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longship

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103. Well, the data drives the hypothesis.

Wed Sep 18, 2013, 01:36 AM

Sep 2013

And then, if additional data does not support the hypothesis, then it may be in question.

But the important thing is that it is not sufficient to merely malign a hypothesis you don't agree with. Nullifying a hypothesis without a replacement hypothesis is worthless, and is a classic mistake by conspiracy theorists. When asked for a replacement hypothesis they have nothing to offer -- or virtually everything to offer. It was the mafia, or Cuba, or Russia, or the KKK, or those fucking UFOs!!!

There's no cogent explanation from any conspiracy theory. They exist only to shoot down the prevalent narrative when they have none of their own. I've dealt with this before with both Kennedy and 9/11. I ask for data to support their hypothesis and they only say things aimed at negating the actual data. They have no credible data to support their non-existent hypotheses except for possibly cherry-picked data.

We also see these things with Creationists and climate change deniers. Their techniques are the same.

It's all rubbish.

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Who was responsible for the JFK conspiracy theories? [View all] Archae Sep 2013 OP

Nope, not quite nadinbrzezinski Sep 2013 #1

The people who didn't think Oswald as a lone shooter made sense Stupefacto Sep 2013 #2

welcome to du FreakinDJ Sep 2013 #3

No. It was because it was an easy way to make a fast buck. duffyduff Sep 2013 #16

Go to Creative Speculation... MrMickeysMom Sep 2013 #22

I don't care for the conspiracy theories. defacto7 Sep 2013 #33

Are you saying you visited the Texas Book Depository... Bay Boy Sep 2013 #77

Yes on all counts. defacto7 Sep 2013 #81

I've hit lots of moving targets at greater distances than Bay Boy Sep 2013 #96

Wow, You've shot deer from the book depository window? defacto7 Sep 2013 #97

I don't think they let you do that... Bay Boy Sep 2013 #98

"Argument from personal incredulity" fallacy. longship Sep 2013 #101

Good points. defacto7 Sep 2013 #102

Well, the data drives the hypothesis. longship Sep 2013 #103

Looks like I made a hell of a fool of myself.... defacto7 Sep 2013 #104

You are no fool, my friend. You're just human. longship Sep 2013 #105

welcome to DU gopiscrap Sep 2013 #35

Maybe it was Congress. former9thward Sep 2013 #4

Sigh. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #9

Post removed Post removed Sep 2013 #13

Oh, wow, linking to the anti-Semitic WhatReallyHappened.com Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #15

Bad site, true, but the Washington Post article is legit, I think. Here's a different source: NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #17

And then Thomas' study was itself torn apart in 2005 Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #19

Not taking a side either way but was notified of the hidden post. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #20

If you want to believe the government's story, that's your prerogative but why would rhett o rick Sep 2013 #49

Congress is still part of the government, yes? Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #55

I may be mistaken, but didnt you alert to have this thread locked? And someone alerted on rhett o rick Sep 2013 #58

Oh, yes, I think I did. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #59

So it was a coincidence that both alerts were leveled against posters that you disagree with? rhett o rick Sep 2013 #60

You do not see me or anyone alerting on EVERY post we disagree with. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #66

Good Grief. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #69

"Some think that the government might lie occasionally." nyquil_man Sep 2013 #74

Do you believe everything your government tells you? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #85

You can't define "occasionally"? nyquil_man Sep 2013 #94

people who didn't believe in "Magic bullets"??? NightWatcher Sep 2013 #5

The "magic" bullet never existed. Archae Sep 2013 #23

Yeah, Oswald was a "radical leftist" who hung out with right-wingers in Dallas and New Orleans. Zen Democrat Sep 2013 #28

Notice how this simple fact of where they were sitting is completed ignored by the CTers? zappaman Sep 2013 #50

The JFK CT's continue to use this false diagram Archae Sep 2013 #52

Yeah. That must be why Gerald Ford altered the Warren Commission report. Octafish Sep 2013 #68

So Ford replaced "entered his back at a point slightly above the shoulder" Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #70

Why do you want fewer people to learn what happened to President Kennedy, Bolo Boffin? Octafish Sep 2013 #72

I want DU's rules to be respected by you, Octafish. n/t Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #73

What rule did I break, Bolo Boffin? Octafish Sep 2013 #75

You know quite well, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #76

You act like an authority, but you can't show where I broke a rule. Octafish Sep 2013 #79

Seriously? zappaman Sep 2013 #87

Seeing how he was murdered while in police custody before trial... Octafish Sep 2013 #92

See what I mean? zappaman Sep 2013 #88

Chair of the Warren Commission, Chief Justice Earl Warren. OnyxCollie Sep 2013 #6

McCloy was no cupcake Octafish Sep 2013 #8

It never gets mentioned that the Warren Commission members did not all agree with its conclusions. dflprincess Sep 2013 #30

wasn't Hale Boggs killed in a questionable plane crash? nt grasswire Sep 2013 #32

Yes. And do you know who drove him to the airport? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #78

Bill Clinton n/t dflprincess Sep 2013 #83

wow indie9197 Sep 2013 #84

While you are researching, it may be worthwhile AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #89

Yes he was. dflprincess Sep 2013 #82

Disinformationists, Misinformationists, and the Truth. Octafish Sep 2013 #7

The right hand didn't know what the left was doing Taverner Sep 2013 #27

Mass Media ignoring 'RFK Believed in Conspiracy' shows corrupt nature of America's Press Octafish Sep 2013 #46

Paranoid schizophrenics, others with mental health disorders that cause disordered thinking REP Sep 2013 #10

bah..... whistler162 Sep 2013 #11

It was love that killed Kennedy! Warren DeMontague Sep 2013 #12

Sen. Richard Schweiker[R-PA]:"The Warren Commission has collapsed like a House of Cards" MinM Sep 2013 #37

Active measures. joshcryer Sep 2013 #18

It was a lack of trust in its own government by the people which gave rise to the JFK conspiracy Samantha Sep 2013 #21

You win. Boomerproud Sep 2013 #99

Yup YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #108

Why would the KGB spread these conspiracy theories? Archae Sep 2013 #24

Damn that Putin n/t Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #29

The people who covered up the crime. n/t Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #25

KGB, NSA, CIA, Stasi, take a number Taverner Sep 2013 #26

If there were other bullets fired, where did they hit? Recursion Sep 2013 #36

Oh sure they started ALL conspiracies about JFK Rex Sep 2013 #31

who was resposible gopiscrap Sep 2013 #34

Oh, right. The KGB. SOOO much more sinister than the CIA! WinkyDink Sep 2013 #38

That make sens. Today RT is doing a lot of the same job : alienate The US left from the Center. Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #39

And there it is RZM Sep 2013 #62

Kick . Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #40

After 2 congressional investigations I thought we had most of the answers but this documentary KurtNYC Sep 2013 #41

LOL! your source is a teenage humor magazine aolwien Sep 2013 #42

Oliver Stone explains how Jim Garrison was on the right trail... Octafish Sep 2013 #43

Oliver Stone? Archae Sep 2013 #45

JFK the movie wasn't a documentary. Octafish Sep 2013 #47

Not to mention what a farce the Shaw trial was. zappaman Sep 2013 #48

"Shoot Him Down" -- NBC, the CIA and Jim Garrison Octafish Sep 2013 #56

And a liar. zappaman Sep 2013 #57

No, Garrison wasn't a liar. That's what the CIA and FBI want you to think. Octafish Sep 2013 #61

Here's what JFK researcher Harold Weisberg thought. zappaman Sep 2013 #63

I don't understand why you make fun of the BFEE, zappaman. Octafish Sep 2013 #64

Yawn. zappaman Sep 2013 #65

Wow! An acolyte of McAdams, the professional debunker. Octafish Sep 2013 #71

Cuz they pay well, my good friend. zappaman Sep 2013 #86

You mock me for posting about the crimes and treasons of the BFEE... Octafish Sep 2013 #90

we need a bullwhip toting, hard nosed investigative journalist to get down to the bottom of why dionysus Apr 2014 #109

Evidence contradicting the official version? NT jakeXT Sep 2013 #44

I opposed the unrec, from the beginning. Laelth Sep 2013 #51

lol. grantcart Sep 2013 #93

The Dallas Police Department. thucythucy Sep 2013 #53

Obviously, the KGB wasn't alone in spreading JFK conspiracy theories. Archae Sep 2013 #54

Mark Lane played a pretty significant role. nyquil_man Sep 2013 #67

Pauley Perrette (NCIS' Abby) produced Citizen Lane MinM Sep 2013 #80

Executive Action (1973) MinM Sep 2013 #91

That film is chilling dflprincess Sep 2013 #100

The Parallax View MinM Sep 2013 #106

Thanks for the tip. dflprincess Sep 2013 #107

Warren Commission, Dorothy Kilgallen, the fact that Dallas cops let Oswald get shot Bluenorthwest Sep 2013 #95