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JHB

(37,157 posts)
23. What he describes is at best "salvaged", not "won"
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:18 AM
Oct 2013

Here's the money quote:

At the highest level, President Bush's decision to conduct the surge was exceedingly courageous. His advisers were split on the decision, with many favoring other approaches that in my view would have failed. And as the going did get tougher over the early months of the surge, President Bush's steadfast leadership and his personal commitment to seeing the war through to a successful conclusion (albeit one that might take many years to unfold) took on enormous significance.

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President Bush's commitment had an enormous psychological effect on our men and women in Iraq, as well as on the Iraqi people. Our troopers recognized that we had a chance to do what was needed to reverse the terrible cycle of violence that had gripped Iraq in the throes of civil war. And the citizens of the Land of the Two Rivers realized that there was still hope that the new Iraq could realize the potential that so many had hoped for in the wake of the ousting of Saddam Hussein and the collapse of the Ba'athist regime in 2003.

Nowhere does he mention that everything he writes about was due to the complete, double-barreled failures of Bush: first and foremost for launching the war under false pretenses, and second -- having launched the war -- the absolute and complete failure to maintain order and provide the public with basic security and other needs. Everything in Petraeus's article is about cleaning up the mess that took root because Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and the rest of the neocon PNAC gallery bet the lives of soldiers and civilians that their pet power play could be done on the cheap. And what would they care if it didn't? They got rid of Saddam like they wanted to, and the rest didn't cost them anything, did it? What price did they pay?

Iraq is not a "win", certainly not on the alleged (and now obviously false to anyone not infoxicated) reasons for launching the invasion, nor even on "oust Saddam and let Iraqis move on" grounds. Accepted counterinsurgency doctrine would have required at least twice the number of troops Rumsfeld sent in, with three- or four-times the number more likely to be effective. Of course, troop levels that high would have made it impossible to keep claiming that the war could be done quickly and cheaply, which would have changed the political calculations of those who voted for the AUMF. So the Bushies said whatever would get their foot in the door, and to hell with whoever paid the actual price for it.

That observation is glaringly absent from Petraeus' talk about his "win".

Info from a Tampa man DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #1
Though it was a typo, "ridiclue" is my new favorite word Recursion Oct 2013 #6
hey DonCoquixote Oct 2013 #13
Once again announcing himself to be a world-class asswipe jsr Oct 2013 #2
"Iraq today looks tragically similar to the Iraq of 2006" joshcryer Oct 2013 #3
? Recursion Oct 2013 #7
He does. joshcryer Oct 2013 #15
2013 is pretty close muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #19
Fair enough Recursion Oct 2013 #20
I don't know if the kidnapping is still significant muriel_volestrangler Oct 2013 #21
It looks like low-grade civil war to me in the west. bemildred Oct 2013 #25
+1 Festivito Oct 2013 #18
Careful malaise Oct 2013 #4
Blowing an innocent country to smithereens newfie11 Oct 2013 #5
I like your thinking .. we need to send you Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author newfie11 Oct 2013 #12
or 'How we paid off the warlords so we could pretend we won' KG Oct 2013 #9
We won? B Calm Oct 2013 #10
We really really really lost. Enthusiast Oct 2013 #22
We all know what the war profiteers won, but what exactly did 'we' win in Iraq? Snake Plissken Oct 2013 #11
Lying liars and the lies... sendero Oct 2013 #14
All we won was the hatred and loathing of the rest of the World. another_liberal Oct 2013 #16
Agree with everything you said.... ReRe Oct 2013 #17
No doubt he'll get a hero's welcome . . . another_liberal Nov 2013 #30
That bunch just can't believe... ReRe Nov 2013 #32
What he describes is at best "salvaged", not "won" JHB Oct 2013 #23
Petraeus' new talk is on Ichingcarpenter Oct 2013 #26
So ... "Mission Accomplished" ???? JoePhilly Oct 2013 #24
obviously petraeus doesn't know shit from shinola. he's in the war business, what else would he say spanone Oct 2013 #27
We even lost what we wanted the most -- Chinese companies were selected by Iraq govt SDjack Oct 2013 #28
With foreward by Ted Cruz Blue Owl Oct 2013 #29
That's the Orwellian newspeak world we live in. marmar Nov 2013 #31
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