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libdem4life

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106. Loved the article...wonderful news. And I like the EW Wing of the Party...she's earned it.
Mon Nov 25, 2013, 12:27 AM
Nov 2013

But it feels to me like a single-issue political attraction. Anti-corporation ... there is no reason as of yet to believe she wishes to do anything other than to take them to task. The caveat to that is that we have found another Messiah. I remember the Obama Messiah group...and the outrage when he didn't deliver the anticipated miracles. And the Democrats were the loudest.

Her work is the entire reset of the exceedingly complicated and inner workings of the foundation of our economy, yea the global economy. This doesn't happen with sound bites or on a checklist of To Dos. She just may be able to pull off some real miracles in this arena.

JP Morgan Chase paid their first, huge fine for their European manipulations. Recently, they paid a rather large one here with more to come. I firmly believe that her unique ability, personal magnetism (startling for an economist in a numbers-crunching world), and passion will enable her to do far and away more than she could being shuttered in as a president, forced to deal with the global political melange that keeps all Presidents dangerously close to the political cliff.

Presidents have little direct power over the economy and that's her work. Being in the Senate on the Banking Committee is the most powerful position for her influence, guidance, and ability to use her own bully pulpit for the good of all the Parties and even the non-voters...we, all the people for real, and she is able to make people understand. Comes from her career as a law professor.

The following article...it's long but fascinating and instructive. The President's power is immense as being the global leader ... wars, complex foreign negotiations, relationships with experienced world leaders such as the G-8 and G-20 ... presidencies are made and lost there. (The striking photo of JFK and RFK is worth a click to see.) Not economics...at least economics over which they have any power. The dearth of job programs and disappointing job growth figures is not because of PBOs intransigence or failure. But he gets blamed for it on a daily basis. I do not see Warren fitting into this scenario. We would lose a rare jewel.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/history-archaeology/Power-and-the-Presidency-From-Kennedy-to-Obama.html

Obama has had a hard first term because he Was Not a Washington Insider. He didn't know how it worked, didn't have the alliances and relationships needed to push through his agenda. He was politically weak because of that...not because he was incapable or lacking determination or a weak person.

Also, because Populism doesn't work for a president. It may help get him elected, and there may be incidental or incremental gains, but there are more populist groups at the national level. Even more restrictive is the Federal Bureaucracy, which exists fairly permanently and operates independently even as Presidents come and go.

Someone reminded me that Carter may have been the only "Liberal" president in my life as I noticed all have been Centrists during my lifetime...starting with Truman. That is not a comforting political notation. He was brilliant, a warm and caring human being, mostly liberal, but easily the most failed President in recent history. He, also, was a Washington Outsider.

She is not a Washington Insider and she would be the first woman...tough row to hoe. I can see her as Majority Leader of the Senate or Treasury Secretary, although I selfishly want her to continue harassing the murky Robber Barons milking the middle-class and bring their asses to justice, at best, or back in line at least. Without her in this role, they will skate off with more of our national treasure...taxpayers funds...repossessed homes...bankrupted students via their usurious loans...cutting out on regulations...blocking further regulations...the list goes on. No one person has been able to do much of anything. This is Huge. Elizabeth Warren is the person for it.

I pray that all this Progressive Presidential Pleading does not deter her from her focus on what she does best...take the corporations to the proverbial woodshed. Again, at the risk of being repetitive, as President she can do Very Little About Corporate Thievery, their reproducing like bunnies, and free rein to operate back in the shadows. And, as a candidate, she'd need to be in a position to be required to take their money...one way or the other...and that's not even smart. I think she knows that, as she's a smart person.

Last of all, I have little knowledge on her political positions on the vast regions of global politics other than economics. I'm going to assume she's pro-choice. But what about the TPP? Has she said anything about that? That is definitely within her field and important to Progressives. Where is she on war...we have Armageddon potentially emerging in the Middle East. One or two assassinations away from possible chaos. Foreign policy? Single Payer health insurance? Is her family on board? (I hear that's a no) Does she have any health problems?

Very little vetting has been done. The Republicans will hate her worse than Hillary and I don't need to state the obvious reasons, the least of which being she is a female. They will devour her with her inexperience, if nothing else. She doesn't appear to be the type that would take that well, at all.

Teachers and Professors excel at being in control...the ones setting the classroom stage, providing the information and asking the questions, because they know the answers. Politicians/Presidents have to think, act and speak on their feet in a variety of venues, to a variety of interests, questions and even taunting.

I hope she stays the course.





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The Hillary camp is not liking this at all 4dsc Nov 2013 #1
Sadly, it wouldn't be difficult to discredit the Clinton camp. Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #4
The mere mention of the word 'Walmart' should send them to the Vomitorium. Octafish Nov 2013 #12
I already tell every progressive outfit that wants me to sign a petition Raksha Nov 2013 #63
I'm with you. CrispyQ Nov 2013 #102
We need to return to being the party of working people, the middle class and the poor. JDPriestly Nov 2013 #33
Progressives need only throw a dollar in the street MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #14
Only if the street is named Wall Jack Rabbit Nov 2013 #26
I sure wish I could say you are all wrong with that last sentence. But I can't. n/t A Simple Game Nov 2013 #78
I wish I could say that I am wrong with that last sentence, too Jack Rabbit Nov 2013 #80
I can't think of a better example, and if I did try, it would probably hurt too much. n/t A Simple Game Nov 2013 #81
If that's all it takes, tblue Nov 2013 #39
You're so cynical, Manny. You're off base on this one. Jackpine Radical Nov 2013 #46
Wow, three Elizabeth Warren stickers in a row on this thread! Raksha Nov 2013 #65
one more sticker. Whisp Nov 2013 #69
And another Scuba Nov 2013 #94
Then we need to back them up in that fight. JimDandy Nov 2013 #20
The "Hillary camp" needs to recognize there's a new sheriff in town, her name is Elizabeth. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #30
Warren is in the Hillary camp AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #45
Hillery yeoman6987 Nov 2013 #54
Latest 3rd way strategy: Refer to Senator Warren by the diminutive, "Liz" Divernan Nov 2013 #57
it isn't even about "liz," so much as it's about the distaste for more centrist, third way.. frylock Nov 2013 #58
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #61
It' syour kind of defeatist thinking that not only loses us elections, cui bono Nov 2013 #62
I agree with you on all counts. Raksha Nov 2013 #66
Bingo! Scuba Nov 2013 #95
Mrs. Clinton couldn't win a primary in 2008; she's far more id'd w/ corporate interests now. Divernan Nov 2013 #64
Excuse me... what is blue14u Nov 2013 #67
I'm tired of that meme already as well davidpdx Nov 2013 #92
Excellent! City Lights Nov 2013 #2
I'm gonna have to fredamae Nov 2013 #3
I'm thinking of buying one of those Elizabeth Warren hoodies. Baitball Blogger Nov 2013 #5
Yep! It's chilly outside :) n/t fredamae Nov 2013 #9
I registered as a Dem to influence the party, not to be a blind follower. backscatter712 Nov 2013 #10
I did that fredamae Nov 2013 #16
Good for you!!!! blue14u Nov 2013 #70
Here's the thing hollowdweller Nov 2013 #6
Good points. n/t JimDandy Nov 2013 #21
I hope the days of the namby-pamby Democrats are over soon. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #7
Nice Politicub Nov 2013 #8
yes it is! nt Mojorabbit Nov 2013 #31
I always K&R good news in the morning. zeemike Nov 2013 #11
Warren is untested! MannyGoldstein Nov 2013 #13
It's her turn, Manny. How dare anyone even consider anyone else. LuvNewcastle Nov 2013 #15
Oh Manny...You do have a way blue14u Nov 2013 #72
Kicked and recommended a whole bunch.....nt Enthusiast Nov 2013 #17
I'm suspicious.... docgee Nov 2013 #18
Oh I'm sure the media will play this up........ socialist_n_TN Nov 2013 #23
Warren/Sanders or Sanders/Warren would make a nice ticket. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #19
Oh yeah. That. ^^^ tblue Nov 2013 #37
Love the sound of that first one! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #40
not if you want to win Dustin DeWinde Nov 2013 #51
I'm a Democrat and a Socialist. So, I don't mind if a Dem runs with a Socialist or vice-versa. Tierra_y_Libertad Nov 2013 #53
my point is that Dustin DeWinde Nov 2013 #55
Ugh...Debbie WASSERMAN Schultz???? NorthCarolina Nov 2013 #77
is there a different Debbie Schultz? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #89
lol. no he's not a "registered socialist". that's ridiculous. cali Nov 2013 #86
Schultz is cut from the same corporate cloth as HRC - no thanks. polichick Nov 2013 #97
everyone has their own views Dustin DeWinde Nov 2013 #103
Honestly, I like what Warren has been saying and the issues she... polichick Nov 2013 #104
fair enough. Dustin DeWinde Nov 2013 #105
As opposed to the CORPORATE WING. Octafish Nov 2013 #22
What a tragic loss libodem Nov 2013 #28
Odd, the timing. Octafish Nov 2013 #34
Paul will always have a special place in my heart. What a guy. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #41
Warren not getting the CFPB post may have been the best favor Repubs gave the Dems (n/t) thesquanderer Nov 2013 #24
if the warren wing gets elected, the might have to actually govern. KG Nov 2013 #25
Kicking libodem Nov 2013 #27
yes!!! gopiscrap Nov 2013 #29
Warren 2016 cantbeserious Nov 2013 #32
They're the only ones worth a damn. tblue Nov 2013 #35
There's a few more, but not many. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #42
Let's get it done in 2014, then 2016 will take care of itself.. mountain grammy Nov 2013 #36
Where do I sign up? lol InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2013 #43
totally agree. first things first. Dustin DeWinde Nov 2013 #52
I love your enthusiasm!!! blue14u Nov 2013 #75
Why is there an "insert Democrat's name" wing of the Democratic party every election cycle? wyldwolf Nov 2013 #38
She is not as liberal as you think. I figure she will eventually say or do something OKNancy Nov 2013 #44
Oh, I don't feel I have a complete grasp on her positions across the board at all. TheKentuckian Nov 2013 #50
so it's EW,who was a repug until she matured and wised up vs backwoodsbob Nov 2013 #56
Mrs. Clinton was a very active Republican at one point. Divernan Nov 2013 #59
Sounds a lot like Warren leaving the Republicans over financial crime n/t eridani Nov 2013 #71
No comparison, she was only 17 years old. Beacool Nov 2013 #73
HRC is corporate - no question. And Warren is saying all the right things... polichick Nov 2013 #98
true about Hillary, but she left at age 17 or 18, Warren in her mid-forties OKNancy Nov 2013 #100
k&r for Elizabeth Warren. n/t Laelth Nov 2013 #47
Progressive Change Campaign Committee ...this is how we do it. L0oniX Nov 2013 #48
K&R. Glad to hear it. Overseas Nov 2013 #49
GOOD !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Nov 2013 #60
Imagin the Army of Volunteers WRH2 Nov 2013 #68
How about that! nt silvershadow Nov 2013 #74
I love this!!! A dream blue14u Nov 2013 #76
I want a Progressive Democrat as the POTUS Flatpicker Nov 2013 #79
I guess this is where Elizabeth Warren was meant to be! AAO Nov 2013 #82
The Reality is that Warren is not running .. and we can be sure Hillary IS !! She's so coy. YOHABLO Nov 2013 #83
I hope so. I really do. DissidentVoice Nov 2013 #84
About-damn-time. n/t Fearless Nov 2013 #85
K&R DeSwiss Nov 2013 #87
Is anyone really fucking surprised? Remember what happened to the Economy? Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #88
, blkmusclmachine Nov 2013 #90
Kicked for Recognition. bluedeathray Nov 2013 #91
knr Douglas Carpenter Nov 2013 #93
We need to keep at it - TBF Nov 2013 #96
Warren doesn't have Clinton's tangled web of financial/political payback obligations. Divernan Nov 2013 #99
YES, THIS. Titonwan Nov 2013 #101
Loved the article...wonderful news. And I like the EW Wing of the Party...she's earned it. libdem4life Nov 2013 #106
The EWWDP? wildbilln864 Nov 2013 #107
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