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Octafish

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25. So the new smear is I'm in it for the money?
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 03:35 PM
Nov 2013

That's disinformation or misinformation, depending on your rationale. No problem. CIA printed up instructions for their assets in the American news media (illegal at the time, but since made A-OK when "everything changed" after 9-11):

CIA Document #1035-960, marked "PSYCH" for presumably Psychological Warfare Operations, in the division "CS", the Clandestine Services, sometimes known as the "dirty tricks" department.



CIA Instructions to Media Assets

RE: Concerning Criticism of the Warren Report

1. Our Concern. From the day of President Kennedy's assassination on, there has been speculation about the responsibility for his murder. Although this was stemmed for a time by the Warren Commission report, (which appeared at the end of September 1964), various writers have now had time to scan the Commission's published report and documents for new pretexts for questioning, and there has been a new wave of books and articles criticizing the Commission's findings. In most cases the critics have speculated as to the existence of some kind of conspiracy, and often they have implied that the Commission itself was involved. Presumably as a result of the increasing challenge to the Warren Commission's report, a public opinion poll recently indicated that 46% of the American public did not think that Oswald acted alone, while more than half of those polled thought that the Commission had left some questions unresolved. Doubtless polls abroad would show similar, or possibly more adverse results.

2. This trend of opinion is a matter of concern to the U.S. government, including our organization. The members of the Warren Commission were naturally chosen for their integrity, experience and prominence. They represented both major parties, and they and their staff were deliberately drawn from all sections of the country. Just because of the standing of the Commissioners, efforts to impugn their rectitude and wisdom tend to cast doubt on the whole leadership of American society. Moreover, there seems to be an increasing tendency to hint that President Johnson himself, as the one person who might be said to have benefited, was in some way responsible for the assassination. Innuendo of such seriousness affects not only the individual concerned, but also the whole reputation of the American government. Our organization itself is directly involved: among other facts, we contributed information to the investigation. Conspiracy theories have frequently thrown suspicion on our organization, for example by falsely alleging that Lee Harvey Oswald worked for us. The aim of this dispatch is to provide material countering and discrediting the claims of the conspiracy theorists, so as to inhibit the circulation of such claims in other countries. Background information is supplied in a classified section and in a number of unclassified attachments.

3. Action. We do not recommend that discussion of the assassination question be initiated where it is not already taking place. Where discussion is active addresses are requested:

a. To discuss the publicity problem with (?)and friendly elite contacts (especially politicians and editors), pointing out that the Warren Commission made as thorough an investigation as humanly possible, that the charges of the critics are without serious foundation, and that further speculative discussion only plays into the hands of the opposition. Point out also that parts of the conspiracy talk appear to be deliberately generated by Communist propagandists. Urge them to use their influence to discourage unfounded and irresponsible speculation.

b. To employ propaganda assets to and refute the attacks of the critics. Book reviews and feature articles are particularly appropriate for this purpose. The unclassified attachments to this guidance should provide useful background material for passing to assets. Our ploy should point out, as applicable, that the critics are (I) wedded to theories adopted before the evidence was in, (II) politically interested, (III) financially interested, (IV) hasty and inaccurate in their research, or (V) infatuated with their own theories. In the course of discussions of the whole phenomenon of criticism, a useful strategy may be to single out Epstein's theory for attack, using the attached Fletcher article and Spectator piece for background. (Although Mark Lane's book is much less convincing that Epstein's and comes off badly where confronted by knowledgeable critics, it is also much more difficult to answer as a whole, as one becomes lost in a morass of unrelated details.)

4. In private to media discussions not directed at any particular writer, or in attacking publications which may be yet forthcoming, the following arguments should be useful:

a. No significant new evidence has emerged which the Commission did not consider. The assassination is sometimes compared (e.g., by Joachim Joesten and Bertrand Russell) with the Dreyfus case; however, unlike that case, the attack on the Warren Commission have produced no new evidence, no new culprits have been convincingly identified, and there is no agreement among the critics. (A better parallel, though an imperfect one, might be with the Reichstag fire of 1933, which some competent historians (Fritz Tobias, AJ.P. Taylor, D.C. Watt) now believe was set by Vander Lubbe on his own initiative, without acting for either Nazis or Communists; the Nazis tried to pin the blame on the Communists, but the latter have been more successful in convincing the world that the Nazis were to blame.)

b. Critics usually overvalue particular items and ignore others. They tend to place more emphasis on the recollections of individual witnesses (which are less reliable and more divergent--and hence offer more hand-holds for criticism) and less on ballistics, autopsy, and photographic evidence. A close examination of the Commission's records will usually show that the conflicting eyewitness accounts are quoted out of context, or were discarded by the Commission for good and sufficient reason.

c. Conspiracy on the large scale often suggested would be impossible to conceal in the United States, esp. since informants could expect to receive large royalties, etc. Note that Robert Kennedy, Attorney General at the time and John F. Kennedy's brother, would be the last man to overlook or conceal any conspiracy. And as one reviewer pointed out, Congressman Gerald R. Ford would hardly have held his tongue for the sake of the Democratic administration, and Senator Russell would have had every political interest in exposing any misdeeds on the part of Chief Justice Warren. A conspirator moreover would hardly choose a location for a shooting where so much depended on conditions beyond his control: the route, the speed of the cars, the moving target, the risk that the assassin would be discovered. A group of wealthy conspirators could have arranged much more secure conditions.

d. Critics have often been enticed by a form of intellectual pride: they light on some theory and fall in love with it; they also scoff at the Commission because it did not always answer every question with a flat decision one way or the other. Actually, the make-up of the Commission and its staff was an excellent safeguard against over-commitment to any one theory, or against the illicit transformation of probabilities into certainties.

e. Oswald would not have been any sensible person's choice for a co-conspirator. He was a "loner," mixed up, of questionable reliability and an unknown quantity to any professional intelligence service. (Archivist's note: This claim is demonstrably untrue with the latest file releases. The CIA had an operational interest in Oswald less than a month before the assassination. Source: Oswald and the CIA, John Newman and newly released files from the National Archives.)

f. As to charges that the Commission's report was a rush job, it emerged three months after the deadline originally set. But to the degree that the Commission tried to speed up its reporting, this was largely due to the pressure of irresponsible speculation already appearing, in some cases coming from the same critics who, refusing to admit their errors, are now putting out new criticisms.

g. Such vague accusations as that "more than ten people have died mysteriously" can always be explained in some natural way e.g.: the individuals concerned have for the most part died of natural causes; the Commission staff questioned 418 witnesses (the FBI interviewed far more people, conduction 25,000 interviews and re interviews), and in such a large group, a certain number of deaths are to be expected. (When Penn Jones, one of the originators of the "ten mysterious deaths" line, appeared on television, it emerged that two of the deaths on his list were from heart attacks, one from cancer, one was from a head-on collision on a bridge, and one occurred when a driver drifted into a bridge abutment.)

5. Where possible, counter speculation by encouraging reference to the Commission's Report itself. Open-minded foreign readers should still be impressed by the care, thoroughness, objectivity and speed with which the Commission worked. Reviewers of other books might be encouraged to add to their account the idea that, checking back with the report itself, they found it far superior to the work of its critics.

SOURCE: http://www.boston.com/community/forums/news/national/general/cia-instructions-to-media-assets-doc-1035-960/80/6210620

From 2003, first OP on DU I could find on it: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x765619



So rather than an open investigation, where the facts can be examined in public, the instructions call for an attack on the messenger. Could it be that the CIA has something to hide?

First: CIA agents monitored Oswald in the weeks before the assassination.

Second: Top CIA officials knew Oswald was impersonated in Mexico City before the assassination.

Third: Former CIA director, fired by JFK, Allen Dulles kept this information from the Warren Commission.

These are the FACTS most Americans SHOULD know, but they don't. Because the government and its toadies in the press say, "Case closed. Move on. Nothing to see here."

Sorry, zappaman. I've heard that story for 50 years and seen the nation nearly ruined by wars for profit. That un-democratic authoritarian garbage doesn't cut it for me.

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yup zappaman Nov 2013 #1
lol nt BootinUp Nov 2013 #2
Bwahahaha! Brickbat Nov 2013 #6
lol treestar Nov 2013 #13
Exactly my thoughts too. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #22
LOL DanTex Nov 2013 #37
So apt! lol. NutmegYankee Nov 2013 #51
And for your next magical trick? hobbit709 Nov 2013 #3
sure will be glad when these Kennedy CT threads dry-up . . . DrDan Nov 2013 #4
I'll give this as much credence as I give the birthers, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #5
Makes sense. Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #7
If you can't trust "a principal in small film production company" to have an undoctored video, arcane1 Nov 2013 #8
And here he is! randome Nov 2013 #9
(Yawn!) DinahMoeHum Nov 2013 #10
This should be good. The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #11
Hoax treestar Nov 2013 #12
Not a hoax.... whistler162 Nov 2013 #34
If true, it might convince a few skeptics. Octafish Nov 2013 #14
I was praying for something like this last night, something to finally expose the undeniable truth Chrom Nov 2013 #15
It's a hoax, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #16
Octafish hangs his hat on literally anything BootinUp Nov 2013 #17
!!!!!! zappaman Nov 2013 #19
So the new smear is I'm in it for the money? Octafish Nov 2013 #25
How is that a smear, when the guy himself says he wants to sell it to the highest bidder? arcane1 Nov 2013 #30
This is just standard operating procedure. zappaman Nov 2013 #46
that will totally happen arely staircase Nov 2013 #76
Oh forgot to say zappaman Nov 2013 #78
You do realize the CIA can't conduct domestic investigations, yes? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #50
Don't worry. The law never stopped CIA. Octafish Nov 2013 #56
So you wouldn't be satisfied unless the CIA broke the law? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #62
"You do realize the CIA can't conduct domestic investigations" And you are positive that they rhett o rick Nov 2013 #93
I'm positive the expectation of them doing so is more than a bit misguided Major Nikon Nov 2013 #96
I have no problem with anyone that thinks Oswald acted alone. My problem is with those that want rhett o rick Nov 2013 #103
There is mocking, nut calling, and bullying on all sides in a forum. BootinUp Nov 2013 #104
Oh please. That's a sad rationalization. I wont deny that it's not 100% to 0%, but it rhett o rick Nov 2013 #106
I'm somewhat agnostic about the whole thing Major Nikon Nov 2013 #105
I agree that there are a lots of folks that like to throw shit against the wall. rhett o rick Nov 2013 #107
Try 50,000. link BootinUp Nov 2013 #113
3(a): Dulles had been fired by JFK, yet became one of 7 members of the Warren Commission. snot Nov 2013 #82
Dulles on WC was the ultimate conflict-of-interest. Octafish Nov 2013 #84
That's why I include my sources in my posts. Octafish Nov 2013 #23
Name one (1) popular conspiracy theory BootinUp Nov 2013 #27
Here you go, courtesy of Conspiracy Debunker John McAdams' website: Octafish Nov 2013 #41
I'm so surprised. Not. lol. BootinUp Nov 2013 #47
So, rather than being surprised by a known disinformationist, why not show where I'm wrong? Octafish Nov 2013 #48
Just leave the post unedited so everyone else can be as not surprised BootinUp Nov 2013 #49
Where have I edited a post so people would get the wrong impression about you? Octafish Nov 2013 #57
Lol zappaman Nov 2013 #61
Data-dumps give the impression of authority and distract people from simple, relevant points greyl Nov 2013 #31
A better term for it is "Gish gallop." Archae Nov 2013 #35
Yep, that right there. nt greyl Nov 2013 #36
+100 zappaman Nov 2013 #38
But the blue links are so pretty, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #39
Had the same thought here!! nt eqfan592 Nov 2013 #77
How IS the Amazing Randi, greyl? Octafish Nov 2013 #42
Did I mention distracting people? greyl Nov 2013 #120
Did you know that the word "gullible" is not in the dictionary? Seriously. Look it up. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #18
Okay...you made me laugh 'til I had to go pee! DUzy!! nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #24
really? backwoodsbob Nov 2013 #54
I can't venture a guess as to its legitimacy until viewing it. Octafish Nov 2013 #58
wow backwoodsbob Nov 2013 #65
Yes, it does. It means to give an honest evaluation, one must first see the footage. Octafish Nov 2013 #66
we can all improve reading comprehension through practice backwoodsbob Nov 2013 #67
Yet you critique The Warren Commission Report and Bugliosi's book without reading them? zappaman Nov 2013 #74
No need to lie about me, zappaman. I read the Warren report. Octafish Nov 2013 #79
16, not counting the one you're afraid to read. zappaman Nov 2013 #80
Keep on lying. Octafish Nov 2013 #81
Uh huh... zappaman Nov 2013 #89
Maybe when I'm done reading more important books. Octafish Nov 2013 #94
Thank you! zappaman Nov 2013 #97
Are you afraid of being a quaint artifact of American history? The Midway Rebel Nov 2013 #91
How about the 2000 election? That wasn't a conspiracy, right? Octafish Nov 2013 #92
Now that the 5oth anniversary of the assassination has passed zappaman Nov 2013 #98
Wrong. Why spread what Allen Dulles wants you to say, zappaman? Octafish Nov 2013 #102
Bugliosi is such a joke! wildbilln864 Nov 2013 #99
He was right about George Bush. zappaman Nov 2013 #100
yes he was right! wildbilln864 Nov 2013 #101
That footage aired in February of 1992 pintobean Nov 2013 #20
Wow, that is funny! But some CTs here will use it as proof. n-t Logical Nov 2013 #26
Is this the level to which JFK conspiracies have deteriorated? Paladin Nov 2013 #21
"Bowen is hoping to sell the footage to the highest bidder" struggle4progress Nov 2013 #28
People sell legitimate historical artifacts for the best price all the time. avaistheone1 Nov 2013 #43
He says he footage was taken by a Houston news producer on November 22, 1963 arely staircase Nov 2013 #29
Picky picky picky. News footage can easily pile up on the editor's desk, and it can take a few days struggle4progress Nov 2013 #114
well yeah there is that nt arely staircase Nov 2013 #116
Fifty years, however, does seem an excessive backlog struggle4progress Nov 2013 #117
but like you said arely staircase Nov 2013 #119
On the day... bobclark86 Nov 2013 #118
Photo of the Grassy Knoll gunman! Archae Nov 2013 #32
This just in, Ranchemp. Nov 2013 #33
LOL n/t lordsummerisle Nov 2013 #69
Area Man Can Remember Exactly Where He Was, What He Was Doing When He Assassinated John F. Kennedy duffyduff Nov 2013 #40
FFS Hosts, do your duty... SidDithers Nov 2013 #44
In the 70's Mort Saul showed a video Politicalboi Nov 2013 #45
i have a shrunken alien head that i'll let go for ten bucks...honest spanone Nov 2013 #52
Great Jeebus! JimboBillyBubbaBob Nov 2013 #53
If the forum hosts are going to leave this, I'd like to hear why. The SOP violation seems obvious stevenleser Nov 2013 #55
there seems to have been an editorial decision arely staircase Nov 2013 #59
Hosts generally ignore the "no conspiracy theories" part of the SOP... SidDithers Nov 2013 #108
"Bowen decided the 50th anniversary of JFK’s death was a good time to bring it to market" struggle4progress Nov 2013 #60
The National Enquirer might pay $100.... HooptieWagon Nov 2013 #63
It's Andy Kaufman wrestling a woman ! RagAss Nov 2013 #64
Let's talk again AFTER it's been shown JHB Nov 2013 #68
Could this be a still frame from the film ? RagAss Nov 2013 #70
Proof that the 1 bullet theory is valid as Barney was only allowed to have 1 bullet. Kaleva Nov 2013 #75
I'm already convinced just from the article. nyquil_man Nov 2013 #71
almost certain to be BS salo99 Nov 2013 #72
wecome to DU gopiscrap Nov 2013 #73
NO ONE here can know whether this footage is authentic or even helpful one way or the other, snot Nov 2013 #83
What took him so long? polichick Nov 2013 #85
That's what I thought Rosa Luxemburg Nov 2013 #87
Honestly, it might not be safe to come out now. polichick Nov 2013 #88
They had me at, "while no one has yet viewed the footage" cthulu2016 Nov 2013 #86
There's one born every minute. GoneOffShore Nov 2013 #90
'You can see a guy in the bushes with a gun,' the source told The Wrap. MADem Nov 2013 #95
I have footage of the birth of Christ Aerows Nov 2013 #109
I welcome anything that could possibly bring closure to the case. roamer65 Nov 2013 #110
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #111
You never know...nope. Waiting to see the film. eom Purveyor Nov 2013 #112
Same here. I'll believe it when I see it. n/r RebelOne Nov 2013 #115
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