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jtuck004

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64. "No one likes war" < Untrue. Leaving that aside, however, fuck the int'l
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 10:25 PM
Aug 2013

Last edited Thu Aug 29, 2013, 12:35 AM - Edit history (1)

community. Our President just said he would "go it alone". Sounds like we don't care if there is a consensus to go bomb another's children or not. (Having lived through several of these wars, despite the so-called best intentions, that is ALWAYS what happens). Sounds more like we have taken the position that it's just fine if we want to do it because, today, anyway, we think we are bigger than everyone else.

You want to know what the most dangerous war is? The one that didn't need to be fought, the one that didn't fix a fucking thing, that did nothing but create tragedy and future enemies. In other words, the ones we have started for the past several years. There is every possibility that this will not fix anything, and would thus be pointless. And it might not end with us just dropping a few missiles on some hapless country, which makes it, tactically, a very stupid thing to do.

We lost our moral authority a long time ago. Much of the world won't see this as any kind of deterrent whatsoever, just more killing by the idiots in the U.S. who can't even get their own country in order. And worse, since we can't predict the outcome, we should probably hope that the Israeli strike against the new, and more sophisticated, Russian weapons in Syria a couple weeks ago got them all, else this just might blow up in someone else's face.







So who should be responsible for violations of international norms of this nature? Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #1
I believe that is what the U.N. was founded to do n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #3
The UN has no military or police powers. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #5
You just reinforced his point TomClash Aug 2013 #6
+1 whatchamacallit Aug 2013 #18
Then there never would be treestar Aug 2013 #21
UNSC has adopted 30 resolutions in 2013 TomClash Aug 2013 #27
"The Russians and Chinese want to be superpowers" - I don't think so. ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #40
They would be all over the globe if they could treestar Aug 2013 #56
We are allowed under the UN Charter to intervene. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #30
What?? TomClash Aug 2013 #45
by using the underpants gnome strategy.. frylock Aug 2013 #47
There goes that unfounded and untrue meme about invasion. We are not invading. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #49
Straw man TomClash Aug 2013 #52
How about an Act of War? atreides1 Aug 2013 #53
Plus 100 AsahinaKimi Aug 2013 #31
I'm pretty sure this would violate most international norms...who, then watches the watchers? jtuck004 Aug 2013 #11
No it does not treestar Aug 2013 #22
Drone strikes are only considered an act of war by the Europeans on this side. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #36
Um, no, that is not the issue treestar Aug 2013 #57
"No one likes war" < Untrue. Leaving that aside, however, fuck the int'l jtuck004 Aug 2013 #64
You seem to think drones are an illegal weapon. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #33
al-Assad, is that you? Rationalizing for killing children and their families? Legal vs jtuck004 Aug 2013 #35
And he follows with an Ad Hominem attack. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #38
Oh, I think there are times to use violence. I just don't think this is one of them. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #44
I support what international norms and laws in the use of war we have. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #46
Last resort my ass. We could act like adults, it's just that the weak-knees among us aren't strong jtuck004 Aug 2013 #51
You obviously did not read the memo ConcernedCanuk Aug 2013 #41
Crap. That's what happens when you get old. I keep falling asleep at the keyboard. jtuck004 Aug 2013 #43
Someone frustrated_lefty Aug 2013 #20
So it is OK to act immorally because we, as a nation, failed to live up to our own ideals Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #39
include the UK and France in that also JI7 Aug 2013 #2
True that . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #4
No, it's actually just another manifestation Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #7
Hey, if that's what you need to tell yourself . . . n/t markpkessinger Aug 2013 #8
There is that which one needs to tell oneself Summer Hathaway Aug 2013 #10
I have supported the President on issues I have agreed with him on . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #14
Do not be naive that DU in general cares about Syria's innocents. joshcryer Aug 2013 #9
I am not naive about DU's sympathy towards Syrian innocents azurnoir Aug 2013 #12
Well said. nt NealK Aug 2013 #16
People care about a dictator crossing the line into using chemical weapons treestar Aug 2013 #24
Dictators are not the only ones who use the most heinous weapons of war TomClash Aug 2013 #50
Are those the subject of any treaties or conventions? treestar Aug 2013 #54
Actually yes TomClash Aug 2013 #63
+1 treestar Aug 2013 #23
More projection? JoeyT Aug 2013 #26
or to quote Ed Snowden, truedelphi Aug 2013 #13
Ah just let'em die davidpdx Aug 2013 #15
And where is the concern . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #17
There is concern about that treestar Aug 2013 #25
Another purveyor of the "gas is different" rationalization . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #42
It's the potential danger treestar Aug 2013 #55
You are right, similar atrocities are happening other places davidpdx Aug 2013 #28
Much like precision bombing, its important to get with precision outrage bobduca Aug 2013 #32
Who was the moral arbiters who supplied Syria with poison gas? B Calm Aug 2013 #19
Syria. jeff47 Aug 2013 #29
They make it themselves. Agnosticsherbet Aug 2013 #34
Unfortunately, there are things that only the US or a few other nations can do. BlueCheese Aug 2013 #37
Our status as "moral arbiters" evaporated in Vietnam and all the other places we "helped". Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2013 #48
Sorry objecting to the killing of children and civilians is not a manifestation of Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #58
It is when we are simultaneously ignoring the collateral deaths of women and children ... markpkessinger Aug 2013 #59
So because we do it that makes it ok for another country to gas civilians Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #60
I never said it was "ok" . . . markpkessinger Aug 2013 #61
I agree it is a fools errand but I think people should be morally outrages and the death of civilian Arcanetrance Aug 2013 #62
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