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pampango

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Sun Aug 11, 2013, 09:37 PM Aug 2013

Krugman: Rand Paul "actually has no idea that the deficit is falling; it’s quite possible that [View all]

does Cantor."

A Poll I’d Like To See

Jonathan Chait finds Rand Paul talking about the evils of “running a trillion-dollar deficit every year” — which, as it happens, is not at all what we’re doing; the deficit is at around $600 billion and falling fast. This follows on Eric Cantor’s talk about “growing deficits”, when deficits are in fact shrinking.

I think it’s pretty clear that Paul actually has no idea that the deficit is falling; it’s quite possible that neither does Cantor. The whole incident reminds me of 2011, when supposedly well-informed candidates like Tim Pawlenty went on about soaring government employment during a time of unprecedented cuts in the public payroll. Once you’re inside the closed conservative information loop, you know lots of things that aren’t so.

What I’m curious about, however, is what the public knows. Larry Bartels likes to cite a 1996 poll in which voters were asked whether the deficit had increased or decreased under Clinton (it had, in fact, fallen sharply). A plurality of voters — and a heavy majority of Republicans — thought the deficit had gone up.

So I’d love to see a comparable poll now — asking, say, what has happened to the deficit since 2009. (It has actually been cut more than 50 percent). My bet is that it would look like that 1996 poll.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/08/09/a-poll-id-like-to-see/

I know that the "closed conservative information loop" makes republicans stupid, but I assumed that guys like Paul and Cantor knew the truth they just prefer to spout fear and emotion to their base. Can Krugman be right that they have themselves been brainwashed by the "closed conservative information loop"?
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I don't honestly think either man looks for any information Warpy Aug 2013 #1
buly pulpit kardonb Aug 2013 #17
You have no idea what the word means in this context. Warpy Aug 2013 #18
Right! The term originated withTeddy Roosevelt, using "bully" in the olf sense of something maddiemom Aug 2013 #31
The GOP is so used to repeating their worn out talking points and apparently their staff does not Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #2
That fucker knows full well Ohio Joe Aug 2013 #3
I agree with this assessment Skittles Aug 2013 #5
My take exactly. Enthusiast Aug 2013 #12
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Scuba Aug 2013 #14
Yeah. C'mon, Mr. Krugman, don't be naive... RevStPatrick Aug 2013 #20
Thanks pampango and Krugman! Cha Aug 2013 #4
Krugman does not get it, because he is compassionate man. freshwest Aug 2013 #6
You nailed it freshwest. Marie Marie Aug 2013 #7
Like the website said: freshwest Aug 2013 #11
My guess is that if Paul and Cantor were given a quiz dgauss Aug 2013 #8
My guess is you are wrong jmowreader Aug 2013 #21
Ha! That really hadn't occurred to me. You may be right. dgauss Aug 2013 #23
No politician like Paul or Cantor thinks of anything before they think about A Simple Game Aug 2013 #29
K & R Scurrilous Aug 2013 #9
Rand Paul is a RACIST TEA PARTY THUG who doesn't know anything but HATE usGovOwesUs3Trillion Aug 2013 #10
How do you know when a republican is lying? B Calm Aug 2013 #13
Of course the flip side of that... Nine Aug 2013 #15
The problem is not their feigned ignorance, it's the apathy of the press DainBramaged Aug 2013 #16
Obama-care will work and the deficit is falling Botany Aug 2013 #19
I suspect Krugman is knowingly giving Paul and Cantor the benefit of the doubt rlegro Aug 2013 #22
They could just be dullards Trekologer Aug 2013 #26
It is really getting to the point that Republicans are saying things that are so divorced from.... Taitertots Aug 2013 #24
When you are talking to the Paul constituency .... well, lets just say MindMover Aug 2013 #25
Some of those people are bright. I know some. But they are dramatically deluded, mostly bluestate10 Aug 2013 #28
The republican base doesn't look for facts. Republican voters prefer to hear hot words, regardless bluestate10 Aug 2013 #27
Politifact Would Give Paul A Half True DallasNE Aug 2013 #30
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