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BootinUp

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270. Well if you have to, stick your head out the window at least!

Wed Oct 30, 2013, 03:37 AM

Oct 2013

As to the rest of your post....well, I can only suggest there is more than enough information in this thread to make reasonable minds question their beliefs. Give it try if you are not afraid to.

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Nov. 22, 1963: 50 years, and still no conspiracy|Op Ed LA Times [View all] BootinUp Oct 2013 OP

yup zappaman Oct 2013 #1

All they have to do is make sure that every fragment of evidence has been released to the public JDPriestly Oct 2013 #76

Was it ever explained why Ruby shot Oswald? KansDem Oct 2013 #87

Ruby's cryptic response... MinM Oct 2013 #91

What is the question he answers... Whiskeytide Oct 2013 #166

At 0'28" KansDem Oct 2013 #216

Thanks. n/t Whiskeytide Oct 2013 #218

Thanks... KansDem Oct 2013 #217

Yes. In Texas. That's why people are not happy with the conclusions of the Warren Report. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #148

When's the last time you read the Warren Report? stopbush Oct 2013 #133

When did you last read it? JDPriestly Oct 2013 #147

Two years ago. stopbush Oct 2013 #151

I haven't read it. But you have inspired me to do so. JDPriestly Oct 2013 #170

Good for you. At least you're open minded. It's available online for free stopbush Oct 2013 #205

what is he selling a book warrior1 Oct 2013 #2

He supports secrets being kept, too RobertEarl Oct 2013 #4

Selling books is what JFK CT'ers do best cpwm17 Oct 2013 #5

I was in college when the assassination occurred. I remember it clearly. I am not happy JDPriestly Oct 2013 #77

And the vast majority of those who discount the Warren Report have never actually read it. stopbush Oct 2013 #135

More than lefties were shot, or shot at. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #177

Because he has tons of evidence and a humanly possible scenario on his side Schema Thing Oct 2013 #8

"fucking unicorns"!!!.... SidDithers Oct 2013 #38

How did Oswald get in and out of the Soviet Union during the height of the Cold War? KurtNYC Oct 2013 #96

Great questions Kurt... MinM Oct 2013 #124

Actually, Kurt, the WCR answers all of those questions, and in detail. stopbush Oct 2013 #136

what page or section? I find no mention of Ferrie or Ruby in the Oswald bio of WCR. KurtNYC Oct 2013 #146

That's the point. stopbush Oct 2013 #152

Someone in this exchange seems to think bullets have brakes and steering KurtNYC Oct 2013 #157

Someone seems to not know the definition of the word "pristine." stopbush Oct 2013 #206

Its not a theory its a single bullet fact. BootinUp Oct 2013 #208

The bullet looks like it was shot into cotton wadding. Octafish Oct 2013 #219

Similar looking bullets have been produced from experiments BootinUp Oct 2013 #222

No. Just on tee vee. Octafish Oct 2013 #223

Gee thanks BootinUp Oct 2013 #227

he went to the Soviet Union and was accepted just as we accepted dozens of grantcart Oct 2013 #153

Perhaps you either haven't read or have forgotten how Oswald got into the USSR. KurtNYC Oct 2013 #163

So you are or are not aware of how Oswald got into the USSR? grantcart Oct 2013 #167

"the last person picked by anyone for a high profile operation" unless you need a patsy perhaps. KurtNYC Oct 2013 #172

The RW did not believe that he was soft on Communism. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #183

There was no air cover for the Bay of Pigs invasion KurtNYC Oct 2013 #233

When a target is moving directly away, it is as if the target is standing still. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #179

Oswald was an accomplished marksman. Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #185

Yes. He passed the Marines qualification standards to be a combat rifleman. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #190

I don't believe the official story, never will n/t doc03 Oct 2013 #3

Me either Shampoyeto Oct 2013 #178

There is a show on Reelz channel this Sunday at 8pm I beleive doc03 Oct 2013 #180

Neither did Sen. Richard Schweiker MinM Oct 2013 #181

Could be because the nitty gritty of the whole story has been under secrecy wraps since it happened. shraby Oct 2013 #6

CA Atty Gen Earl Warren provided racist rhetoric to Lt. Gen DeWitt, OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #7

He later said he: BootinUp Oct 2013 #9

Its funny that you call him a conspiracy entrepeneur BootinUp Oct 2013 #10

Conspiracy Theories by Sunstein & Vermeule. OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #12

I don't see anything there to support calling Earl Warren BootinUp Oct 2013 #14

There was nothing to support the internment of the Japanese OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #15

As he later regretted. You are not ignorant of that I assume? BootinUp Oct 2013 #16

As I had added to my first post, OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #17

Of course you also make this huge leap BootinUp Oct 2013 #20

Heres a decent attempt to explain Warren on Japanese Internment You probably aren't interested BootinUp Oct 2013 #23

Well, what does it say? OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #24

It puts things in context. BootinUp Oct 2013 #25

I'm not interested in reading a long article to see if you had a point. OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #29

Oh yeah, research like I just did, yeah. BootinUp Oct 2013 #32

And here is a link to the relevant part of BootinUp Oct 2013 #33

From Personal Justice Denied OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #35

You're insulting remarks have become boring and dull BootinUp Oct 2013 #44

My wife, a political science major in the early '50s, still vividly recalls one of her professors, indepat Oct 2013 #36

You should read Justice Douglas' notes. OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #37

The secret Notes? Your attempts at sliming Warren are really pathetic BootinUp Oct 2013 #55

Your tantrums are really pathetic. OnyxCollie Oct 2013 #68

The grassy knoll refuses to die. RC Oct 2013 #11

Magical thinking. A route change? Not really. stopbush Oct 2013 #138

The Key To The Warren Report |American Heritage BootinUp Oct 2013 #13

Nobody knows a fucking thing about Oswald. RagAss Oct 2013 #18

Clearly a silly statement on its face. Maybe what you mean to say BootinUp Oct 2013 #22

No...I meant what I said.... RagAss Oct 2013 #165

Bullshit Politicalboi Oct 2013 #19

LOL, the truth is boring I understand. But Oswald did it alone. n-t Logical Oct 2013 #49

The SS testified as to why they weren't on JFK's limo that day. stopbush Oct 2013 #139

How to tell a conspiracy theory is pure bullshit... Archae Oct 2013 #21

We as citizens couldn't handle the truth......its easier to swallow what we are told.... Good god Gin Oct 2013 #26

The truth may be that Oswald acted alone but many refuse to consider that. Kaleva Oct 2013 #28

The truth may be that Oswald didn't act alone, but many refuse to consider that. villager Oct 2013 #40

I read my first JFK conspiracy book in grade school BootinUp Oct 2013 #56

"Murder by Cartoon" villager Oct 2013 #57

Meyers responded to these claims apparently BootinUp Oct 2013 #59

Since you credit the HSCA then, I guess -- since you don't cherry pick, right? -- you agree villager Oct 2013 #60

I think they made a mistake with regards to using the acoustic BootinUp Oct 2013 #61

Of course you do. villager Oct 2013 #62

In your case, I gather your real problem with the official story BootinUp Oct 2013 #63

And I could sift through the other evidence that points to a conspiracy.... villager Oct 2013 #64

But why is the lone nut theory wobbly? BootinUp Oct 2013 #65

Let me turn the question around: Do you believe that all three major 60's assassinations were really villager Oct 2013 #66

I will try to answer that question BootinUp Oct 2013 #67

lol YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #213

That's, this will help me ignore your other posts! nt Logical Oct 2013 #122

Too bad that Hale Boggs who was on the Warren Commission and wanted to re-open an investigation AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #27

Boggs was the most outspoken critic among the three dissenting members dflprincess Oct 2013 #45

The first odd thing was that the police, FBI, et al immediately knew that (1) Oswald was the shooter AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #50

Another unexplainable thing was why the Secret Service agents were called off Nay Oct 2013 #79

Simple, they weren't called off. BootinUp Oct 2013 #83

It's on video. Last Stand Oct 2013 #169

See post #139 above BootinUp Oct 2013 #188

The puzzled "what the hell" gesture can be seen here: AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #95

Well he was identified as the only employee who his employer was certain wasn't missing. grantcart Oct 2013 #154

Yep, stop looking for anyone else if an employer is reportedly missing one employee. Good call. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #155

You raised the question "how did the police know it was Oswald so quickly" grantcart Oct 2013 #156

Not true. Anyone can see the questions at #50: "How did they know that he was the only one involved? AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #158

And I am dealing with the first question: grantcart Oct 2013 #159

At #156, you said I "raised the question 'how did the police know it was Oswald so quickly' AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #160

So we are clear on this point: There is absolutely nothing unusual or mysterious grantcart Oct 2013 #161

What we are clear on is that you create strawmen and falsely attribute statements to others. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #162

I found your post ambiguous and am trying to understand exactly what it is you are alleging. grantcart Oct 2013 #164

Maybe he wasn't in a good mood? BootinUp Oct 2013 #200

Having doubts in the 60s and 70s, and now are two different things BootinUp Oct 2013 #53

I agree oswaldactedalone Oct 2013 #30

lol nt BootinUp Oct 2013 #31

The birth of conspiracy theories was a huge detriment to the intelligence of American society. BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #34

The JFK CT BS was the precursor to birtherism n/t SamYeager Oct 2013 #52

CTs are older than JFK KamaAina Oct 2013 #111

I agree with you on this... YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #211

We all know it was George HW Bush... SidDithers Oct 2013 #39

heehee BootinUp Oct 2013 #42

Yeah. It's not like George Herbert Walker Bush wasn't in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Octafish Oct 2013 #71

Sid is soooo bad. greytdemocrat Oct 2013 #74

''Bite'' is the operative word. Octafish Oct 2013 #81

Why would Bush have to be in Dallas to be involved in the assassination? PAMod Oct 2013 #142

So, why not ask George Herbert Walker Bush? Octafish Oct 2013 #144

There you go, posting something logical in response to the CT'ers... YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #209

Tyler, Texas is not Dallas, Texas. It's not even all that close. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #212

So why did Gerald Ford have to alter the report? Octafish Oct 2013 #41

With more recent (last 15 years or so) analysis on the bullet path BootinUp Oct 2013 #43

Thanks, but all that makes assumptions and cherry-picks in order to buttress the Warren Commission. Octafish Oct 2013 #82

An independently certified 3D computer model says Mr. Griffith is very wrong. BootinUp Oct 2013 #84

Got a link to that? Octafish Oct 2013 #86

Sure! BootinUp Oct 2013 #186

"I Don't Think Lee Harvey Oswald Pulled the Trigger" Dale Myers MinM Oct 2013 #201

Take it up with the independent certifying party. nt BootinUp Oct 2013 #203

ABC News, the company Bill Casey rebuilt for the Company... Octafish Oct 2013 #220

A fine example of the genetic fallacy, Octafish Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #221

Your expert opionion, Bolo Boffin? What's not true in what I posted? Octafish Oct 2013 #224

None of that has anything to do with the video. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #225

Quit with the Sideshow, Bolo Boffin. When it comes to Dallas, CIA calls up its assets in the media. Octafish Oct 2013 #228

Another fine example of the genetic fallacy, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #231

Jumping to that conclusion would be a logical fallacy. Octafish Oct 2013 #232

I know you didn't say outright that i am CIA. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #234

So why continue to say what I didn't say, Bolo Boffin? Octafish Oct 2013 #236

What have I said you said that you didn't? Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #237

''This self-martyrdom act of yours does get tiresome.'' Octafish Oct 2013 #239

Well, it does. What did I say you said that you didn't? n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #240

Who cares? Octafish Oct 2013 #244

So you intend to keep climbing up on that cross, nailing yourself on, and wailing? Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #250

How much time do you have to dedicate yourself to a subthread on an old thread? Octafish Oct 2013 #255

What subthread on an old thread are you referring to? Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #262

Hours spent on this one. Octafish Oct 2013 #264

This thread? *scoff* Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #268

Really, Bolo Boffin? Octafish Oct 2013 #272

Really, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #273

Really monitoring away. Octafish Oct 2013 #274

Maybe you should calm down. I'm not monitoring you. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #275

You say alter. I say more accurately describe. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #69

Either way, Ford lied. Octafish Oct 2013 #85

Bullshit he did. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #88

Why defend a puke liar, Bolo Boffin? And your question has nothing to do with the subject. Octafish Oct 2013 #89

What do you care about attacking Republicans, Octafish? Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #90

Got a link for any of that? Octafish Oct 2013 #92

It amazes me that you deny what you do in other threads, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #93

No link to back up what you say. Here's a link from me: Octafish Oct 2013 #94

I just added the link to your posted article smearing Bobby Kennedy. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #97

Out of context, of course. Octafish Oct 2013 #99

The hell it is. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #101

Show where I smeared Bobby Kennedy, Bolo Boffin. Octafish Oct 2013 #103

Right here, Octafish. Third time's the charm? Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #105

Wow, Bolo Boffin. No where do I smear Robert Kennedy. So, there is that. Octafish Oct 2013 #109

That says RFK is an accessory to his brother's murder. It doesn't get more "smear" than that. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #110

Not what I wrote, Bolo Boffin. And yet you insist on saying that's what I wrote. Octafish Oct 2013 #116

Why did you post it here, Octafish? Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #119

More words you made up, Bolo Boffin. Octafish Oct 2013 #127

I didn't make you post that article here! Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #129

What's sad is you continue to smear me by alleging what I did not write, Bolo Boffin. Octafish Oct 2013 #131

You. Posted. That. Article. And. Refuse. To. Disavow. The. RFK. Smear. n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #132

I didn't write what you said, though. Octafish Oct 2013 #145

Yes, you did. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #168

If you're willing to misrepresent what I write, what else do you misrepresent? Octafish Oct 2013 #173

Why can't you answer a simple question? zappaman Oct 2013 #175

I haven't misrepresented you. You posted that link that smeared Bobby Kennedy. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #176

Simple question. zappaman Oct 2013 #123

Why do you want fewer people to learn what happened to President Kennedy, zappaman? Octafish Oct 2013 #128

So you can't answer the question? zappaman Oct 2013 #134

Wow! Tag Team propaganda. Octafish Oct 2013 #143

You really do think Robert Kennedy was an accessory after the fact in his brother's murder. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #196

That's a propaganda technique. Octafish Oct 2013 #245

So you do not think RFK was an accessory to his brother's murder? Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #253

You bring up things I didn't say and try to make me use my time defending them. Octafish Oct 2013 #256

No, that's not what you think. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #260

Don't write things I didn't write, then. Octafish Oct 2013 #266

I haven't. n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #269

So you post where I show how you cherry-pick a quote? Octafish Oct 2013 #98

Cherry pick??? It's an entire section of the article! Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #100

Why should I spend time fighting your straw man, Bolo Boffin? Octafish Oct 2013 #102

You linked to an article that smeared Bobby Kennedy. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #104

That's not what I wrote or what the article stated. Octafish Oct 2013 #106

You are wrong. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #107

So where did I smear Robert Kennedy, Bolo Boffin? Octafish Oct 2013 #113

When you posted the article that smears him. That's when you did it. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #115

So, I didn't say what you allege and I have to apologize? Octafish Oct 2013 #118

What doesn't escape me is your unwillingness to disavow the smear of RFK. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #120

WOW! zappaman Oct 2013 #114

Tag Team! Octafish Oct 2013 #117

It's not out of context at all zappaman Oct 2013 #121

Tag Team! Yay! Octafish Oct 2013 #125

You didn't answer the question, but you never do. zappaman Oct 2013 #126

Tag Team! Yay! What I wrote 10 years ago today... Octafish Oct 2013 #130

Here's also what you wrote earlier this year... zappaman Oct 2013 #137

Wow, zappaman. You're so wise, you're repeating the same thing twice. Octafish Oct 2013 #141

"Show where Oswald killed JFK or anyone..." Sure. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #195

So what? Bugliosi ignores what we've learned over the past 50 years. Octafish Oct 2013 #226

Bugliosi manifestly does not do that. Thompson's assertion is ludicrous. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #235

So now you don't like Bugliosi? Octafish Oct 2013 #238

I didn't say that, Octafish. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #241

Why should I answer your demands, Bolo Boffin? Octafish Oct 2013 #243

"demands" - you must mean my questions. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #247

I have, all up and down this thread. Octafish Oct 2013 #249

You posted an article that smeared Robert Kennedy and commended the author to us. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #251

No.That's what you said I wrote. Octafish Oct 2013 #254

So what I said you wrote is you commending the author to us? That's where Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #258

No where there did I write what you said, Bolo Boffin. Octafish Oct 2013 #259

You aren't fooling anyone. n/t Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #261

Not my problem. Octafish Oct 2013 #265

America knew the truth the minute Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested. duffyduff Oct 2013 #46

+1000! n-t Logical Oct 2013 #48

Oh no, the grassy knoll people will be freaking out. n-t Logical Oct 2013 #47

50 years later and water is still wet. Rex Oct 2013 #51

Conspiracy theorists are like true religious believers. kiva Oct 2013 #54

The real fervor is from those who have stayed willingly blind through three major "coincidental" villager Oct 2013 #58

And three men who had been opponents of Richard Nixon for the Presidency, Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #72

Coincidences happen. YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #214

Two times is a coincidence Art_from_Ark Oct 2013 #215

In 1964, when the Warren report was issued, meanit Oct 2013 #70

Nothing wrong with being skeptical BootinUp Oct 2013 #73

Those who want to squelch any inquiry may be understood by remembering a quote from Einstein. AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2013 #78

United States House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1976 concluded it was a likely conspiracy. grahamhgreen Oct 2013 #140

Oh dear. The only problem is that conclusion was all based on a very flawed BootinUp Oct 2013 #184

HSCA came to the correct conclusion in spite of CIA obstruction. MinM Oct 2013 #193

Nope. The Dictabelt recorded a motorcycle two miles away from Dealey Plaza. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #194

Admittedly that was the weakest evidence... MinM Oct 2013 #197

That was the only thing that got them to conclude conspiracy. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #198

MinM, the whole basis for the "conspiracy" was the flawed 4th shot nonsense. BootinUp Oct 2013 #199

Skepticism is not the main goal of conspiracy theorists... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #189

I just want a reasonable, coherent explanation for DiverDave Oct 2013 #75

That movie is legendary for its inaccuracies, but sure I know exactly BootinUp Oct 2013 #80

nope, aint no way a ballistic object DiverDave Oct 2013 #171

Your just f'in with me, lol. BootinUp Oct 2013 #182

Easy to fire that fast. The bullet was a full metal jacket bullet, designed to penetrate. GreenStormCloud Oct 2013 #191

How dare they criticize my middle class hobby! The Midway Rebel Oct 2013 #108

Like when the Government swore Iraq had WMDs. Octafish Oct 2013 #149

Wow, a blue link to one of your own posts. The Midway Rebel Oct 2013 #174

Right, like where did you write about lying America into wars for profit? Octafish Oct 2013 #192

Awesome. The Midway Rebel Oct 2013 #202

So, your answer should be: ''I haven't written anything on DU about wars for profit.'' Octafish Oct 2013 #230

I haven't written anything on DU about wars for profit... The Midway Rebel Oct 2013 #277

That was a fairly easily obtained conspiracy. The level of complexity to the JFK assassination... Gravitycollapse Oct 2013 #187

No conspiracy? KamaAina Oct 2013 #112

Fuck that I wouldn't trust the god damn Warren Commission gopiscrap Oct 2013 #150

While there seems to be a few folks interested BootinUp Oct 2013 #204

Mission accomplished. Rex Oct 2013 #207

The responses in this thread prove that conspiratorial thinking is not just for the Right... YoungDemCA Oct 2013 #210

What's amazing is how closed-minded some people are. Octafish Oct 2013 #229

Not amazing, so typical that it is scary. Social engineering seems to work like a charm. Rex Oct 2013 #242

Remember who was elected on a platform to eliminate the Department of Education? Octafish Oct 2013 #246

Amazing. Rex Oct 2013 #248

Remember Steve Kangas? Octafish Oct 2013 #252

I did not know that about Kangas! Rex Oct 2013 #257

Yes, Kangas committed suicide in Scaife's offices. Bolo Boffin Oct 2013 #263

That makes me want to vomit. Some lost soul still trying to sell that POS report. Zen Democrat Oct 2013 #267

Well if you have to, stick your head out the window at least! BootinUp Oct 2013 #270

To the brave 13 who reccd this thread... BootinUp Oct 2013 #271

Nonsense. That anyone can still advance the "official" story as true is laughable. GoneFishin Oct 2013 #276

Why didn't you just post that BootinUp Oct 2013 #278

Because that is not the truth. It's that simple. n/t GoneFishin Nov 2013 #279