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10. Then I guess we've got to get busy here with some of those things...but that doesn't negate the need

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Sun Aug 18, 2013, 12:08 PM

Aug 2013

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for more sensible gun safety laws. We greatly reduced drunk driving laws and people said that couldn't be done either...

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A sincere wish for our DU gun owners: visit Norway! [View all] CTyankee Aug 2013 OP

k&r Little Star Aug 2013 #1

I wish young people, all young people, could travel abroad to see how others live. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #2

A trip to Nassau pipoman Aug 2013 #5

Oh, I think it would. For kids and adults. I can see U.S. gun clubs organizing trips to visit gun CTyankee Aug 2013 #17

That's not a bad idea. They do have clubs and hunting outfitters. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #36

and that's too bad, as I pointed out in the OP. CTyankee Aug 2013 #39

I would prefer that the trips be for those at the lower end of the socioeconomic spectrum. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #45

I know that's asking a lot, but it would be a good thing...broadens perspectives for kids who might CTyankee Aug 2013 #46

I'm trying Jamaal510 Aug 2013 #90

k&r Paladin Aug 2013 #3

Obviously gun laws and availability pipoman Aug 2013 #4

I agree that we need more work on social issues, but we can walk and chew gum at the CTyankee Aug 2013 #9

Respectfully, a lot of "gun-lovers" are suspicious of "for starters"... Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #20

well, how about "gun enthusiast" which is like a "sports enthusiast"? CTyankee Aug 2013 #27

Actually, "gun enthusiast" is acceptable. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #49

I like and favor your last suggestion. I would compare it with the public education done around CTyankee Aug 2013 #53

It is usually encumbent on a law's supporters not to leave everyone in suspense. Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #82

I don't disagree about BG checks and have stated that repeatedly long before pipoman Aug 2013 #81

On Norway KT2000 Aug 2013 #6

They actually seem to view the oil resources of their country... Schema Thing Aug 2013 #8

And so...what? What's the link between their wealth and our lack of adequate gun safety laws? CTyankee Aug 2013 #11

Well, it may not be a direct link, but attitude is everything... Schema Thing Aug 2013 #14

sorry to hear you don't like my attitude... CTyankee Aug 2013 #16

Someone asks you a reasonable question and you tell them their attitude sucks? Squinch Aug 2013 #55

Then I guess we've got to get busy here with some of those things...but that doesn't negate the need CTyankee Aug 2013 #10

we do need gun safety laws KT2000 Aug 2013 #26

Well, how did we greatly curtail drunk driving? CTyankee Aug 2013 #28

It's sketchy at best to compare a country of 5 million to one of 300 million.... cigsandcoffee Aug 2013 #7

Lawlessness is a problem, so get rid of, or do not pass, laws to help mitigate the problem? CTyankee Aug 2013 #12

What you missed is that comparing the US to Norway is a bit silly. cigsandcoffee Aug 2013 #13

I never said we should "legislate ourselves into Norway." You missed my point. I said there are CTyankee Aug 2013 #15

Respectfully, then what exactly is your point? branford Aug 2013 #22

Again, I favor encouragement of learning different ways to solve our gun problems in this country. CTyankee Aug 2013 #42

I had a wonderful time in Norway hack89 Aug 2013 #18

Yes, it would help, but did you notice that the Norwegians don't JUST have those great networks? CTyankee Aug 2013 #19

Two different countries two radically different societies hack89 Aug 2013 #21

+1. America and Norway are like comparing apples and oranges. n/t branford Aug 2013 #23

Everything looks the same through the "guns are evil" prism. nt hack89 Aug 2013 #24

we're alike in many important ways: a middle class, representational government, freedom loving, CTyankee Aug 2013 #33

The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. branford Aug 2013 #34

we don't need to minimize or ignore them. We DO need to recognize where we CAN pay attention and CTyankee Aug 2013 #37

To be clear, what do you define as the "problem?" branford Aug 2013 #43

I favored the recent gun safety bill that failed in our Congress. I thought that was reasonable. CTyankee Aug 2013 #44

We agree about universal background checks, but my prior question remains. branford Aug 2013 #50

The "larger issues" to which you refer is the 800 lb. gorilla IMO. To wit, how did we allow the CTyankee Aug 2013 #54

Respectfully, I thought our discussion was about gun policy, not a missive about the radical right? branford Aug 2013 #63

I'm not a constitutional law expert at all, but I think the SCOTUS was in serious error with its CTyankee Aug 2013 #66

by all means, let's improve access to mental health care! CTyankee Aug 2013 #48

To summerize (based on Wikipedia's link) NickB79 Aug 2013 #25

so we could start with several of these I'm fine with. CTyankee Aug 2013 #31

With the exception of the concealed carry prohibition... Lizzie Poppet Aug 2013 #57

Some of these will never be acceptable. NutmegYankee Aug 2013 #60

America's problem isn't guns. It's GUN CULTURE. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #29

Your generalizations and stereotypes of gun owners is, quite frankly, offensive. branford Aug 2013 #40

Not every gun owner buys into the gun culture Scootaloo Aug 2013 #83

The biggest (not the only) is repeat-felons Eleanors38 Aug 2013 #51

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that post mean you're a culture warrior? friendly_iconoclast Aug 2013 #52

I think there are harebrained aspects of overall American culture we'd be better off without Scootaloo Aug 2013 #84

No, it isn't the "gun culture"- in fact the exact opposite Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #71

Go back and read my post, please Scootaloo Aug 2013 #86

What you described is not "gun culture" Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #88

It is, and you're wrong Scootaloo Aug 2013 #89

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #30

you're welcome. CTyankee Aug 2013 #38

Americans traveling abroad are a large contributor to our fondness for guns... rrneck Aug 2013 #32

oh good lord rrneck. You know full well I study historical roots of cultural developemt. CTyankee Aug 2013 #35

Okay... rrneck Aug 2013 #68

I see that my post upset you and for that I am sorry. CTyankee Aug 2013 #73

The Finns held off the Soviet Red Army as well denbot Aug 2013 #41

The European continenet went through utter madness and hell in WW2 and at the end of CTyankee Aug 2013 #47

I could accept quite a few of Norwegian restrictions on fire arms. sarisataka Aug 2013 #56

How much alcohol is 20 milligrams of alcohol per 100 millitre of blood? CTyankee Aug 2013 #58

In US terms sarisataka Aug 2013 #59

Wow. Don't the Norwegians drink really strong liquor (akkavit?)? CTyankee Aug 2013 #61

Yes, that was a concern when the law was passed sarisataka Aug 2013 #62

Is .02 the legal limit in most states? CTyankee Aug 2013 #64

All states are the same now sarisataka Aug 2013 #65

wow. thanks. CTyankee Aug 2013 #67

Norway's a great country, with a population of just under 5 million Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #69

Of course, it is cultural. As you said, Norwegians are very law-abiding. CTyankee Aug 2013 #70

I would be very careful of attributing gun ownership and support primarily to the right wing. branford Aug 2013 #72

Hard as it is for you to believe or accept, the Heller decision was part of the radical right's CTyankee Aug 2013 #75

"Support gun rights" certainly means different things for different people. branford Aug 2013 #80

It is surely not coming as a surprise to you that not everyone feels the same way you do CTyankee Aug 2013 #87

Compared to US laws- a gun owner in Norway is less restricted than the US in many ways Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #74

Good! So you favor Norway's laws! Why don't we have them? CTyankee Aug 2013 #77

I would have no problem with most Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #78

Of course, gun safety advocates wouldn't leap immediately for your proposed "offer." CTyankee Aug 2013 #85

So you don't want Norway has, but a composite of the most restrictive parts of US and Norwegian law Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #91

I think mandatory training is already being proposed by the governor of IL as part of a package of CTyankee Aug 2013 #93

Like I said, lets make it happen Lee-Lee Aug 2013 #94

If it looks like legislation is deisgned to help line the pockets of the NRA, I say find another way CTyankee Aug 2013 #95

Because some of Norway's laws would NEVER be acceptable here. MicaelS Aug 2013 #92

I'm good with the 4th amendment. AS for "outmoded," I guess I have to ask you why you think CTyankee Aug 2013 #96

Central to the point of my OP was the seeming dichotomy of a nation that had actually had, CTyankee Aug 2013 #97

I Prefer Japan otohara Aug 2013 #76

I would love to visit Norway! (And have no problem with their gun laws) REP Aug 2013 #79