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Octafish

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84. Please, write an OP. Meanwhile, the Banksters who destroyed the American middle class...
Sat Sep 14, 2013, 12:20 PM
Sep 2013

... are preparing for what may come next:



The Really Creepy People Behind the Libertarian-Inspired Billionaire Sea Castles

The stinking rich are planning billion-dollar luxury liners that keep the land-based Americans they've plundered at a safe distance.

AlterNet / By Mark Ames
June 1, 2010

What happens when Americans plunder America and leave it broken, destitute and seething mad? Where do these fabulously wealthy Americans go with their loot, if America isn't a safe, secure, or even desirable place to spend their riches? What if they lose faith in their gated communities, because those plush gated communities are surrounded by millions of pissed-off Americans stripped of their entitlements, and who now want in?

The first such floating castle has been christened the " Utopia"--the South Korean firm Samsung has been contracted to build the $1.1 billion ship, due to be launched in 2013. Already orders are coming in to buy one of the Utopia's 200 or so mansions for sale- -which range in price from about $4 million for the smallest condos to over $26 million for 6,600 square-foot "estates." The largest mansion is a whopping 40,000 square feet, and sells for $160 million.

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Both Thiel and Milton Friedman's grandson see democracy as the enemy--last year, Thiel wrote "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible" at about the same time that Milton Friedman's grandson proclaimed, "Democracy is not the answer." Both published their anti-democracy proclamations in the same billionaire-Koch-family-funded outlet, Cato Unbound, one of the oldest billionaire-fed libertarian welfare dispensaries. Friedman's answer for Thiel's democracy problem is to build offshore libertarian pod-fortresses where the libertarian way rules. It's probably better for everyone if Milton Friedman's grandson and Peter Thiel leave us forever for their libertarian ocean lair--Thiel believes that America went down the tubes ever since it gave women the right to vote, and he was outed as the sponsor of accused felon James O'Keefe's smear videos that brought ACORN to ruin.

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While neither Bush nor the Bin Ladens are principals in the Frontier Group, its founding director, Frank Carlucci, is a name they know well, and you should too. Carlucci ran the Carlyle Group as its chairman from 1989 through 2005, right around the time that the wars started going undeniably bad, and floating castles started to look like a viable plan. But Carlucci's past is much weirder and scarier than most of us care to know: whether it's his strangely timed appearances in some of the ugliest assassinations and coups in modern history, or serving as Carter's number two man in the CIA, and Ronald Reagan's Secretary of Defense, if Frank Carlucci (nicknamed "Creepy Carlucci" and "Spooky Frank&quot is the founding director of a firm that's building floating castles, it's a bad sign for those of us left behind.

I'll get into Carlucci's partners in the Frontier Group in a moment, but first, let's reacquaint ourselves with Frank Carlucci. From an early age, Carlucci learned the importance of getting to know the right people in the right places. He studied at Princeton in the mid-1950s, where as luck should have it, Carlucci roomed with Donald Rumsfeld. Both Carlucci and Rumsfeld shared a passion for Greco-Roman wrestling at Princeton, and both went on to serve in the Navy after Princeton. Their paths would split and merge several times over the next few decades, even as they remained close personal friends throughout their lives. In the late 1950s, Carlucci briefly served as an executive at a lingerie manufacturer, Jantzen (the Victoria's Secret of its day), but quickly left to join the State Department.

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http://www.alternet.org/story/147058/the_really_creepy_people_behind_the_libertarian-inspired_billionaire_sea_castles



Frank Carlucci, of Carlyle Group fame, also was instrumental in opening up Africa in the early 1960s.



"Carlucci" bleeped from HBO version of Lumumba

Ex-CIA official threatened lawsuit

By Joanne Laurier
15 March 2002

Home Box Office (HBO), the US cable television network, is currently broadcasting a censored version of Lumumba, the award-winning film about Patrice Lumumba, the first prime minister of independent Congo, assassinated by imperialist agents in January 1961.

Haitian-born director Raoul Peck’s work fictionally reconstructs Lumumba’s coming to power in 1960 and the intrigues which led to his brutal murder. The film shown on HBO is a version of the French-language original dubbed into English, which bleeps out the name of Frank Carlucci, a future deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and secretary of defense, in the dialogue and masks his name in the credits. At the time of Lumumba’s death, Carlucci was the second secretary at the US embassy in the Congo and, covertly, a CIA agent.

This attempt to keep Carlucci’s role in the Congo from television audiences follows the release of US government documents revealing that President Dwight Eisenhower ordered the CIA to murder Lumumba. Minutes of an August 1960 National Security Council meeting confirm that Eisenhower told CIA chief Allen Dulles to “eliminate” the Congolese leader. The official note taker, Robert H. Johnson, testified to this before the Senate Intelligence Committee in 1975, but no documentary evidence had been previously available to back up his claim.

Carlucci’s lawyers threatened Peck and distribution company Zeitgeist Films with legal action if the name of the former US official was not bleeped out of a scene that shows American Ambassador Clare Timberlake and Carlucci, along with Belgian and Congolese officials, plotting Lumumba’s assassination. Carlucci insisted that only the altered version of the film, with his name missing, could be used for mass market venues, such as television, video and DVD, allowing the original track to remain intact for theater showings. Zeitgeist officials said they were too small and weak financially to fight a case in court.

Carlucci is an immensely wealthy individual, with connections at the highest levels of the US government. Deputy chief of the CIA under Jimmy Carter and secretary of defense under Ronald Reagan, Carlucci is now chairman of the Carlyle Group, a private equity investment group with billions of dollars of assets in the defense industry. The company employs prominent ex-officeholders, such as former president George Bush, former British prime minister John Major and former president of the Philippines Fidel Ramos. Carlucci has the closest financial, political and personal ties to the Bush family. Other figures involved in Carlyle Group operations include former secretary of state James Baker, who headed up George W. Bush’s effort to block vote recounts in Florida in 2000 and hijack the presidential election. Carlucci has a long-term political relationship with his former classmate and wrestling buddy from Princeton, the present secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld.

At a January 24 screening of the film in New York held at the Council on Foreign Relations (CRF), publisher of Foreign Affairs magazine, Peck confirmed that the film had been changed in response to Carlucci’s legal threats. Despite considerable media presence at the event, during which Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen, for one, raised a question about Carlucci’s name being removed, virtually nothing has appeared in the mainstream media about the issue.

The WSWS spoke with freelance journalist Lucy Komisar, who attended the screening and wrote an article about Carlucci’s action for the Pacific News Service. She commented: “This is censorship. This is a story that he does not want to talk about. Although he was not in charge , he was involved in what was going on. It is a part of his history. The honorable thing to do would have been to acknowledge that the Americans helped in doing away with a man who could have helped that region—that they supported Mobutu, who for decades led a brutal dictatorship which caused enormous suffering. I think the incident shows the extremes to which people like Carlucci will go to cover up actions they know were wrong—even to censoring a movie.”

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http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/03/carl-m15.html



So, yes. I'm fighting back with information. Otherwise, the only things that will be left are what's not nailed down. And that will be polluted beyond usability.

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Jeff Greene(who ran for Senate in Florida in 2010) put it in politically incorrect terms. Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #1
''Having money is great,'' Greene says. ''It’s fun. The more the better.'' Octafish Sep 2013 #9
The rich Wabbajack_ Sep 2013 #19
I think that's called the Army. FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #49
The police. HooptieWagon Sep 2013 #72
Harder and harder to tell the difference, though. FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #73
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2013 #75
I was steamed also rurallib Sep 2013 #2
The guy's vocal intonations are very condescending. Octafish Sep 2013 #11
Steve Inskeep.. sendero Sep 2013 #70
Everytime I hear "koch foundation" I cringe. nt adirondacker Sep 2013 #29
After 30+ years, I officially quit listening to NPR news for good about a week ago corkhead Sep 2013 #52
If you have a computer you can listen to lefty radio all day rurallib Sep 2013 #66
I stopped listening in the early 1990s, late 1980s. The voice tone told me everything I needed to JDPriestly Sep 2013 #71
DURec leftstreet Sep 2013 #3
Recovery for the Rich, Recession for the Rest Octafish Sep 2013 #40
"I remember when Democrats actually used government to level the playing field ... CrispyQ Sep 2013 #43
The social chasm in America Octafish Sep 2013 #44
You should start a thread with this, Octa. nt raccoon Sep 2013 #53
My sentiments exactly - thank you! Raksha Sep 2013 #90
Heard it this morn too but just got on and saw your excellent OP. HUGE K&R nt riderinthestorm Sep 2013 #4
Tyler Cowen is a Harvard man. Octafish Sep 2013 #41
Without question the highest level of condescension this side of Glenn Hubbard . . . hatrack Sep 2013 #86
and how did we get here? questionseverything Sep 2013 #5
It has nothing to do with WHO counts the vote FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #7
... questionseverything Sep 2013 #32
No Government Help for Shrinking Middle Class is going to happen FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #6
That is unless we get generation coming up now involved. Left Coast2020 Sep 2013 #23
You can't fix the kids till you fix the adults that teach them. jtuck004 Sep 2013 #28
A conversation I had with a schoolteacher friend in MN stated that kids are acting more self centered adirondacker Sep 2013 #31
It is time to get pissed Stargazer99 Sep 2013 #64
Is this defeatism? he's conceding the fight altogether? for whom is he conceding? 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #8
Well see, THAT'S called "framing".......... socialist_n_TN Sep 2013 #83
Orwell was an optimist. Fuddnik Sep 2013 #10
Orwell could never imagine the wealth involved. Octafish Sep 2013 #95
It's so obvious - we need a New New Deal, this time with guaranteed minimum income for all. reformist2 Sep 2013 #12
Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Octafish Sep 2013 #96
What's happening now was always Reaganism's endgame deutsey Sep 2013 #13
I don't give Reagan much credit, his "handlers" had a lot of the ideas, but I do not think they had Dustlawyer Sep 2013 #15
Reagan was a telegenic puppet for the right-wing reaction deutsey Sep 2013 #17
I think we blame too much on the right-wing. The 1% isnt right or left they are power. rhett o rick Sep 2013 #45
I think you have a point deutsey Sep 2013 #48
Some of it even goes back to Nixon starroute Sep 2013 #22
Exactly...I think I finally realized that deutsey Sep 2013 #39
One vision of the future: Playgrounds for the rich in orbit LongTomH Sep 2013 #14
JFK Continued the New Deal as the New Frontier Octafish Sep 2013 #20
Or it could mean that Americans will actually get radicalized starroute Sep 2013 #16
Great Post. Tiredofthesame Sep 2013 #54
I think that is exactly what will happen Joe Shlabotnik Sep 2013 #65
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Sep 2013 #18
Once business took over government all bets were off Precisely Sep 2013 #21
Your OP title reminds me of the Shins song "No Way Down" Arugula Latte Sep 2013 #24
hey, it is NOT like Obama is doing NOTHING hfojvt Sep 2013 #25
The tax increases were for the top 2% bhikkhu Sep 2013 #27
capital gains taxes increased automatically hfojvt Sep 2013 #33
When you include the lower estate tax rates ("death tax"), yes bhikkhu Sep 2013 #34
it would have been a better deal to let them all expire hfojvt Sep 2013 #37
also, the estate tax cut is NOT that big a deal hfojvt Sep 2013 #38
They want a world where the ONLY way to make it is to kiss their ass for a few crumbs. Spitfire of ATJ Sep 2013 #26
Tired of it no, not that, just somewhat jaded by it. Rex Sep 2013 #30
Recced. nt livingwagenow Sep 2013 #35
FOX News made a large portion of our nation collectively stupid. mick063 Sep 2013 #36
Truth is what Democracy craves. Octafish Sep 2013 #47
A lot of us were already stupid enough that we didn't make it a crime to lie and call it news. FiveGoodMen Sep 2013 #57
This vid should go viral, but at six and a half minutes, I guess it's too long for most people. CrispyQ Sep 2013 #42
And the nitwits among us obsess over trashing Greenwald. They cant discuss the intelligence rhett o rick Sep 2013 #46
Oh, please. Just stop. Maedhros Sep 2013 #62
Tell me that those that obsess over Greenwald arent trying to deflect attention from other rhett o rick Sep 2013 #63
Nobody is "obsessing over Greenwald", other than hacks who continue to target him with smears. Maedhros Sep 2013 #69
My greatest apologizes. You misunderstood my intent and I can see why rhett o rick Sep 2013 #74
It is possible that I'm a bit over-reactive when it comes to this particular issue. Maedhros Sep 2013 #78
I completely understand the overreaction, I've done it myself. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #81
Ooh, just what we need: a country full of impoverished people with a lot of guns. winter is coming Sep 2013 #50
for profit prisons can take millions more as all those angry people break laws, their lobby wrote. Sunlei Sep 2013 #58
And not for us... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #80
Maybe it's time for the young generation to think about leaving the country to find Vashta Nerada Sep 2013 #51
The RIGHTward move this country has taken in 35 years on nearly ALL fronts is KILLING us. HughBeaumont Sep 2013 #55
this could change if gov would cut the barriers that prevent people from working out of their homes. Sunlei Sep 2013 #56
Hey! I don't see "In God We Trust" on that image of paper money! KansDem Sep 2013 #59
I'm trying not to go insane every time I remember 1984. Octafish Sep 2013 #60
I was bothered all day by that interview. Ursus Rex Sep 2013 #61
Thank you for putting it into words, Ursus Rex. Octafish Sep 2013 #91
K&R! TeamPooka Sep 2013 #67
and guess what - 'electing more democrats' won't help one bit. KG Sep 2013 #68
How about Liberal Democrats? They're infinitely better than the Wall Street lubbers. Octafish Sep 2013 #89
sadly I tend to agree with you gopiscrap Sep 2013 #76
"people who can work with computers can make a lot"... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #77
The guy hit all the right chords, didn't he? Octafish Sep 2013 #88
He is either dense or a liar... awoke_in_2003 Sep 2013 #97
something else to aspire to...selling drugs matt in france Sep 2013 #79
Tired of gloom & doom. washnwmn Sep 2013 #82
Please, write an OP. Meanwhile, the Banksters who destroyed the American middle class... Octafish Sep 2013 #84
I heard this and wanted to throw up . . . hatrack Sep 2013 #85
In boosting the ''size'' at the top of the pyramid from 1- to 15-percent he added a lot of Hopium. Octafish Sep 2013 #87
K & R, bookmarked. Raksha Sep 2013 #92
10% of NPR employees are going to be looking for other jobs-the airwaves belong to the people-right? bobthedrummer Sep 2013 #93
kick. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #94
Sounds like this guy is an Elder Basher in the vein of Pete Petersen Foundation... KoKo Sep 2013 #98
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