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PeaceNikki

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50. No, it doesn't, applegrove. That phrase is harmful
Wed Nov 13, 2013, 10:42 PM
Nov 2013

We should discuss the harm, stigma and confusion that can be caused by the words we choose. ESPECIALLY with people who support choice and may not realize the potential harm or that the party has updated the language. The words in question of this thread are "safe, legal and rare" - specifically taking note of the word rare. In context of abortion (not unwanted pregnancies, abortion). The national party removed it because of the fact it's open to interpretation... and all of the reasons outlined in this OP.

*I* get that you and other liberals are very very likely to fully support choice. *I* get what you *MEAN* by rare. We *all* want to make unwanted pregnancies rare... but do you not see, even a little, how using the "rare" language can be harmful? There have been massive attacks in every state on abortion since 1989. And they are getting worse. And, as such, I feel it's incredibly important to discuss how our language forms our societal beliefs and vice versa. To quote LeftyMom from another thread...


LeftyMom
19. That's the political genius and moral cowardice of the phrase.
To pro-choice people it means "unplanned pregnancies shouldn't be common, for women's sake." To the mushy middle it means "abortions for deserving women but not for those trampy other women." To anti-choicers it means "let's whittle away at legalized abortion even if we can't get a ban past the Supremes yet."

It's a political Rorschach ink blot. It means what you want it to mean.

I have had at least 2 conversations here with people who literally said, "oh, hey. wow - I really hadn't thought about it like that, I will change my language". Others have been nasty, combative, dismissive and rude. And there's been a lot in between.

Bottom line - it's a discussion. This is a discussion board. It's an important topic to me and I thought to many other DUers. Again- the word that causes confusion, anger, harm, etc was REMOVED from the party platform for these reasons. It's just weird that so many DUers are fighting it.


Here is this is the Democratic Party altered platform (with "safe, legal, rare" removed):

Protecting A Woman's Right to Choose. The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to make decisions regarding her pregnancy, including a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay. We oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right. Abortion is an intensely personal decision between a woman, her family, her doctor, and her clergy; there is no place for politicians or government to get in the way. We also recognize that health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. We strongly and unequivocally support a woman's decision to have a child by providing affordable health care and ensuring the availability of and access to programs that help women during pregnancy and after the birth of a child, including caring adoption programs.


See? It's possible to support all of the things you discussed and leave the frequency out of the policy discussion to avoid the confusion and/or potential harm.

Ideally, abortion rates drop as a byproduct of the rest but we keep the focus on what it should be. We typically don't fight to expand access to something we want to be rare.

The discussion of this is not new. It's just new to DU. It's not that controversial.

In conclusion: correct, we should not use 'rare' in context to abortion.

Ever.

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And DUers should lead in supporting the legal procedure leftstreet Nov 2013 #1
With 'personal opinions' comes personal stories... whttevrr Nov 2013 #3
K & R! theHandpuppet Nov 2013 #2
a million times: yes PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #4
I'm thinking I should post something every time I see one of these news stories... whttevrr Nov 2013 #7
thank you, thank you, thank you. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #8
Yeah... I saw that... whttevrr Nov 2013 #9
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #15
. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #17
Enjoy your stay... whttevrr Nov 2013 #18
I almost alerted... whttevrr Nov 2013 #19
Someone did. Results here pintobean Nov 2013 #21
I know... It was a nasty post. whttevrr Nov 2013 #23
I was the alerter. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #24
Thank you... whttevrr Nov 2013 #26
me, too. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #29
The picture - TBF Nov 2013 #77
I remember... whttevrr Nov 2013 #81
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #84
Sad state of affairs. K&R freshwest Nov 2013 #5
pisses me off to no end noiretextatique Nov 2013 #6
How about the GOP is using abortion to run in 2014. And applegrove Nov 2013 #10
Oh please... whttevrr Nov 2013 #11
You working for them now? REP Nov 2013 #33
Stop being so damn scared of the Republicans. Spit in those fuckers' faces, they deserve it! nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #34
You do not understand the crisis situation we are in with regards to abortion rights. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #37
I understand that the GOP wants to paint any abortion after 20 weeks applegrove Nov 2013 #49
No, it doesn't, applegrove. That phrase is harmful PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #50
I would prefer safe, legal and available... whttevrr Nov 2013 #51
there's no reason that only a three word description is allowed TorchTheWitch Nov 2013 #79
I think you're preaching to the choir here... whttevrr Nov 2013 #82
Oooooh, we gotta worry about what the republicans say about us now. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #47
OK. Here's a post. LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #12
Thanks! whttevrr Nov 2013 #13
... LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #14
k&r Starry Messenger Nov 2013 #16
Correct Ohio Joe Nov 2013 #20
Becky Bell, 18, died 1988 of a back alley abortion uppityperson Nov 2013 #22
So sad. RIP, Becky. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #28
That is tragic... whttevrr Nov 2013 #30
Also, it's civil rights for 50% of the damn country. NuclearDem Nov 2013 #25
Oh yeah, that too... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #36
51% whttevrr Nov 2013 #60
K&R Jamastiene Nov 2013 #27
how long can you beat a dead horse? Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #31
Depends... whttevrr Nov 2013 #32
And 2012 was just as bad PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #35
"I will not stand down. I will not shut up. " whttevrr Nov 2013 #44
Interesting that you liken discussing the assualt on women's rights to.... etherealtruth Nov 2013 #38
most of the theads have been Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #39
The anti-choice movement is able to impose these restrictions because we aren't stopping them. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #41
but co trilling other duers thoughts Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #46
The core attitude of the soft-support pro-choicers needs to change. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #48
the threads have been about the anti choice movements in government etherealtruth Nov 2013 #43
and yet you are still kind enough to come and kick this thread. uppityperson Nov 2013 #40
I would like to see more threads discussing the legislative Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #42
Are people motivated to expand/restore access to something they scream should be RARE? PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #45
like duers who think it should Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #55
maybe, yes. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #56
Here is one about legislation for you, just like you asked for. You are welcome. uppityperson Nov 2013 #52
Oh... ha ha ha... I see what you did there... whttevrr Nov 2013 #54
So you were not trying to control discussion in this thread? whttevrr Nov 2013 #53
I was just stating my opinion Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #57
Then we are in agreement? whttevrr Nov 2013 #58
not your op specifically Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #61
K & R historylovr Nov 2013 #59
I don't get the complaints. Regressive energy is expansive, apparently. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #62
It's just so horrific to have to kill an unborn child. Yet, I support pro-choice. Beausoir Nov 2013 #63
Did you just say that abortion is murder? idwiyo Nov 2013 #64
Yeah... he did... whttevrr Nov 2013 #65
I alerted on it, lets see what jury decides. Next one will be asking Skinner idwiyo Nov 2013 #66
Now I have to wait to see what happens... whttevrr Nov 2013 #67
See below. This is like living in a Twilight Zone. idwiyo Nov 2013 #69
Well, it's 3-3 to Leave. Because you know, they didn't mean it that way. idwiyo Nov 2013 #68
What one can spout right wing nutty abortion crap and because boston bean Nov 2013 #72
Yes, exactly what you said: idwiyo Nov 2013 #73
Are you fucking kidding me? LeftyMom Nov 2013 #70
Never mind, jury think it's OK to let it stand, beleive it or not. idwiyo Nov 2013 #71
Right wing bullshit. Disgusting. nt DLevine Nov 2013 #74
Here's the thing. This poster doesn't quantify this as his own personal feelings. boston bean Nov 2013 #78
Agreed. DLevine Nov 2013 #80
There's a lot of hateful little fucks out there. whttevrr Nov 2013 #83
I do know that. What is so hard is my continuing participation on a website boston bean Nov 2013 #85
Your words are horrific. PeaceNikki Nov 2013 #76
K&R. nt DLevine Nov 2013 #75
Another reason to discuss safe, legal and Available? Mexican Misoprostol! whttevrr Nov 2013 #86
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