Welcome to DU!
The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards.
Join the community:
Create a free account
Support DU (and get rid of ads!):
Become a Star Member
Latest Breaking News
Editorials & Other Articles
General Discussion
The DU Lounge
All Forums
Issue Forums
Culture Forums
Alliance Forums
Region Forums
Support Forums
Help & Search
General Discussion
In reply to the discussion: With all the anti-pornography talk, can we have a sex positive thread? [View all]
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)297. Excellent post.
Edit history
Please sign in to view edit histories.
Recommendations
0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):
588 replies
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
RecommendedHighlight replies with 5 or more recommendations
With all the anti-pornography talk, can we have a sex positive thread? [View all]
Kurska
Nov 2013
OP
There is nothing wrong with having mixed feelings about something like rape porn.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#14
porn stops rape? then we should feed our rapist porn to stop them from raping? and they
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#130
The fact that you (or I) don't like it isn't enough to call it harmful.
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#136
"Your argument is this: porn causes rape and therefore should be banned." ONE post.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#146
i am gonna have to think how to stream line it in under ten words or less. lol
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#158
btw. out of the 6, you are the first to ask without doubling down on a false accusation
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#159
One problem is there seems to be a conflation of "rape porn" with "all porn" which is not
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#361
across the nation reports of downgrading and not filing reports of rape is a huge part of the
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#157
another point. date rapes. in the 70's we did not even know what date rape was.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#166
huh? are you gonna go after me cause i decided to add something in this subthread? really?
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#184
passive aggressive.... lol. ah ha. woman. check out your posts. that would be passive aggressive
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#195
because we have a net saying 45-75% of claims are false, intimidating reporting. and cops the
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#188
The NCVS isn't about crime *reporting*, it's about perceived victimization.
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#198
and here would be the flaws in ncvs. and this is without much work looking for issues
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#202
40 yrs ago we did not even consider date rape. 40 yrs ago there was no awareness
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#227
So you're saying that 40 years ago NCVS underestimated even more than it does today?
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#232
i am saying, what you are proposing is we are about at a zero rape rate, per your numbers.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#234
three women standing on the porch. i ask, how many rapes. THREE rapes with one
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#190
wrong. and that is why i KNOW your ncvs is flawed. and sure enough. easy to find. nt
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#204
You're absolutely right that even "relatively lower" is still too high.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#371
for argument's sake, let's go way, way out on the uncomfortable logical limb.
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#193
2006. 8 yrs ago. when internet porn was really getting going. when studies to see that actual
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#199
There are feminists who believe that almost all coitus is coercive and violent
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#510
Here's where she is getting that totally rather, er... hard to believe figure:
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#522
There's way too much "violence and aggressiveness" in porn. I don't think many people would
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#363
Yeah, how dare someone be ambivalent about wank-off material that realistically depicts
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#365
hence why I think both child and beastality pronography should be outlawed.
deafskeptic
Nov 2013
#508
Those who produce consensual "simulations" need to more clearly differentiate their product
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#353
The question isnt whether there is nasty negative stuff out there, for sure there is.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#18
I'm perfectly happy to admit that I've seen some porn in my lifetime.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#29
When folks are continually incapable of arguing against CONSENTING ADULT behavior without
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#5
I think there is a small but vocal minority on DU that are using the cover of Feminism to promote
Katashi_itto
Nov 2013
#36
Precisely. It's not that women don't participate in their own repression - sure they do -
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#564
Seriously? Are you really blaming hatred of, and violence against, women on "pseudo-feminists"?
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#562
But it seems like you're almost - not quite, but almost - blaming women themselves for abuse.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#575
Sure, I get that. It's kind of a built-in hazard of Internet communication.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#582
Or maybe it's because people aren't listening to them at home and their daily lives. nt
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Nov 2013
#208
not a single pm. it is the stupidest damn OP yet ont he subject. oh... lets all talk about sex
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#51
Right, that would be obsessive. Like setting up an off-site board to coordinate with banned members
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#331
Yeah, I don't ever seem to get bored these days. I always have way more projects I'd like to
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#355
Someone once said that "Character is what you do when you think no one is looking"
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#528
People shouldn't extrapolate from the American porn industry to porn in general.
redgreenandblue
Nov 2013
#12
"all sex is rape" ONE post where anyone on du has said "all sex is rape". ONE. just ONE.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#46
Alice Schwarzer: "heterosexual sex involves inevitable subjugation of women"
redgreenandblue
Nov 2013
#96
well, since that "crowd" is so very very small and i do not even hear them, golly, and certainly not
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#98
I assure you, my post was not intended as a personal attack against you or any other Duer.
redgreenandblue
Nov 2013
#248
Like I said, putting words in your (and others') mouths. I suppose both "sides" do that sort
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#405
then you are doing something wrong, once you find your kink, fetish etc then it becomes. wow
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#72
I have been there and done that and I have seen through the illusion
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2013
#100
you're probably right - i have always had this weird, kinky tendency of associating sex with
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2013
#141
To each their own. Different people have different ideas (and ideals) RE: "intimacy."
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#409
that's a pretty arrogant thing to say. Some mature to a point where they recognize that somethings
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2013
#534
Quite the contrary. It's called accepting reality - and the more I have
Douglas Carpenter
Nov 2013
#556
Why does it have to be one or the other? Can't you lust for someone intensely and still "cherish"
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#411
ANY pornography though is exploitive and rather sleazy. Consensual PRIVATE ADULT sexual behavior is
RBInMaine
Nov 2013
#42
Yes, the government doesn't belong in your bedroom... until you bring a camera? n/t
Kurska
Nov 2013
#179
That's the reducto ad absurdum. But I don't think many people are actually taking the argument
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#413
""anti-pornography" vs pro-sex" such rw lutz labeling. like pro life vs pro abortion. ya. that
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#58
and i explained my refusal to allow YOU and other men to define ME as sex negative. no.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#79
It should be pointed out you have no problem using inflammatory references yourself
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#84
what is really funny is the people that i hear accuse others of being anti sex are having a hell of
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#50
did not bother with your post. the point of YOU telling ME i have man issues... end of conversation
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#63
it does not matter how you define them. they are used for insult. just.... NO
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#76
what happens in my bedroom, or my streaming or flikr account is no ones business.
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#69
you realise that webcams, streaming, flikr etc are extensions of our bedroom nowadays
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#89
I was thinking of the general landscape of the "industry" and how it kind of bums me out.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#520
I basically agree. Which is why, even though I support it in principle, I suspect the U.K. law
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#558
you insist your children watch you and your wife go at it cause you feel it is educational, or
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#81
heres the issue though your line and mine are in different locations, my issue is who draws the line
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#86
when you use comments like " faint of heart", i stop listening. i am not married to any of this.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#88
no iggo we cannot when the premise of the thread is those people do not like sex.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#67
I didn't read the body of the OP. I just answered the question in the subject line.
Iggo
Nov 2013
#150
thank you... clarification is our friend. i appreciate it. go back to the trash bin
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#151
when a posts intent is to insult, why would you think the insulted is going to stay quiet?
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#95
sex positive/sex negative. prude.... kinda like pro life. is that offensive to you?
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#101
yes. a man that speaks out for women regularly. is not offended by sex negative, cause
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#110
"Sex positive" as it applies to feminism originated with Betty Dopson, a feminist
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#121
says who? or is it the right to insult a group of women shaming them thru their sexuality?
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#116
so, you throw out a false, stupid ass accusation at duers on this board and cause i want an example
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#139
actually, he made the point of stating people in this thread.... so i asked who. see how this works
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#171
really? you know this for a fact, or are you once again just throwing out false accusation? the FACT
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#180
clever but dishonest. "Apparently around here there's no such thing as positive sex. "
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#206
i haev never seen a duer that " there's no such thing as positive sex". enlighten me.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#214
you say some duers say " there's no such thing as positive sex". i have never seen a duer that
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#220
well, you would have to be a little more specific what you are taking but regardless, i would
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#238
HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF A LIBERAL WHILE YOU'RE DEFENDING PUNCHBOWL POOPING?
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#373
You know, I actually think that thing may be more like "Koyaanisqatsi"
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#539
All the same a-holes who accuse you of defending "rape porn" when you defend vanilla porn...
TroglodyteScholar
Nov 2013
#122
Pretty sure non-private consensual behaviors shouldn't be punished either.
Schema Thing
Nov 2013
#197
...sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love."
Tierra_y_Libertad
Nov 2013
#129
I would be profoundly surprised if anyone is being required to look for work IN the adult industry
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#543
did the person that "rape" play lack consent, lack control? cause if there was consent and control,
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#194
So, every point of view a woman can possibly hold should be immune from criticism?
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#228
My lord, no one is saying you don't have a right to be disgusted by whatever you want.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#235
Any prude who wants to enforce their morality on others deserves nothing but
LittleBlue
Nov 2013
#249
This is life and you will be judged, fairly or unfairly, no matter what laws are passed.
LittleBlue
Nov 2013
#288
so your idea of a positive sex thread is insulting women by shaming them their sexuality?
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#222
see, this is the issue. because women talk about rape porn, you tell them they do not like sex.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#242
When the hell did I say YOU didn't like sex, why do you even assume this OP is directed at you.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#246
My beef is with people who don't like sex and want to be sure no one else enjoys it either.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#250
after all the rape porn thread you start an OP ... now can we have a sex positive thread.
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#256
you know, i know, everyone on this thread knows who you were addressing. me personally? all the
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#262
The only people I am addressing are those that want to ban others consensual sexual practices.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#267
YOU are using womens sexuality to shame them. that simple. you cannot justify that, or validate
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#269
It is a fact. You are try to weasel your way around it all. It bottom lines to you
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#274
using sex positive to sex negative, using prude, using anti sex then that is exactly what you are
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#286
I don't think even the freaking TARDIS can translate some of what I am reading here
The Straight Story
Nov 2013
#337
the only other way to "spin it" other than ANTI sex, would be ANTI porn. but what the fuck
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#252
really? women against porn are anti sex, not anti porn. to say anti porn is a spin?
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#266
sex positive/sex negative, anti sex, prude. what do you think that is saying about people who speak
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#290
The 'women' thing implies that we are all of the same mind about everything.
Old and In the Way
Nov 2013
#326
The "disagreement about porn" is full of slut shaming, every time it turns up.
LadyHawkAZ
Nov 2013
#307
"The only freaks are those who violate the rights of others"=shaming women for their sexuallity
Kurska
Nov 2013
#241
"The only freaks are those who violate the rights of others" wtf? and we are clear what you are
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#254
That was line from my OP, maybe you would recognize it if you bothered to read it n/t
Kurska
Nov 2013
#257
there you go. right there. intent clear. this thread is to declare that women that spoke out on
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#268
wtf? of course it is not your sexuality being attacked. you are helping to attack other womens
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#284
I'm not sure why Americans are so afraid of sex. I have had both good and bad experiences in my
liberal_at_heart
Nov 2013
#313
The fact that you googled something and then found the thing you were googling, only indicates that
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#466
LOL! Thanks. But seriously, that poster is writing some very disturbing things.
last1standing
Nov 2013
#394
Ah! I see, you have no desire to look for the facts, you just want to attack.
last1standing
Nov 2013
#412
Since you couldn't resist spitting venom we can go back to the same old....
last1standing
Nov 2013
#453
No, you made a deliberate attempt to be hateful when I was trying to discuss issues.
last1standing
Nov 2013
#462
Seriously, thank you for writing that as I agree with some of it and see more as miscommunication.
last1standing
Nov 2013
#517
I have no dog in this fight. I only wanted you to see the kind of remarks your comments
ScreamingMeemie
Nov 2013
#471
I didn't say she was. I said she is comfortable with homophobic researchers and sites.
last1standing
Nov 2013
#422
I am not going to search for this. It is clear you are not going to provide the link which you
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#425
Here is the one post in HOF in which I linked to sources over the past several days
BainsBane
Nov 2013
#415
That's not a name, nor are you prominent anywhere other than here (if that)
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#402
"Are there any prominent anti-pornographers who AREN'T sex negative?" Why does it matter
kwassa
Nov 2013
#440
It is off point and it doesn't matter, which is the only rational answer to your query.
kwassa
Nov 2013
#449
You asked her to back up her claim so of course you don't think women are human beings.
last1standing
Nov 2013
#407
Ahh.. "The Germans". IIRC, TV Guide ranked that episode in the top-10 all time.
opiate69
Nov 2013
#503
I don't care what people do in their bedrooms nor do I make a judgment on most porn.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#396
There's a documentary about the Brony culture out there that turned up on Logo
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Nov 2013
#544
Is it pornography when loving exhibitionistic couples broadcast live video of their love making?
Kablooie
Nov 2013
#445
"And what was all that shit about Vietnam? What the FUCK, has anything got to do with Vietnam?"
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#541
'05, I wasn't around here yet. But '08, '09, and especially '11 I remember pretty well.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#560
Hell, I wish one of *my* (admittedly very few) threads would get 500 replies. I'm lucky to get 5.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#559
Nothing. Not inherently anyway. Which is why the conflation of the two is rather questionable.
nomorenomore08
Nov 2013
#565
You're the one saying society should influence how a woman feels about her private sexual behaviors.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#573
I find it laughable you think a woman's private, consensual and enjoyable sex becomes exploitative
Kurska
Nov 2013
#576
You're arguing that pornography and the attitudes around gender roles and sexuality it expresses...
Spider Jerusalem
Nov 2013
#578
I'm arguing that blanket statements on whether a woman should feel exploited or not based on the
Kurska
Nov 2013
#581
Except you're moving the goalposts, and arguing a point I didn't make.
Spider Jerusalem
Nov 2013
#583
People fuck. People like cameras. People like watching stuff on screens.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#572