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127. "Greenwald says" by itself doesn't carry much credibility with me. He has an agenda,

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Fri Oct 25, 2013, 07:33 AM

Oct 2013

and it's not the dispassionate transfer of information to the public

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Glenn Greenwald drops NSA bombshell in Italy [View all] Shampoyeto Oct 2013 OP

Interesting how this coincides with Kerry's trip to Italy: Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #1

AGAIN?! I was tempted to look that up but I didn't think Greenwald would be THAT transparent. randome Oct 2013 #2

Basically all this information about alleged spying on Europeans is occurring as Kerry is in Europe. Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #4

Oh, you knew we were spying on Italy for non-counterterrorism purposes? Very impressive. nt DisgustipatedinCA Oct 2013 #5

You missed our point. Completely. Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #7

So what if they are timed? Don't you think they get more notice this way? cui bono Oct 2013 #77

The man is trying to get the information *noticed*. Marr Oct 2013 #101

x2 AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #137

Greenwald said he'd make them pay for what they did to his husband. LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #140

Please supply a link to that quote from Greenwald 'I will make them sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #152

I think this is what I remember: LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #201

Here's a different quote: LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #206

Yes, I do remember those statements after they harassed his husband. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #237

This message was self-deleted by its author LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #207

No, I don't CARE that we spy on Italy. randome Oct 2013 #9

Link for that stopped terrorist attack, please. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #22

Here are a couple. Not the one I was thinking about, though. randome Oct 2013 #60

I've read of many alleged "foiled plots"; don't believe most. E.g. "He tried to kill my daddy." WinkyDink Oct 2013 #191

Two of Headley's wives turned him in. Also, he was a U.S. intelligence asset Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #245

yes, yes. you know so much more than Senators like Wyden, Leahy and Udall cali Oct 2013 #47

We've been hearing 'tip of the iceberg' for a long time. randome Oct 2013 #66

When parts of the iceberg surface we get kooky responses about timing being suspicious. cui bono Oct 2013 #79

Didn't they spy on Dr King and try to ruin his marriage? grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #114

Probably. Not only was that a long time ago, but the NSA is now forbidden by law... randome Oct 2013 #122

Well then the NSA has broken the law because starting with Bush sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #168

That was the FBI. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #192

NSA didn't spy on MLK, you say? nt Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #215

Apparently it did, but the FBI was first: WinkyDink Oct 2013 #242

I have some serious problems with the NSA. NCTraveler Oct 2013 #136

Breitbart SUPPORTED the Spying on the American people. It was Dems sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #154

I meant it sounds like Breitbart when we scream 'STOP SPYING ON US!' randome Oct 2013 #166

not that it's right, but every country that can afford an intelligence agency spies on everyone they dionysus Oct 2013 #33

What I know (and I can't tell you why or how) is that ALL modern governments spy on each other. kelliekat44 Oct 2013 #91

Geez, even MAD has had "Spy vs. Spy vs. Spy" for 50 years. WinkyDink Oct 2013 #193

Only it was Der Spiegel which broke the Merkel story Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #8

Der Spiegel obtained the documents from Greenwald, no doubt. randome Oct 2013 #12

Busted! Der Spiegel has possessed the NSA documents for a long time, not just recently Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #14

No, but it's been, what, three countries in a row now? randome Oct 2013 #64

What is the agenda? And why - whatever it is - is it suspect? cui bono Oct 2013 #85

It's Greenwalds agenda more than anything else, IMO. randome Oct 2013 #124

What utter nonsense. Democrats have always opposed these sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #164

Don't you think it's ridiculous for the new complaint to be that he wants attention when he's cui bono Oct 2013 #182

He's a reporter. He writes things he thinks people should read. You are confusing him with someone cui bono Oct 2013 #181

And you have "no doubt" that Laura Poitras didn't give the Der Spiegel Magazine the documents? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #34

What difference does it make? randome Oct 2013 #63

Was Kerry in Brazil and Mexico when stories of NSA spying broke there? nt Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #10

It was actually released before Brazil's Prez was going to have a state dinner in the US Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #13

What do Brazilian President dinners have to do with Kerry-related conspiracy theories? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #15

LOL. Welcome to DU. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #16

Again, surely... SidDithers Oct 2013 #26

!!! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #31

Expect a lot more of this. It's being widely disseminated by these folks: Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #20

The reaction to the leak on Merkel by a former French big wig was pretty consistent with what alot Number23 Oct 2013 #68

It's especially hypocritical of Merkel: Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #83

Wow, I'm SHOCKED@!! No really!1 Number23 Oct 2013 #90

Rightfully so; Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #111

Merkel grew up in East Germany and she has that Stasi stench about her. MADem Oct 2013 #179

Yeah, and expect more posts like yours, from all the Obama apologists who don't stand for anything cui bono Oct 2013 #81

Say Hi for me! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #84

To who? cui bono Oct 2013 #86

"I don't really expect much from you" Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #87

Not at all. I've just seen that posts like this is about all you can handle. cui bono Oct 2013 #92

'Latin America is but a cyst on the anus of the world' is the sort of 'substance' offered. Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #142

There has been an attempt at substance made! cui bono Oct 2013 #230

If I gave two hoots about you, I might, but since I don't... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #227

Link to me fetishizing GG please. Really. I'd love to see it. cui bono Oct 2013 #229

This source should be okay as it's the "true liberals" bible (so to speak). Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #232

And thus the ankle biter was slain! Number23 Oct 2013 #233

Like I said..."It's great sport"! Any leader, including Latin American leaders, who trash this..... Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #234

Really, this is my last time kicking this shitty thread Number23 Oct 2013 #235

I love how you think s/he's "winning" cui bono Oct 2013 #239

"I am far from slain. Although I must admit, you do slay me." Number23 Oct 2013 #243

I didn't see any others referenced here. You chose to make comments about me and call me names cui bono Oct 2013 #246

"I am far from slain. Although I must admit, you do slay me." Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #251

Oh girl, the "explanation" for that bit of ridiculousness was even better Number23 Oct 2013 #257

Okay, I agree, that was stupid. cui bono Oct 2013 #238

Well, alrighty then. You have a good one, ya' hear? Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #240

So you admit you can't answer my questions. cui bono Oct 2013 #241

Where did you get that quote about Snowden calling Putin champion of human rights? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #253

Hey, looks like you've got something on your ankle... Number23 Oct 2013 #112

I love it. It's great sport! Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #198

+1. Well put. Marr Oct 2013 #102

Hell Yeah! LuvNewcastle Oct 2013 #141

Not against spying, speak for yourself... and put out your hair DontTreadOnMe Oct 2013 #204

Where did people get this idea Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #108

Ron Paul is a front runnin' phoney just like his whacked out supporters, and the fruit of his loins. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #196

After this, therefore because of this...? LanternWaste Oct 2013 #57

A conspiracy theory? Rex Oct 2013 #3

Conspiracy hypothesis would be more accurate Fumesucker Oct 2013 #6

True! I think I'm going to use that in conversations. Rex Oct 2013 #42

If this happened under a Republican administration and a journalist did the same thing... Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #18

"and a journalist did the same thing" Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #19

Not really Spider Jerusalem Oct 2013 #25

So at least we can agree on the timing. n/t Cali_Democrat Oct 2013 #27

Presumably it was a poorly worded hypothetical dreamnightwind Oct 2013 #30

I haven't seen a coherent explanation of what the timing is all about. cui bono Oct 2013 #95

I doubt Greenwald has a dog in any American politic seveneyes Oct 2013 #36

Greenwald has in the past shown up in the US to push third-parties, as he did in 2010 struggle4progress Oct 2013 #107

He says he isn't, ronnie624 Oct 2013 #118

He's on tape. I've posted the link repeatedly. And Greenwald reflexively calls people liars struggle4progress Oct 2013 #123

It's terribly ironic... MADem Oct 2013 #180

Poking around a bit will reveals quite a few people who find Greenwald dishonest struggle4progress Oct 2013 #236

The very suggestion ronnie624 Oct 2013 #261

A list of people who will take the money for writing a single "article".....so? MADem Oct 2013 #262

I am not now, nor have I ever been, employed by the Cato Institute. ronnie624 Oct 2013 #263

No, it doesn't. He was giving a speech in the US on Thursday muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #80

His interest is keeping the story alive, and he is doing well at it. morningfog Oct 2013 #100

Talking about coincidences what about all of the impassioned grantcart Oct 2013 #117

Once again, you're engaging in attacks on the messenger, and not looking at the message. Th1onein Oct 2013 #130

Poor Glennie leftynyc Oct 2013 #11

Did you just say Glenn Greenwald is not getting attention? Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #17

He's getting plenty and that's his aim. pnwmom Oct 2013 #21

what's yours? frylock Oct 2013 #50

What's yours? pnwmom Oct 2013 #56

i'm rubber, you're glue frylock Oct 2013 #73

Well DUH! He's a journalist, his JOB is to get information out to the public. cui bono Oct 2013 #97

I sees someone else leftynyc Oct 2013 #121

"glennie" one step short of outright homophobia. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #32

Why? leftynyc Oct 2013 #119

you are deliberately emasculating a grown man Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #203

I'm infantilizing him leftynyc Oct 2013 #212

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #202

it's eating you up inside that this is getting attention.. frylock Oct 2013 #49

LOL - uh, no leftynyc Oct 2013 #120

it's evident that you couldn't possibly care less every time you post in these threads.. frylock Oct 2013 #172

Yawn leftynyc Oct 2013 #189

and here we are again, not caring less.. frylock Oct 2013 #194

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A search of the Barack Obama group for the last two years didn't turn up "Glennie" struggle4progress Oct 2013 #109

Hooray everybody loves the Internet Archivist bobduca Oct 2013 #113

Bottom-dragging for reactions seems somewhat low-brow to me struggle4progress Oct 2013 #115

Not to mention.... Bobbie Jo Oct 2013 #125

Oh, dearie me! A jury hid that silly reaction-seeking nonsense! I do wonder why struggle4progress Oct 2013 #126

Too many church ladies in the jury pool again? L0oniX Oct 2013 #155

Or maybe more and more DUers are getting tired of ODS and accusatory shrieks "You support Obama!" struggle4progress Oct 2013 #160

"real conversation"? ...in there? LOL L0oniX Oct 2013 #170

Those "against terms and conditions," are also hidden ...apparently. L0oniX Oct 2013 #156

Avoid getting baited into a response that could go to a Jury... bvar22 Oct 2013 #256

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I think you should stick to the subject, don't you? sibelian Oct 2013 #135

I've made my position on leftynyc Oct 2013 #143

LOL, he is getting plenty! nt Logical Oct 2013 #184

On here, sure leftynyc Oct 2013 #190

Lol, same with Grayson, frankin, olbermann, etc. nice try. nt Logical Oct 2013 #216

A congressman, leftynyc Oct 2013 #221

Go ahead with your denial, it is easier than the truth! nt Logical Oct 2013 #222

Oh yes, leftynyc Oct 2013 #223

Will you two get a room? randome Oct 2013 #224

Snowden made a difference! LOL, ask the NSA! And people like you whine... Logical Oct 2013 #226

"not only the fight against terrorism." What is it then? pnwmom Oct 2013 #23

better question: why would you care? frylock Oct 2013 #52

Why do you? pnwmom Oct 2013 #55

because i'm a civil libertarian that doesn't suspend my views when someone i like holds office frylock Oct 2013 #72

And I have no problem with Snowden releasing information pnwmom Oct 2013 #76

It's in the OP. cui bono Oct 2013 #93

So what. I couldn't give a damn if the worlds ruling class are all spying on each other JaneyVee Oct 2013 #24

Excuse me? You don't care if the US government is used for corporate spying? woo me with science Oct 2013 #37

They spied for pizza recepies. darkangel218 Oct 2013 #28

Or getting the secret cloudbase Oct 2013 #70

Gee if they spied on an Asian nation would you say 'were they looking for good rice recipies'? Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #145

It was a joke, lighten uo Francis!! darkangel218 Oct 2013 #210

du rec. xchrom Oct 2013 #29

So when do we get to the good stuff? Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #35

Mass surveillance of the US's own citizens, now corporate spying... woo me with science Oct 2013 #38

You be satisfied with the snack crumbs... Blue_Tires Oct 2013 #153

... woo me with science Oct 2013 #161

Huge K&R. So now we have evidence of both mass spying on citizens AND corporate spying. woo me with science Oct 2013 #39

Actually, what we have so far is a teaser, in an Italian paper, saying "Greenwald says" struggle4progress Oct 2013 #110

Sure, if you buy GG's scam. tridim Oct 2013 #132

Rec. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #138

How long have Democrats been saying the NSA is dangerous? How long were we ignored? melody Oct 2013 #40

And is it still dangerous? Or is this post a bid woo me with science Oct 2013 #44

Was I attempting to? melody Oct 2013 #46

Their allegiance appears to be to the same multinational banks and corporations woo me with science Oct 2013 #53

Hell, no melody Oct 2013 #61

Sorry, the nation is waking up to that game. woo me with science Oct 2013 #65

Did you ever read the White Paper about "using libertarians and independents" melody Oct 2013 #78

That was a sad post, woo me with science Oct 2013 #99

Your own posts are illustrative of the problem of "isms" melody Oct 2013 #103

Yep, you got in the last word. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #139

I have no idea what you're talking about melody Oct 2013 #144

Obviously, you responded to #99, including the last paragraph within it. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #158

Here. This should help you "understand". bvar22 Oct 2013 #252

I'm a liberal Democrat -- I have been one all my life melody Oct 2013 #254

On what policies do Obama and Clinton differ? LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #228

Democrats? L0oniX Oct 2013 #150

Yeah, see the name of the site? Most of us are Democrats here n/t melody Oct 2013 #157

You mean the dino, dlc, 3rdway gov shills that are comfortable with the NSA spying on everyone? L0oniX Oct 2013 #159

No, I didn't say the DLC, Dinos or the like -- I said the Democrats melody Oct 2013 #225

He's a hero. L0oniX Oct 2013 #41

+100000 woo me with science Oct 2013 #45

Hopefully you left off mimi85 Oct 2013 #71

^^^^^^This^^^^^^ Autumn Oct 2013 #82

If you believe in Democracy. Octafish Oct 2013 #147

The majority has always been the ignorant sleeping sheep. Poppies anyone? L0oniX Oct 2013 #148

More than a few posted they'd be OK if the Constitution was scrapped. Octafish Oct 2013 #187

There is a constant, unnatural influx of corporate/Third Way personas to this site. woo me with science Oct 2013 #176

Must be a lot of money in that. Octafish Oct 2013 #188

Bombshell: Intelligence Agency Engages In Intelligence Gathering gcomeau Oct 2013 #43

No, corporate spying is not the job of the US government. woo me with science Oct 2013 #48

There is a difference between monitoring the activities of corporations... gcomeau Oct 2013 #54

The propaganda is shameless, outrageous, woo me with science Oct 2013 #58

The labeling of basic simple facts as "propaganda" is childish. -eom gcomeau Oct 2013 #59

The problem with much of the propaganda woo me with science Oct 2013 #69

+ a trillion!!! excellent posts. solarhydrocan Oct 2013 #75

^^^this^^^ L0oniX Oct 2013 #149

Shame on anyone... gcomeau Oct 2013 #167

Your persistence in the face of the ignorance is amazing. Keep up the good work!! riderinthestorm Oct 2013 #183

" it assumes stupidity on the part of Americans" bvar22 Oct 2013 #255

+100000000 woo me with science Oct 2013 #258

so your cools with china "monitoring the activities of corporations" in america? frylock Oct 2013 #74

No, but I also recognize every country is going to do it. gcomeau Oct 2013 #163

i know what they have them for, it doesn't mean i have to fucking like or accept it. frylock Oct 2013 #165

Well tough. gcomeau Oct 2013 #169

stfu would have easier to type out frylock Oct 2013 #173

Would also have meant something completely different. gcomeau Oct 2013 #174

thank goodness we have Reality-based Real World Realists here like you to point out that reality frylock Oct 2013 #197

Indeed. gcomeau Oct 2013 #209

again, you do us a great service and i am forever in your debt.. frylock Oct 2013 #213

Enjoy feeding time. -eom gcomeau Oct 2013 #220

Actually, it is in the interests of all governments to do it. joshcryer Oct 2013 #105

It's almost not worth bothering explaining it gcomeau Oct 2013 #171

They got nothing. joshcryer Oct 2013 #247

Specifically WHAT "Strawmen" are you whining about,? bvar22 Oct 2013 #259

Um. Please read what I wrote. Post #105. joshcryer Oct 2013 #260

Are you suggesting that, say, Corporate Espionage doesn't qualify as "fighting terror"? Warren DeMontague Oct 2013 #51

It's Getting harder and harder to believe that this is just BUSH STUFF.. KoKo Oct 2013 #62

+1. jsr Oct 2013 #67

"Greenwald says" by itself doesn't carry much credibility with me. He has an agenda, struggle4progress Oct 2013 #127

You have "an agenda" too. bvar22 Oct 2013 #177

You could look, for example, at Greenwald's misuse of a blog entry by Mark Klamberg, to support struggle4progress Oct 2013 #248

Kick. Luminous Animal Oct 2013 #88

Did they question Berlusconi's good character? jberryhill Oct 2013 #89

Odd how they mention corporate espionage, but... Oilwellian Oct 2013 #94

+1 We always knew the ultimate revelations would be about corporate subversion of government. woo me with science Oct 2013 #98

energy, money, or power upi402 Oct 2013 #104

“News is what somebody somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising.” Lord Northcliffe Tierra_y_Libertad Oct 2013 #96

Wow, looks like NSA trolls all over this thread, lol:) grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #116

Everyone who expresses an opinion you disagree with is an NSA troll? davidpdx Oct 2013 #129

We live in very creepy times. woo me with science Oct 2013 #146

the flip side is questionseverything Oct 2013 #211

Seems corporations have found a useful tool in the NSA fasttense Oct 2013 #128

There is no evidence -none- that the NSA is selling information. randome Oct 2013 #131

Well that would be a national security issue subject to being kept secret. L0oniX Oct 2013 #162

It's Obama who established the National Declassification Center. randome Oct 2013 #199

It doesn't matter what we assume. It matters what the rest of the sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #178

+1 cui bono Oct 2013 #186

I'm not defending it. I'm saying I don't care and I think that's how most people think. randome Oct 2013 #195

'I think that's how most people think". Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #200

Politicians play politics. randome Oct 2013 #205

yes they are so clever Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #208

Since when do law enforcement agencies report to you or me? randome Oct 2013 #214

Do you think the U.S. government really cares if France or Germany spies on us? Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #219

Laws, there are LAWS governing police work, and we have them for a sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #250

The anti-corporation crowd on DU is concerned about Corporations being spied on? Democat Oct 2013 #133

Que? Puzzledtraveller Oct 2013 #134

Who are the 'anti-Corporation crowd on DU'?? I have not met a sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #175

What? By what logic you you reach that conclusion? cui bono Oct 2013 #185

I am anti -republican. Should i advocate spying on Republicans? nt Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #217

You statement is logic fail in so many ways I don't know where to start LondonReign2 Oct 2013 #231

They are actually very pro-corporate. joshcryer Oct 2013 #244

lol, somebody is going to get fired. mean while italy, germany and the rest okieinpain Oct 2013 #218

k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Oct 2013 #249