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MisterP

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62. I've never employed that quote. what do I do?!!!! what could happen?

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Thu Aug 29, 2013, 03:34 AM

Aug 2013

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'sides, it's not like the white coats can't be bought off or anti-intellectual, or that experts are magical--there's even a SF book about expert ignorance called The End of Eternity, but I can't quite recall the author...

wait--this OP is ripped off from Dinosaur Comics!

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Your Ignorance is not as Good; Or, You Don't Know Fuck-All About Syria [View all] alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 OP

Absolutely! George W. Bush was a fucking guru! delrem Aug 2013 #1

The Bushies problem was just the same: they thought they knew more alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #4

What if they answer yes on 1, 2, and get a job through PNAC. delrem Aug 2013 #20

I have a very good friend who worked at the DOE and DOD as JoePhilly Aug 2013 #105

So what you're saying is that some of these RW Neocons that advanced under Bush bullwinkle428 Aug 2013 #111

Except that the GOP polticos no longer run the show. JoePhilly Aug 2013 #115

more than a few similarities Supersedeas Aug 2013 #124

This Will Not Be Popular, Sir, But It Needed Saying The Magistrate Aug 2013 #2

Meh...the ones who don't already have me on ignore will now alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #45

That the op is true, doesn't make it relevant to discussions here cali Aug 2013 #81

Has that person on the Syria desk ever been to war? I have. Scuba Aug 2013 #86

The Secretary of State has been to war karynnj Aug 2013 #108

Aha, but are our thoughts imprisoned by the same paradigms? NoOneMan Aug 2013 #3

There's certainly a case to be made for occupational psychosis alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #10

You can rely on whatever you want NoOneMan Aug 2013 #33

2003 Flashback: Your Ignorance is not as Good; Or, You Don't Know Fuck-All About Iraq David__77 Aug 2013 #5

Experts on Iraq scoffed at neo-con plans alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #15

The people who spoke were outsiders. joshcryer Aug 2013 #21

Good points, all. nt silvershadow Aug 2013 #71

Richard Clarke was NOT an outsider. Nor was Joe Wilson. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #120

Clarke's name was dragged under the mud and Wilson's wife was outed. joshcryer Aug 2013 #134

lol. your hypocrisy is delightful. cali Aug 2013 #95

All i need to know is violence begets violence. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #6

That claim is not a universal truth. There are plenty of examples in history... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #9

there are very few truly universal truths. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #12

Then maybe instead of trying to pop off one liners you should explain that... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #17

Why the one liner? PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #24

First off, they aren't YOUR employees. They are employees of the state. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #27

We are the state. They are our employees. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #34

No, you are member of the electorate. You are a citizen. You are not the state. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #37

You are wrong. PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #44

The state encompasses public institutions. The public does not constitute the state... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #49

Why do schools no longer teach civics? 6000eliot Aug 2013 #131

Which school doesn't teach civics? Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #132

I'm not sure, but your explanation was pretty straightforward, but so many people don't get it. 6000eliot Aug 2013 #133

It's the right-wing libertarians who are creating the most issues... Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Aug 2013 #41

When will this peace start? 'Cause I am fairly sure I have not experienced much of it, jtuck004 Aug 2013 #72

The guy working the middle east desk says your wrong. Brewinblue Aug 2013 #19

That's all they've been saying Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #51

Yeah, that may be so. Brewinblue Aug 2013 #58

Presto! Art_from_Ark Aug 2013 #78

Oh, neat. Callouts. Union Scribe Aug 2013 #7

"Why wouldn't you then submit to their superior knowledge?" - Cognitive dissonance Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Aug 2013 #28

Wikipedia knows more than the State Department does. joshcryer Aug 2013 #8

It's not a matter of wrong predictions. The Iraq WMD evidence was fabricated. Gravitycollapse Aug 2013 #13

That's what I said. joshcryer Aug 2013 #16

I guess that is why high school teachers across the country warn students not karynnj Aug 2013 #113

I have to agree with you. Laelth Aug 2013 #14

Indeed alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #18

We need Manning in State RobertEarl Aug 2013 #42

In an ideal world, we elect people to lead who know much more than we do bhikkhu Aug 2013 #22

And Colin Powell was in a better position to know about Iraq LittleBlue Aug 2013 #23

There's always a danger of that, to be sure alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #25

Of course LittleBlue Aug 2013 #32

and thise facts are impossible to get Niceguy1 Aug 2013 #130

Gulf of Tonkin, Iraqi troops throwing babies from incubators, WMDs deutsey Aug 2013 #103

You are arguing credentials, not knowledge. Waiting For Everyman Aug 2013 #26

You're correct on the second part alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #29

Ignorance ???? SamKnause Aug 2013 #30

The person who works the middle least desk at the state department knew more about Iraq in 2002. Smarmie Doofus Aug 2013 #31

Actually, State Dept did NOT want to invade Iraq, they were complying blm Aug 2013 #107

So, let's turn it on to them Link Speed Aug 2013 #35

If intelligence and analysis drove policy there would be a lot of value to that point. Douglas Carpenter Aug 2013 #36

Point taken alcibiades_mystery Aug 2013 #38

I know a smattering of Arabic... free0352 Aug 2013 #39

welcome to DU. Jesus Malverde Aug 2013 #77

Thanks for the logic flamingdem Nov 2015 #138

Those people are only as good as who they side with. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #40

What more do we need to know to realize its a bad idea to get involved? dkf Aug 2013 #43

I know nothing compared to many. SleeplessinSoCal Aug 2013 #46

Those "experts" are our employes, who ostensibly work for us, and have yet to demonstrate that... JVS Aug 2013 #47

With all the respect due to your post: Fuck your CIA. JackRiddler Aug 2013 #48

^^^ THIS POST ^^^ Rumold Aug 2013 #55

Well, that about sums it up. /thread Scootaloo Aug 2013 #64

+100000000000. Erose999 Aug 2013 #65

Well said! grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #69

Awesome. Thanks. redgreenandblue Aug 2013 #74

Best smackdown I've read in a while... Junkdrawer Aug 2013 #85

What Jack said! Octafish Sep 2015 #137

your right nvme Aug 2013 #50

his right what? n/t PowerToThePeople Aug 2013 #52

The fact that powerful people are more informed in their affairs than us in general... ocpagu Aug 2013 #53

I think it's more a question of motive than ignorance/knowledge. cui bono Aug 2013 #54

My Ignorance is pretty good; mostly ignored by the mainstream media polynomial Aug 2013 #56

I think most of the career state department people were against Iraq johnd83 Aug 2013 #57

The problem is that there are people who know more than me on both sides of most issues. Donald Ian Rankin Aug 2013 #59

I agree completely with the State Department statement: Downwinder Aug 2013 #60

Here's the problem: Maedhros Aug 2013 #61

Bravo! nt Pholus Aug 2013 #83

I've never employed that quote. what do I do?!!!! what could happen? MisterP Aug 2013 #62

Having knowledge is different from applying knowledge Scootaloo Aug 2013 #63

I listen to the experts. CJCRANE Aug 2013 #66

Ah, the old appeal to authority. Ash_F Aug 2013 #67

Ironic, neh? Maedhros Aug 2013 #118

LOL. I know the state dept person is corrupt and profits from war and death. Full stop. grahamhgreen Aug 2013 #68

so, your position is.... dtom67 Aug 2013 #70

I have yet to even understand what is meant by "intervention"... Humanist_Activist Aug 2013 #73

Experts with a conflict of interest are not experts. They are hacks. redgreenandblue Aug 2013 #75

This has already been covered LostOne4Ever Aug 2013 #76

That's true but so what? Those folks aren't posting here cali Aug 2013 #79

You mean that the fucktards who insisted there were WMD in Iraq knew more than I? eridani Aug 2013 #80

In a democracy, it is your experts' jobs to make the case... Pholus Aug 2013 #82

The people who know more also lie more. nt ZombieHorde Aug 2013 #84

Sure they do. But they are proven liars. n/t n2doc Aug 2013 #87

you have a point.. sendero Aug 2013 #88

I think it's relevant. ucrdem Aug 2013 #90

A well made point, but sadly I must also agree ucrdem Aug 2013 #89

Yeah sure they do but are they telling you the truth or are they trying to manipulate you? Ganja Ninja Aug 2013 #91

Or at least listen to them treestar Aug 2013 #92

There's a huge difference in Asimov's quote and the state department. JoeyT Aug 2013 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author myrna minx Aug 2013 #94

"people who do this sort of thing for a living"... truth2power Aug 2013 #96

I don't have to know Fuck-All about Syria. LWolf Aug 2013 #97

No doubt they know more. BUt, that is no reason to trust them to do the right thing or morningfog Aug 2013 #98

Having more facts doesn't always lead folks to the right conclusions - TBF Aug 2013 #99

..... catnhatnh Aug 2013 #100

Loved the call out, honeypie. Not. cali Aug 2013 #101

Very good post. Just Saying Aug 2013 #102

Yes, those who say they don't believe anything Cha Aug 2013 #123

Ahmed Chalabi. Enough said. idwiyo Aug 2013 #104

I am conflicted about the Syria thing, but fully agree with this post distantearlywarning Aug 2013 #106

Knowledge is not wisdom. mainer Aug 2013 #109

The quintessential authoritarian post. woo me with science Aug 2013 #110

How could you NOT trust a guy named "Curveball"? bullwinkle428 Aug 2013 #112

I'll bet Robert McNamara knew a lot more about Vietnam than MLK did, too. dawg Aug 2013 #114

60 years of history and failed military interventions in the Middle East bvar22 Aug 2013 #116

You don't have to be a plumber to know a toilet is blocked... uriel1972 Aug 2013 #117

So Middle East geopolitics are as simple as a blocked toilet? Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #119

Alas no, uriel1972 Aug 2013 #121

Yes it would. nt Dreamer Tatum Aug 2013 #122

personally noiretextatique Aug 2013 #125

Was this the same dude sitting at the Iraqi WMD desk a decade ago? Glassunion Aug 2013 #126

What about all the experts in all the other countries? Yo_Mama Aug 2013 #127

nice try at reasoning, but i am not surprised by the responses you're getting. nt dionysus Aug 2013 #128

Some would call that an hypothesis MNBrewer Aug 2013 #129

Valid point frustrated_lefty Aug 2013 #136