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MineralMan

(149,939 posts) Sun Aug 11, 2013, 11:39 AM Aug 2013

TOR Compromised, 'Secure' Mailer Servers Shutting Down...What It Means? [View all]

Things are changing rapidly, it seems. I don't use any encrypted services at all, so I'm not as familiar with such stuff as I might be, but I've been reading news, along with some analysis, about this stuff over the past week.

The TOR exploit appears to be related to Darknet hosting of child porn, using the TOR system to hide such activities. Freedom destroyed? Well, I like seeing kiddie porn providers destroyed.

All of this stuff relates in some way to the current NSA stuff, I'm sure, but exactly how and what it all means seems a little more obscure to me, and it's hard to sort out clearly.

So, for those DUers who understand the Darknet, how about some clarity for the rest of us, for whom it is truly dark? Let's air it out and get some knowledge flowing. I don't have it, but I'm sure interested in learning about this part of the Internet or whatever it is. Information, please...

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TOR Compromised, 'Secure' Mailer Servers Shutting Down...What It Means? [View all] MineralMan Aug 2013 OP

Here's the info on the Tor exploit ... RKP5637 Aug 2013 #1

So not regular Firefox users? I'm on version 22.0 hlthe2b Aug 2013 #2

I don't think it's an issue for anyone not using TOR. MineralMan Aug 2013 #4

OK. That sort of covers the exploit's coverage, but MineralMan Aug 2013 #3

This covers it in a lot more detail ... gov. versus Anonymous, this certainly leans toward gov. RKP5637 Aug 2013 #5

There have been updates ProSense Aug 2013 #6

Thanks, ProSense! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2013 #8

Still pretty unclear, really. MineralMan Aug 2013 #12

That's one of the sources I read earlier. MineralMan Aug 2013 #9

Kiddie porn? Give me a break. Th1onein Aug 2013 #51

This isn't about child porn. It's using child porn to make sure all communications are known to dkf Aug 2013 #7

Is not shutting down child porn a worthwhile effort? MineralMan Aug 2013 #10

Sure, but do it in a legal manner and don't disrupt others who are not involved in child porn. dkf Aug 2013 #16

OK. It's not clear to me that anything illegal was done, though. MineralMan Aug 2013 #18

OK, in simple English. Explain to me what the Darknet is. It sounds rather sinister. nt arely staircase Aug 2013 #27

Yikes. I'm still learning about it. MineralMan Aug 2013 #36

Anyone who doesn't want to be spied on can use TOR. dkf Aug 2013 #31

Indeed. Or so you think. MineralMan Aug 2013 #33

Shouldn't someone examine the legality of inserting tracking software though? dkf Aug 2013 #35

FISA only deals with international stuff. MineralMan Aug 2013 #38

That's where you are mistaken...the data is being collected under FISA dkf Aug 2013 #90

Is it? I haven't seen anything that indicates that at all. MineralMan Aug 2013 #92

What don't you believe? That the blanket warrants are approved in the FISA court? dkf Aug 2013 #102

Did you really just say that? Did you really just fucking say that? Th1onein Aug 2013 #65

Did you have to ask that question. It's right there in black and white. MineralMan Aug 2013 #67

Duh. It's called a "rhetorical question." Th1onein Aug 2013 #70

If it's between consenting adults (drugs, sex, porn) then leave it alone. TalkingDog Aug 2013 #45

It is totally legal to web crawl and find all available sites. gvstn Aug 2013 #26

I expect that targeting would be restricted in any court order or MineralMan Aug 2013 #34

We the people require LE to use a warrant JimDandy Aug 2013 #25

Do you know that no warrant exists for this? MineralMan Aug 2013 #29

Yeah, THAT'S right, MineralMan. Th1onein Aug 2013 #63

I've seen no information regarding the existence of warrants or that they MineralMan Aug 2013 #64

They EXPLOITED an opening in the system. What is it about that that you don't get? Th1onein Aug 2013 #69

+1. There's been spin about the Lavabit shutdown as well. napoleon_in_rags Aug 2013 #104

Bitcoins HolyMoley Aug 2013 #83

Yep, this is about child porn, and Snowden's girlfriend was a pole dancer 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #11

You know, I'm not seeing the pattern you're talking about. MineralMan Aug 2013 #13

Right, you're not all that interested in suppositions and accusations, but........ Th1onein Aug 2013 #76

The FBI's history of using warrants to do their investigations MineralMan Aug 2013 #80

They EXPLOITED a flaw in the system. That, alone, should tell you they don't have a warrant. Th1onein Aug 2013 #96

I see the pattern as well. And my addition skills are pretty good. Zorra Aug 2013 #59

I'll give my very vague understanding for what it is worth. gvstn Aug 2013 #14

Thanks for your information. It coincided with what I have MineralMan Aug 2013 #15

That's government malware and viruses thank you. dkf Aug 2013 #17

OK. So far, it's all been speculation. Do you have actual evidence of MineralMan Aug 2013 #19

They tracked it to Reston Virginia. In addition how stupid do you think we are? dkf Aug 2013 #20

Apparently, that has now come into question. MineralMan Aug 2013 #22

They need legal probable cause. Beats me how they get that by malicious code. dkf Aug 2013 #24

Child pornogrphy and pedophilia are found at the very highest levels of the world's powers: govt; WinkyDink Aug 2013 #54

I suppose so. MineralMan Aug 2013 #56

Tor is its own OS. gvstn Aug 2013 #21

It could be the NSA or FBI or another agency that MineralMan Aug 2013 #23

I don't think finding the site owners is hard. gvstn Aug 2013 #32

The methods to access the "darknet" require nothing sneaky at all tkmorris Aug 2013 #44

Thre's another aspect to Darknet dickthegrouch Aug 2013 #37

Ackk! gvstn Aug 2013 #46

This reads like the history of tank projectiles verse tank armor. mick063 Aug 2013 #28

Yes. I assume that child pornography is always an issue MineralMan Aug 2013 #30

Of course it does. But RIGHTS are, or should be, eternal tkmorris Aug 2013 #53

Thank you, tkmorris, for saying it so much better than I ever could. Th1onein Aug 2013 #84

It's a deeply-encrypted area wherein criminal activities are safely conducted. Drug sales, child- WinkyDink Aug 2013 #39

That's what I've gathered from today's research. MineralMan Aug 2013 #49

it was create as a haven for their dissidents, not ours... nebenaube Aug 2013 #103

It's funny watching you squirm. ret5hd Aug 2013 #40

I'm not squirming. I never squirm. MineralMan Aug 2013 #41

It is, isn't it? Th1onein Aug 2013 #86

See my #41. MineralMan Aug 2013 #91

Seen it. Not convinced. Good luck convincing others. Th1onein Aug 2013 #95

It means I'll continue using my Gmail account. millennialmax Aug 2013 #42

I've been using Yahoo mail for years. MineralMan Aug 2013 #43

I use yahoo mail too. gvstn Aug 2013 #47

Yep. I'm more terrified of hackers stealing my identity than anything else online. millennialmax Aug 2013 #50

I do all financial transactions on secure websites that are MineralMan Aug 2013 #52

I've never had a problem with Yahoo gvstn Aug 2013 #57

Google is pretty invasive at times, I suppose. MineralMan Aug 2013 #58

Yes, but I think this is what this whole topic is about. gvstn Aug 2013 #62

My father, who is now 88 years old, told me when I was MineralMan Aug 2013 #66

Watch this Lavabit scenario. gvstn Aug 2013 #93

I think the majority of the users of sites like Lavabit millennialmax Aug 2013 #48

I have no idea about that at all. MineralMan Aug 2013 #55

I've checked out TOR from time to time... whttevrr Aug 2013 #60

I used it briefly during the Iranian uprising Warpy Aug 2013 #73

In a way, TOR's desire to provide greater, more accessible anonymity, HolyMoley Aug 2013 #74

But this particular incident is troubling... whttevrr Aug 2013 #78

This why we can't have nice things. HolyMoley Aug 2013 #89

LOL! whttevrr Aug 2013 #97

Yup. We all use the Internet from some device. MineralMan Aug 2013 #75

The only anonymous entry would be through second hand equipment... whttevrr Aug 2013 #85

OK. I don't need anonymous internet access. MineralMan Aug 2013 #87

The issue with tor is an architectural weakness that has been acknowledged for some time Recursion Aug 2013 #61

There's that too... whttevrr Aug 2013 #72

It was only a matter of time before they compromised Tor Warpy Aug 2013 #68

There you go. You're clearly thinking about it in practical terms. MineralMan Aug 2013 #77

It means the Privacy PIRATES want EVERYONES Digital Comm usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #71

Yah, OK. MineralMan Aug 2013 #81

That's the most important issue to understand usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #88

Darknet Hidden Wiki - Have to be On The Tor Network To Access cantbeserious Aug 2013 #79

Thank you. I'll go read those links. MineralMan Aug 2013 #82

Easy To Access The Tor Network - Download The Tor Browser Bundle cantbeserious Aug 2013 #94

More Info On The Tor Network Compromise cantbeserious Aug 2013 #98

The Matrix - A Key Article Posted At The Darknet Wiki Page - Addresses Motivations cantbeserious Aug 2013 #105

I see the govt. wasting too much money for too little gain steve2470 Aug 2013 #99

The 64 Bit Version Of Tor Is Pretty Snappy On A High Speed Internet Connection cantbeserious Aug 2013 #100

ok I will remember that, thanks nt steve2470 Aug 2013 #101