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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
30. Secret Government is un-American
Thu Sep 5, 2013, 06:10 PM
Sep 2013

Yet, those who control the secrets seem to get to have their way on matters of war and peace more often than not.



Peter Lisagor: Senator, the Constitution gives to the President of the United States the sole responsibility for the conduct of foreign policy...

Wayne Morse: ...couldn't be more wrong, you couldn't make a more unsound legal statement than the one you have just made...

Norman Solomon: Morse was only one of two Senators, the other was Ernest Gruening of Alaska, to vote against the Tonkin resolution. It was kind of an invitation to stand up and salute the flag, and anybody who refused to do so was attacked as a, was essentially treated as, a pariah, attacked as somebody who lacked requisite patriotism and military resolve...

Phillip Babich: Thirty-five years ago, the Gulf of Tonkin incident led, days later, to Congressional passage of the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, which gave President Lyndon Johnson backing to launch military strikes against North Vietnam. Only two senators dissented. One of them was Oregon Senator Wayne Morse. On this program we take a look at Morse's role in opposing the Vietnam war. We'll also examine what his legacy means today, as the U.S. government continues to plan for wars and work with the mass media to win-over public opinion.

I'm Phillip Babich, your host this week on Making Contact an international radio program seeking to make create connections between people, vital ideas, and important information.

On August 5, 1964, a headline on the front page of the Washington Post declared: "American Planes Hit North Vietnam After Second Attack on Our Destroyers; Move Taken to Halt New Aggression." That same day the front page of the New York Times reported: "President Johnson has ordered retaliatory action against gunboats and certain supporting facilities in North Vietnam after renewed attacks against American destroyers in the Gulf of Tonkin." As it turned out, however, there was no "second attack" or "renewed attacks against American destroyers." But public perception of the events that actually took place in the Gulf of Tonkin was skewed by the mass media, and days later, on August 7, 1964, Congress passed the Gulf of Tonkin resolution.

No official declaration of war was ever made with regard to U.S. military action in Vietnam.

Peter Lisagor: Senator Morse, what do you mean when you call our participation in the South Vietnam war unconstitutional and illegal?

Wayne Morse: Our government has no right to send American boys to their death in any battlefield in the absence of a declaration of war, and Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution vests the prerogative of declaring war in the Congress of the United States. And no war has been declared in Southeast Asia, and until a war is declared, it is unconstitutional to send American boys to their death in South Vietnam, or anywhere else in Southeast Asia. I don't know why we think, just because we're mighty, that we have the right to try to substitute might for right. And that's the American policy in Southeast Asia. It's just as unsound when we do it as when Russia does it.

CONTINUED...

http://www.radioproject.org/transcript/1999/9941.html



Morse began as a Republican, became an Independent when Ike and Nixon got in, and became a Democrat a while later.

FTR: That's how a person who believes in democracy acts and lives.

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It always should be peace first, Octafish. Always. nt Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #1
Absolutely peace first. When we're the strongest nation in history... Octafish Sep 2013 #3
I absolutely love it when you "get all didactic"! It spreads knowledge every time. Mnemosyne Sep 2013 #20
Warfuckingmongers malaise Sep 2013 #26
JFK upon hearing news his friend Lumumba had been assassinated... Octafish Sep 2013 #27
Any smart rational person already knows that the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident Drale Sep 2013 #2
I'd bet you're in the minority. Octafish Sep 2013 #4
I am one teacher who brings this up in class. iemitsu Sep 2013 #19
I think many knew it was a lie. malthaussen Sep 2013 #28
Yes, that's why it was called an "illegal war" from the get go. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #6
As a loyal American, I must point out how you consistently "forget" truedelphi Sep 2013 #5
NSA boss has got more power than any one person has held in US history... Octafish Sep 2013 #8
Much of that is not old stuff for me. Thanks for all the info - truedelphi Sep 2013 #9
God forbid the NSA is 'uncomfortable' felix_numinous Sep 2013 #7
Are you Robert McKee? Octafish Sep 2013 #21
No, thank you though felix_numinous Sep 2013 #25
Goddamn I thought this was pro-war satire at first. AtheistCrusader Sep 2013 #10
I thought it was an Onion article. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #12
Wink...wink...wink Supersedeas Sep 2013 #31
I thought this might have been the Onion.. awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #11
BFEE script plays Groundhog Day without the happy ending. Octafish Sep 2013 #22
Savak was trained felix_numinous Sep 2013 #29
"Analysts Made 'SIGINT fit the claim'" sounds a lot like: johnnyreb Sep 2013 #13
Lock Them Up. Octafish Sep 2013 #32
K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #14
Media, Propaganda and Vietnam Octafish Sep 2013 #33
As it fucking should gopiscrap Sep 2013 #15
I have been corrected here on DU for stating WHEN CRABS ROAR Sep 2013 #18
Nixon pulled a Bush on Eisenhower... Octafish Sep 2013 #35
Trust me I have pictures of me as a 7 year old gopiscrap Sep 2013 #38
From John Pilger... Octafish Sep 2013 #34
Hey no problem, my honor gopiscrap Sep 2013 #37
Nixon was ''supposed'' to succeed Eisenhower and Vietnam... Octafish Sep 2013 #39
Interesting how the NSA is central to suffragette Sep 2013 #16
Secret Government is un-American Octafish Sep 2013 #30
Yes, those who control the secrets get their way suffragette Sep 2013 #42
I could write a book coldbeer Sep 2013 #17
More from John Pilger... Octafish Sep 2013 #36
I find it interesting that they called it "shoe" Aerows Sep 2013 #41
From Senator Leahy's speech against the IWR on the eve of the vote: cali Sep 2013 #23
Thank you, cali! Here's another voice we sorely miss today... Octafish Sep 2013 #40
The NSA's Panopticon society Ichingcarpenter Sep 2013 #24
K&R + more truth to fuel those "uncomfortable comparisons" bobthedrummer Sep 2013 #43
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