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Demo_Chris

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16. This would assume there is something there to blackmail him with...right?

Sun Aug 18, 2013, 06:54 PM

Aug 2013

Does that make it better or worse? And more, even were this true, we have soldiers who risked their lives for a Constitution in Iraq while (if this were true) we have a President who won't risk political embarassment for the Constitution he swore to defend.

In other words, hardly a defense. It really is in the realm of "I had to help Dennis rob the liquor store, if I didn't he said he would tell on me for looking at internet porn!"

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The President should separate himself from this NSA debate. [View all] kentuck Aug 2013 OP

wait....what? FirstLight Aug 2013 #1

You are assuming he did know? kentuck Aug 2013 #3

If he did not know, he needs to step outside of the presidential bubble 1awake Aug 2013 #6

Sen. Wyden has been troubled by a lot of the things he knows, LuvNewcastle Aug 2013 #8

Because it's his JOB to know, and it was in the oath he swore... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #9

Or the opposite where he orders a complete review and then stops the parts with obvious problems. dkf Aug 2013 #2

You're assuming that the NSA and the Cheney goons still in place haven't put the screws HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #4

True. kentuck Aug 2013 #7

Reagan issued a mea culpa along those lines during Iran-Contra which kept him from HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #10

Uh, POTUS is head of executive branch. HooptieWagon Aug 2013 #19

How could they? He has a MICROPHONE. He has the US Marshals that work for him.... Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #11

I grant you it smacks of conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories. And I am HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #12

This would assume there is something there to blackmail him with...right? Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #16

We are all guilty of something, even if we all should not go to prison. I read that HardTimes99 Aug 2013 #21

I'm sure you understand my point none the less. nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #23

and Gen. Alexander NSA chief has his own military... grasswire Aug 2013 #15

Good grief. If Obama grabbed a Microphone and said his name the guy would be behind bars in an hour. Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #18

bottom line: we are nearly in a constitutional crisis. grasswire Aug 2013 #20

I think we can safely leave out the word "nearly." nt Demo_Chris Aug 2013 #22

sigh..... nt grasswire Aug 2013 #25

It would be a good move to detach himself from the house of cards that is rapidly collapsing quinnox Aug 2013 #5

Separate himself? no, I think the President should continue oversight & be involved in any discovery Sunlei Aug 2013 #13

What you say is the "Old Way." KoKo Aug 2013 #14

we are beyond our own imaginations at this point grasswire Aug 2013 #17

Separate himself? His office makes him part of the debate. PSPS Aug 2013 #24

Are you saying if the president needs to separate himself from then NSA debate if does Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #26

I don't think that is what I am saying? kentuck Aug 2013 #27

I dont think the president is ever going to give enough information which is going to stop Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #28

It is not legally possible to get one warrant for one million people. kentuck Aug 2013 #29

To whom or what do you think the phobe call records belong? Perhaps you missed when I said the Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #30

I think we disagree? kentuck Aug 2013 #31

You are very wrong here, you purchase gas from a pump but you do not own the pump or station, Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #33

More accurately... kentuck Aug 2013 #40

You are right, you possess the card just as you own the device you communicate with but you do not Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #42

Because you entrusted them with that information for the service they provide... kentuck Aug 2013 #43

I think I stated a warrant was required to obtain the information on credit cards, etc. A warrant is Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #44

I guess we disagree. kentuck Aug 2013 #45

The records of their employees belong to the companies. bemildred Aug 2013 #32

It is true the employee records belongs to the employer even though the records are about the Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #36

I'm tired. So I'm not going to "argue". Truth is I think that's a tricky question. bemildred Aug 2013 #37

I am not here to argue, if you have ever watched some of the Dateline programs on murders and the Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #38

I don't watch TV much, and then only movies. bemildred Aug 2013 #39

I get your point you think the records are your property but I dont even think Bush or Thinkingabout Aug 2013 #41

No, I meant what I said, I think it's unclear, and we paper it over with hand waving and graft now. bemildred Aug 2013 #46

After he signed, twice, the Constitution-shattering NDAA section 1021 Fire Walk With Me Aug 2013 #34

I'd love to see him have a debate with the ACLU, Amnesty International, and Daniel Ellsberg. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #35