

Warren is nothing like a KKK member. treestar Aug 2013 #103

You just plain dont get it. Your loyalty is blinding you. You think it was more important for rhett o rick Aug 2013 #105

Yes it was treestar Aug 2013 #128

I will try one more time only. He deliberately insulted us. And that was just the rhett o rick Aug 2013 #134

I'm sure it was no intended as a deliberate insult. treestar Aug 2013 #137

I know you don't understand how and why you are a homophobe, but you are. Zorra Aug 2013 #126

Over the Rick Warren thing? treestar Aug 2013 #130

So please give a straight answer here: If, in 1961, JFK had invited a well known black hating racist Zorra Aug 2013 #139

Of course treestar Aug 2013 #160

So, you could lose your "support for gay right" over a comment? NorthCarolina Aug 2013 #167

Shit like this is still happening: Maedhros Aug 2013 #127

I generally go with the rule that you decide what you do treestar Aug 2013 #131

Just like racist Southern culture allowed lynchings to happen, Maedhros Aug 2013 #138

No the person who chose to commit violence is treestar Aug 2013 #161

Dont give him credit for ending DOMA. He drug his feet for 5 years. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #107

That is hilarious. You should have included the sarcasm emoticon. rhett o rick Aug 2013 #104

+1 MotherPetrie Aug 2013 #90

He tipped his hand the minute he threw Reverend Wright under the bus. Talk about a stab HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #113

You never worked your butt off to get him elected. Egnever Aug 2013 #174

I guess it's on you to prove that. You know full well what the President promised rhett o rick Aug 2013 #175

LOL You said you worked hard for him. Prove it! Egnever Aug 2013 #177

And if I do what? nm rhett o rick Aug 2013 #181

Actually a middling one nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #31

I See There Is RobinA Aug 2013 #142

Time has yet to tell quakerboy Aug 2013 #52

I'm guessing not so distant future. truebluegreen Aug 2013 #87

But all of the spying started under Obama so he's the one that is at fault for it uponit7771 Aug 2013 #11

You're so right! Hydra Aug 2013 #28

Carrying water to bashers = breathing in the same house Bush breathed in. Again REASONABLE expect uponit7771 Aug 2013 #42

Poor, helpless President Obama LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #82

Yeap, more right wing meme...obstruct and then act as if Obama has authority he doesn't uponit7771 Aug 2013 #95

Are you saying Obama doesn't support what the NSA is doing? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #97

No, Obama doesn't support right wing memes...not deflecting and I don't think EVERYTHING the NSA uponit7771 Aug 2013 #98

No, your argument was that it was unreasonable to expect LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #100

Yes, do you understand how many programs Bush started?!?!??! This is crazy!! uponit7771 Aug 2013 #184

LOL, something is indeed crazy here LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #188

If you "could care less about surveillance", then you are a bigger fool than you appear to be [n/t] Maedhros Aug 2013 #129

No, he's actually worse Hydra Aug 2013 #148

"It's no use. He's obviously the most powerful mind we've ever dealt with!" Maedhros Aug 2013 #154

Yup, he was baffled LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #156

...then they get mad at you uponit7771 Aug 2013 #185

You are wrong. The programs were started under Bush and Pres Obama is powerless to do anything rhett o rick Aug 2013 #108

Not Obama, just his......... DJ13 Aug 2013 #17

I will admit it, I find minions adorable. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2013 #32

The NSA did not have spying relations with those Americans! leftstreet Aug 2013 #19

Well you see it depends on what the word is is, also reasonable means always and recording all your Dragonfli Aug 2013 #39

It's just a hobby! leftstreet Aug 2013 #63

A team of lawyers have reviewed the fourth amendment and concluded that the word "collection" is rhett o rick Aug 2013 #109

You forgot google, microsoft, apple, and the lot of the rest of Amonester Aug 2013 #20

And yahoo's n/t Amonester Aug 2013 #27

and facebook's nt Amonester Aug 2013 #29

'n twitR's Amonester Aug 2013 #30

Which of those have the power to arrest me? LondonReign2 Aug 2013 #80

Why would they arrest you if they had it? Amonester Aug 2013 #88

Because RobinA Aug 2013 #144

'n those encrypted Skype sex video "chats" too, of course Coyotl Aug 2013 #46

Bullfeathers, Jackpiner. The United States Government is NOT spying on Americans! Octafish Aug 2013 #49

+++ nt dougolat Aug 2013 #66

K&R DeSwiss Aug 2013 #51

Hell, they're spying on HIM TOO. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #54

So when did this all start? rudyb Aug 2013 #59

Wrong question. You should be asking "when will all this end?" 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #83

Okay, I really didn't think he was actually reading my email. But why is he defending those who sabrina 1 Aug 2013 #62

A: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in politics. Amonester Aug 2013 #84

Yawn tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #65

Thanks Jackpine, nailed it again. Scuba Aug 2013 #68

DHS, our local cops (cameras, facial recognition, car tags), voter registration, and traffic cameras Sancho Aug 2013 #69

No they are not spying on all of us treestar Aug 2013 #74

The hell they aren't. 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #85

They get far more information voluntarily treestar Aug 2013 #93

You're not qualified to make that judgment DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2013 #99

I am. treestar Aug 2013 #102

du rec. xchrom Aug 2013 #81

K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #101

Social Security has our SS numbers Life Long Dem Aug 2013 #111

We are only collecting dossiers on everyone. Spying would be only when we open those dossiers... on point Aug 2013 #115

for profit,. follow the money,. BigIntel is corporate wet dream,. secret budget!!! Civilization2 Aug 2013 #124

Depends on your definitions matt819 Aug 2013 #132

Makes perfect sense. The NSA, FBI, CIA, et. al. will be there long after Obama leaves 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #140

Absolutely. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #149

Jay Gould comes to mind. RR Baron of the same era, who infamously said, "... 99th_Monkey Aug 2013 #150

Of course. Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #152

And thems only the ones we knows about. nt wandy Aug 2013 #153

Thank you for clarifying... midnight Aug 2013 #155

I think Bill Hicks got it right. backscatter712 Aug 2013 #157

That is so sickeningly believable you have to laugh to keep from screaming. GliderGuider Aug 2013 #164

He doesn't have a Magic Wand, bvar22 Aug 2013 #165

Some people not only want their pony, but Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #166

Yeah I believe him. Rex Aug 2013 #168

This message brought to you by the friendly spyfolks at the KGWB..... lastlib Aug 2013 #173

Kick! sarcasmo Aug 2013 #186