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In reply to the discussion: NSA bosses feared releasing Gulf of Tonkin intel would draw ''uncomfortable comparisons'' with Iraq [View all]suffragette
(12,232 posts)42. Yes, those who control the secrets get their way
They control the type and flow of information, whether true or misleading, and can cover up what they wish under the cloak of secrecy by calling it national security interests.
Thanks for the above info about Senator Morse's opposition.
Not enough history is being examined or discussed as being relevant or pertinent to what is going on and what should occur.
I keep thinking back to Maher Arar's rendition by us and Canada and delivery to Syria to be tortured, especially since it shows how recently our nation was ok with collaborating in such a clear human rights violation and how it has avoided responsibilty and accountability by claiming state's secrets. Also to Jane Mayer's excellent article in the New Yorker about rendition and torture.
I think that avoidance of accountability is a strong factor in the current stance that not to bomb is to do 'nothing.' In reality, there are many other options, but some of those are viewed as closed because to open the door to them (international legal process, especially) could also open the door to our own accountability as a nation for illegal and immoral acts such as the above. Instead, both our government and our media strenuously avoid even bringing these up as options since to do so could jeopardize our own nation's decision that these: are state secrets which can't be revealed, are off the table, are in the past.
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NSA bosses feared releasing Gulf of Tonkin intel would draw ''uncomfortable comparisons'' with Iraq [View all]
Octafish
Sep 2013
OP
I absolutely love it when you "get all didactic"! It spreads knowledge every time.
Mnemosyne
Sep 2013
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