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In reply to the discussion: The President should separate himself from this NSA debate. [View all]Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)33. You are very wrong here, you purchase gas from a pump but you do not own the pump or station,
Just as you purchase services from communication companies. You are right, the Fourth amendment still stands and even if there are modifications to the FISA the amendment will still stand. Do you collect your phone call records, no, they are collected by the companies to which you purchase usage. It is like flying on a commercial flight, you don't buy the plane.
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Or the opposite where he orders a complete review and then stops the parts with obvious problems.
dkf
Aug 2013
#2
You're assuming that the NSA and the Cheney goons still in place haven't put the screws
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#4
Reagan issued a mea culpa along those lines during Iran-Contra which kept him from
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#10
How could they? He has a MICROPHONE. He has the US Marshals that work for him....
Demo_Chris
Aug 2013
#11
I grant you it smacks of conspiracy theory to end all conspiracy theories. And I am
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#12
We are all guilty of something, even if we all should not go to prison. I read that
HardTimes99
Aug 2013
#21
Good grief. If Obama grabbed a Microphone and said his name the guy would be behind bars in an hour.
Demo_Chris
Aug 2013
#18
It would be a good move to detach himself from the house of cards that is rapidly collapsing
quinnox
Aug 2013
#5
Separate himself? no, I think the President should continue oversight & be involved in any discovery
Sunlei
Aug 2013
#13
Are you saying if the president needs to separate himself from then NSA debate if does
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#26
I dont think the president is ever going to give enough information which is going to stop
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#28
To whom or what do you think the phobe call records belong? Perhaps you missed when I said the
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#30
You are very wrong here, you purchase gas from a pump but you do not own the pump or station,
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#33
You are right, you possess the card just as you own the device you communicate with but you do not
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#42
Because you entrusted them with that information for the service they provide...
kentuck
Aug 2013
#43
I think I stated a warrant was required to obtain the information on credit cards, etc. A warrant is
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#44
It is true the employee records belongs to the employer even though the records are about the
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#36
I'm tired. So I'm not going to "argue". Truth is I think that's a tricky question.
bemildred
Aug 2013
#37
I am not here to argue, if you have ever watched some of the Dateline programs on murders and the
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#38
I get your point you think the records are your property but I dont even think Bush or
Thinkingabout
Aug 2013
#41
No, I meant what I said, I think it's unclear, and we paper it over with hand waving and graft now.
bemildred
Aug 2013
#46
After he signed, twice, the Constitution-shattering NDAA section 1021
Fire Walk With Me
Aug 2013
#34
I'd love to see him have a debate with the ACLU, Amnesty International, and Daniel Ellsberg.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Aug 2013
#35