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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
3. Absolutely peace first. When we're the strongest nation in history...
Wed Sep 4, 2013, 04:56 PM
Sep 2013

...we already call the shots, so it should be a given.

What bothers me, though, is the warmongering. Always the warmongering...



MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD

SUBJECT: White House Staff Meeting, 5 August 1964

EXCERPT...

Some one asked what would happen if the ChiComs brought
their air power on the DRV. Bundy cautiously said that our people
thought we could handle them. He then looked at me and said,
"General LeMay doesn't think in terms of teh enemy, does he? He
assumes they won't be there." I made some response to the effect
that General LeMay assumes some of his people wil take care of the
enemy for him; he doesn't have to worry too much about that. All
this was said in good humor, and the matter dropped.

[font color="blue"]Referring to the President's meeting with Congressional
"leadership" yesterday, Bundy commented that "leadership" was a
funny word in this case, in that there was little Congressmen could
do in the way of leading in a situation in which the President's role
was so primary.
[/font color]

SOURCE: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB132/tonkin.pdf



War first is how the warmongers see things, the War Party, the BFEE. Contrast with JFK:

Even though they knew their invasion plans were compromised, the CIA and Pentagon tried to force Kennedy to make war over the Bay of Pigs.

While an attack on Soviet missile bases in Cuba and on ships at sea would escalate to nuclear war, the Pentagon and most of the Cabinet tried to force Kennedy to make war, nuclear if necessary -- the Cuban Missile Crisis.

The Pentagon and the Hawks in Congress and his Cabinet recommended war in Vietnam and southeast Asia to stop the spread of Communism, Kennedy sent volunteers -- which he ordered out by the end of 1964 -- but said he would never commit U.S. draftees to fight in another country's civil war, Vietnam.

Most troublesome to me, seeing how the Hawks lied America into invading Iraq twice in the last 22 years, DCI Allen Dulles and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Lyman Lemnitzer counseled Kennedy to order an all-out nuclear attack on the Soviet Union in Fall of 1963 -- the optimal time for a successful pre-emptive war.

Of course, we all know what happened next.

PS: I know you know all this, Mnemosyne. Sorry to get all didactic, my Friend. You know, old habits...

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It always should be peace first, Octafish. Always. nt Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #1
Absolutely peace first. When we're the strongest nation in history... Octafish Sep 2013 #3
I absolutely love it when you "get all didactic"! It spreads knowledge every time. Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #20
Warfuckingmongers malaise Sep 2013 #26
JFK upon hearing news his friend Lumumba had been assassinated... Octafish Sep 2013 #27
Any smart rational person already knows that the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident Drale Sep 2013 #2
I'd bet you're in the minority. Octafish Sep 2013 #4
I am one teacher who brings this up in class. iemitsu Sep 2013 #19
I think many knew it was a lie. malthaussen Sep 2013 #28
Yes, that's why it was called an "illegal war" from the get go. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #6
As a loyal American, I must point out how you consistently "forget" truedelphi Sep 2013 #5
NSA boss has got more power than any one person has held in US history... Octafish Sep 2013 #8
Much of that is not old stuff for me. Thanks for all the info - truedelphi Sep 2013 #9
God forbid the NSA is 'uncomfortable' felix_numinous Sep 2013 #7
Are you Robert McKee? Octafish Sep 2013 #21
No, thank you though felix_numinous Sep 2013 #25
Goddamn I thought this was pro-war satire at first. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #10
I thought it was an Onion article. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #12
Wink...wink...wink Supersedeas Sep 2013 #31
I thought this might have been the Onion.. awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #11
BFEE script plays Groundhog Day without the happy ending. Octafish Sep 2013 #22
Savak was trained felix_numinous Sep 2013 #29
"Analysts Made 'SIGINT fit the claim'" sounds a lot like: johnnyreb Sep 2013 #13
Lock Them Up. Octafish Sep 2013 #32
K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #14
Media, Propaganda and Vietnam Octafish Sep 2013 #33
As it fucking should gopiscrap Sep 2013 #15
I have been corrected here on DU for stating WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #18
Nixon pulled a Bush on Eisenhower... Octafish Sep 2013 #35
Trust me I have pictures of me as a 7 year old gopiscrap Sep 2013 #38
From John Pilger... Octafish Sep 2013 #34
Hey no problem, my honor gopiscrap Sep 2013 #37
Nixon was ''supposed'' to succeed Eisenhower and Vietnam... Octafish Sep 2013 #39
Interesting how the NSA is central to suffragette Sep 2013 #16
Secret Government is un-American Octafish Sep 2013 #30
Yes, those who control the secrets get their way suffragette Sep 2013 #42
I could write a book coldbeer Sep 2013 #17
More from John Pilger... Octafish Sep 2013 #36
I find it interesting that they called it "shoe" Aerows Sep 2013 #41
From Senator Leahy's speech against the IWR on the eve of the vote: cali Sep 2013 #23
Thank you, cali! Here's another voice we sorely miss today... Octafish Sep 2013 #40
The NSA's Panopticon society Ichingcarpenter Sep 2013 #24
K&R + more truth to fuel those "uncomfortable comparisons" bobthedrummer Sep 2013 #43
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