Are there any prominent anti-pornographers who AREN'T sex negative? (Reply #383)

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Mon Nov 25, 2013, 08:48 PM

383. Are there any prominent anti-pornographers who AREN'T sex negative?

I'm talking people who regularly advocate for the suppression (not just condemnation) of pornography.

I can name quite a few people who are.

1) Judith Reisman
2) Ed Meese
3) Charles Keating
4) Susan Brownmiller
5) Andrea Dworkin
6) Mary Anne Layden
7) Catharine MacKinnon
8) Gail Dines
9) Jerry Falwell
10) Laura Schlessinger
11) Sheila Jeffreys
12) Phyllis Schlafly
13) James Dobson
14) Rick Santorum

If you favor suppression. These are your allies.

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With all the anti-pornography talk, can we have a sex positive thread? [View all]	Kurska	Nov 2013	OP
Well said	LittleBlue	Nov 2013	#1
I agree, it isn't a coincidence the most sexually violent have strict sex laws.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#2
I don't know that it is prudism so much as	rrneck	Nov 2013	#3
Might be a little of both	Kurska	Nov 2013	#4
True.	rrneck	Nov 2013	#7
So, I'm a woman and I have a daughter...	renie408	Nov 2013	#11
There is nothing wrong with having mixed feelings about something like rape porn.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#14
Yes, no question.	renie408	Nov 2013	#17
Rape is completely unacceptable, but so is censorship.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#20
No, censorship is not unacceptable. We censor things all the time.	renie408	Nov 2013	#26
Best post in all of the rape-porn threads. n/t	A Little Weird	Nov 2013	#45
I would be more open to the idea of legislating censorship...	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#120
porn stops rape? then we should feed our rapist porn to stop them from raping? and they	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#130
The fact that you (or I) don't like it isn't enough to call it harmful.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#136
are you saying, cause supposed numbers are down, porn stops rape?	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#137
I'm saying there's ZERO evidence to support the opposite argument.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#145
"Your argument is this: porn causes rape and therefore should be banned." ONE post.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#146
Okay, then in ten words or less, what is your argument?	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#155
i am gonna have to think how to stream line it in under ten words or less. lol	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#158
btw. out of the 6, you are the first to ask without doubling down on a false accusation	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#159
One problem is there seems to be a conflation of "rape porn" with "all porn" which is not	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#361
That is certainly interesting	renie408	Nov 2013	#162
This message was self-deleted by its author	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#175
Do you have a graph for that one?	renie408	Nov 2013	#154
across the nation reports of downgrading and not filing reports of rape is a huge part of the	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#157
I don't trust tbe numbers in the posted graph, either.	renie408	Nov 2013	#161
another point. date rapes. in the 70's we did not even know what date rape was.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#166
Thought you were done with this thread	lillypaddle	Nov 2013	#182
huh? are you gonna go after me cause i decided to add something in this subthread? really?	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#184
"go after you?"	lillypaddle	Nov 2013	#192
passive aggressive.... lol. ah ha. woman. check out your posts. that would be passive aggressive	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#195
+1	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#368
This message was self-deleted by its author	seaglass	Nov 2013	#216
lilly has been jumping on my posts for a while now.... nothing new.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#219
This message was self-deleted by its author	seaglass	Nov 2013	#223
certainly is an obsession. for sure. nt	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#225
no, really, tell me, am i "allowed" to come in and even reply to you?	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#186
This message was self-deleted by its author	pacalo	Nov 2013	#358
Think this through.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#183
because we have a net saying 45-75% of claims are false, intimidating reporting. and cops the	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#188
The NCVS isn't about crime reporting, it's about perceived victimization.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#198
and here would be the flaws in ncvs. and this is without much work looking for issues	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#202
If the NCVS underestimates crime today, it did so 40 years ago too.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#226
40 yrs ago we did not even consider date rape. 40 yrs ago there was no awareness	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#227
So you're saying that 40 years ago NCVS underestimated even more than it does today?	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#232
i am saying, what you are proposing is we are about at a zero rape rate, per your numbers.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#234
The NCVS has been asking this question for 40+ years	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#245
three women standing on the porch. i ask, how many rapes. THREE rapes with one	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#190
Ask 77,397 more people that question and you duplicate the NCVS. n/t	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#200
wrong. and that is why i KNOW your ncvs is flawed. and sure enough. easy to find. nt	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#204
You're absolutely right that even "relatively lower" is still too high.	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#371
.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#160
I got to it.	renie408	Nov 2013	#174
It is a very significant drop, though.	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#258
There is a massive difference between censorship on a private message board	Kurska	Nov 2013	#164
What if their sexual interest is children?	renie408	Nov 2013	#178
for argument's sake, let's go way, way out on the uncomfortable logical limb.	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#193
2006. 8 yrs ago. when internet porn was really getting going. when studies to see that actual	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#199
Got a cite for this 'fact'?	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#264
There are feminists who believe that almost all coitus is coercive and violent	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#510
Here's where she is getting that totally rather, er... hard to believe figure:	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#522
I must be watching the wrong porn.	Blue_Adept	Nov 2013	#283
There's way too much "violence and aggressiveness" in porn. I don't think many people would	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#363
I would say this needs a lot more study...	renie408	Nov 2013	#327
+1	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#364
Children and farm animals can't consent.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#221
So, as long as it is simulated child porn or farm animal sex	renie408	Nov 2013	#320
Yeah, how dare someone be ambivalent about wank-off material that realistically depicts	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#365
hence why I think both child and beastality pronography should be outlawed.	deafskeptic	Nov 2013	#508
excellent post. well said. thank you.	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2013	#212
"I think we can all agree though...	NaturalHigh	Nov 2013	#19
That's not true	gollygee	Nov 2013	#125
Those who produce consensual "simulations" need to more clearly differentiate their product	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#353
The question isnt whether there is nasty negative stuff out there, for sure there is.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#18
Oh, I don't care if the adults in the rape porn are consenting.	renie408	Nov 2013	#23
I don't think a coherent definition of "rape porn" has emerged.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#24
Which leads.me.to.wonder...	renie408	Nov 2013	#27
I'm perfectly happy to admit that I've seen some porn in my lifetime.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#29
It could also quite possibly go the other way	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#28
"I kind of wonder about WHY that would be your cup of tea"	rrneck	Nov 2013	#165
That was a generic 'you', not a specific 'you'.	renie408	Nov 2013	#170
Ah, all good.	rrneck	Nov 2013	#187
I am male ...	Fantastic Anarchist	Nov 2013	#205
When folks are continually incapable of arguing against CONSENTING ADULT behavior without	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#5
Here here!	NaturalHigh	Nov 2013	#10
To which, the response to your post would go something like this:	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#13
If a lot of the posters were being honest...	NaturalHigh	Nov 2013	#16
I'm just waiting for the usual suspects to come out and...	DRoseDARs	Nov 2013	#30
I think there is a small but vocal minority on DU that are using the cover of Feminism to promote	Katashi_itto	Nov 2013	#36
+1000	RC	Nov 2013	#113
Dear god I am saving your post. You put it so succintly!	Katashi_itto	Nov 2013	#168
amen!!	lillypaddle	Nov 2013	#189
You pretty much hit the nail on the head.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#201
Or being told that we obviously don't get it.	Sissyk	Nov 2013	#329
Rule #1	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#243
Are you trying to tell me All Women, Everywhere are innocent of misogyny?	RC	Nov 2013	#251
Nope. nt	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#255
Yup.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#259
Perhaps I should elaborate -	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#271
I seem to recall a poster whose pet phrase	Union Scribe	Nov 2013	#379
Yup, I remember her as well	maddezmom	Nov 2013	#381
Bye bye life (and all that jazz)	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#386
Indeed	LadyHawkAZ	Nov 2013	#389
Precisely. It's not that women don't participate in their own repression - sure they do -	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#564
+1	BuddhaGirl	Nov 2013	#314
Seriously? Are you really blaming hatred of, and violence against, women on "pseudo-feminists"?	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#562
Yes they can, for the reason already explained.	RC	Nov 2013	#568
But it seems like you're almost - not quite, but almost - blaming women themselves for abuse.	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#575
No. Only a few women.	RC	Nov 2013	#577
Okay, fair enough. Thanks for clarifying a bit.	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#579
I sometimes can be clearer too.	RC	Nov 2013	#580
Sure, I get that. It's kind of a built-in hazard of Internet communication.	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#582
Or maybe it's because people aren't listening to them at home and their daily lives. nt	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Nov 2013	#208
I looked to see who voted in this poll.	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#49
not a single pm. it is the stupidest damn OP yet ont he subject. oh... lets all talk about sex	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#51
not a single pm?	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#53
ya. right dude. play games? whatever...	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#54
A lot of people think very highly of themselves here.	EOTE	Nov 2013	#97
Nope.	gollygee	Nov 2013	#215
Right, that would be obsessive. Like setting up an off-site board to coordinate with banned members	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#331
I haven't seen anything like that	gollygee	Nov 2013	#335
Try plugging these three words into google:	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#338
You mean there's more than one Overlordess?	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#342
I don't know what you mean	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#343
Thanks for the welcome. nt	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#350
Eye opening	maddezmom	Nov 2013	#345
Indeed.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#348
Well I am more of a Pilates freak and walker/hiker	maddezmom	Nov 2013	#354
Yeah, I don't ever seem to get bored these days. I always have way more projects I'd like to	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#355
OK, well that's the first I've seen it	gollygee	Nov 2013	#356
It's okay, they didn't invite me either.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#359
You..... You've got a gift, my friend...	opiate69	Nov 2013	#479
And, a special purpose.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#480
Lmao!	opiate69	Nov 2013	#482
That was weird enough to tempt me to do it	eridani	Nov 2013	#526
Someone once said that "Character is what you do when you think no one is looking"	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#528
Because, yeah, it's simply not possible that women	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#334
I'VE HAD IT WITH MEN!!!	Skittles	Nov 2013	#6
How the hell do you manage your schedule, Skittles?	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#15
If you kick enough ass, you have time for anything. n/t	A HERETIC I AM	Nov 2013	#21
easy: chronic insomniac	Skittles	Nov 2013	#25
I thought you looked familiar.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#32
/Thread winner	Dash87	Nov 2013	#305
it's a Skittles classic, Dash87	Skittles	Nov 2013	#311
...	RainDog	Nov 2013	#336
LOL	Skittles	Nov 2013	#372
Dinah Washington	RainDog	Nov 2013	#432
I miss The Far Side......	neverforget	Nov 2013	#501
lulz...nt	Jesus Malverde	Nov 2013	#566
Feminist science fiction author Joanna Russ once said	eridani	Nov 2013	#8
Good quote.	NaturalHigh	Nov 2013	#9
Exactly, pornography is, at best. a very poor substitute.	Egalitarian Thug	Nov 2013	#210
People shouldn't extrapolate from the American porn industry to porn in general.	redgreenandblue	Nov 2013	#12
Very true	Fearless	Nov 2013	#22
"all sex is rape" ONE post where anyone on du has said "all sex is rape". ONE. just ONE.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#46
Alice Schwarzer: "heterosexual sex involves inevitable subjugation of women"	redgreenandblue	Nov 2013	#96
well, since that "crowd" is so very very small and i do not even hear them, golly, and certainly not	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#98
I assure you, my post was not intended as a personal attack against you or any other Duer.	redgreenandblue	Nov 2013	#248
Like I said, putting words in your (and others') mouths. I suppose both "sides" do that sort	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#405
I have nothing against sex as long as it doesn't	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2013	#31
"Your wife was just showing us her Klimt"	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#33
i am not against sex - but I do think it is overrated	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2013	#34
That's sort of how I feel about	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#35
then you are doing something wrong, once you find your kink, fetish etc then it becomes. wow	loli phabay	Nov 2013	#72
I have been there and done that and I have seen through the illusion	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2013	#100
Maybe you just haven't de-personalized it enough.	PassingFair	Nov 2013	#128
you're probably right - i have always had this weird, kinky tendency of associating sex with	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2013	#141
I find that "sex positive"!!	PassingFair	Nov 2013	#240
To each their own. Different people have different ideas (and ideals) RE: "intimacy."	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#409
I don't think we should be accusing anyone of doing it "wrong"	Xithras	Nov 2013	#207
it was more in humour post than a chastisement, but point taken	loli phabay	Nov 2013	#519
You might be doing it wrong then.	bluesbassman	Nov 2013	#516
that's a pretty arrogant thing to say. Some mature to a point where they recognize that somethings	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2013	#534
"like many if not most things in life - it is just over rated"...	bluesbassman	Nov 2013	#549
Quite the contrary. It's called accepting reality - and the more I have	Douglas Carpenter	Nov 2013	#556
Its not sex which is totally awesome	dipsydoodle	Nov 2013	#37
Eh, I beg to differ.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#40
Your partner must feel so ....	PassingFair	Nov 2013	#131
did you read what I....	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#289
I'm guessing...	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#300
I did	Skittles	Nov 2013	#316
Why does it have to be one or the other? Can't you lust for someone intensely and still "cherish"	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#411
Fuck sex!	Fumesucker	Nov 2013	#38
Who else remembers this chestnut?	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#41
I've got that cd!	LuvNewcastle	Nov 2013	#43
Great OP	lillypaddle	Nov 2013	#39
ANY pornography though is exploitive and rather sleazy. Consensual PRIVATE ADULT sexual behavior is	RBInMaine	Nov 2013	#42
unless they film or take pictures?	Schema Thing	Nov 2013	#57
Yes, the government doesn't belong in your bedroom... until you bring a camera? n/t	Kurska	Nov 2013	#179
That's the reducto ad absurdum. But I don't think many people are actually taking the argument	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#413
Exploitative, I think you mean. And WHY is it exploitative?	sibelian	Nov 2013	#524
Most capitalistic employment is exploitative to one degree or another	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#554
with all the anti-KKK sentiment, can we have a racism-positive thread?	zazen	Nov 2013	#44
Que the conflations of race/sex/consent/non-consent	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#48
""anti-pornography" vs pro-sex" such rw lutz labeling. like pro life vs pro abortion. ya. that	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#58
I agree it's inflammatory	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#75
and i explained my refusal to allow YOU and other men to define ME as sex negative. no.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#79
It should be pointed out you have no problem using inflammatory references yourself	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#84
Hurray for endorphins created by steamy hot uninhibited consensual sex!	In_The_Wind	Nov 2013	#47
No need for a safe word.	Aristus	Nov 2013	#362
That's even better.	In_The_Wind	Nov 2013	#366
Thought you'd like that...	Aristus	Nov 2013	#367
what is really funny is the people that i hear accuse others of being anti sex are having a hell of	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#50
You seem to have 'man issues'	The Straight Story	Nov 2013	#61
did not bother with your post. the point of YOU telling ME i have man issues... end of conversation	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#63
It helps if you know what people are talking about	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#74
it does not matter how you define them. they are used for insult. just.... NO	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#76
I'm not going to argue with you on this point	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#82
thank you. nt	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#85
"Why do you anarchists hate roads so much, Dorothy"?	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#339
What people do in private is none of anybody else's business.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#52
rape porn that make it appear women want to be raped	boston bean	Nov 2013	#55
Well pardon the fuck out of me.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#56
Just pointing out the obvious, and trying to give a clue.	boston bean	Nov 2013	#60
Thanks loads.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#64
you are welcome. hope it helped.	boston bean	Nov 2013	#66
It helped my key word trash list.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#68
Excellent. You must not have trashed any word I used	boston bean	Nov 2013	#71
It only works in OPs.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#73
too bad then, I guess.	boston bean	Nov 2013	#78
Fair point	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#80
what happens in my bedroom, or my streaming or flikr account is no ones business.	loli phabay	Nov 2013	#69
You got that right.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#70
When someone's son or daughter can go out on the web	boston bean	Nov 2013	#77
thats your job to censor what your kids see online, not mine,	loli phabay	Nov 2013	#83
Yeah, I realize that you can and should be able to do what you want in	boston bean	Nov 2013	#87
you realise that webcams, streaming, flikr etc are extensions of our bedroom nowadays	loli phabay	Nov 2013	#89
Your have a right to do what you want in your bedroom.	boston bean	Nov 2013	#94
and yet you are the one who wants to interfere with others not me	loli phabay	Nov 2013	#102
The easy access to it does affect others.	boston bean	Nov 2013	#173
so does everything we do in life, even your posts effect people	loli phabay	Nov 2013	#521
Do you think it's any easier for government to do it?	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#111
Which is why the point is kind of moot, in some ways.	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#423
Suppression didn't work before the internet	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#436
I agree. I just find the whole thing depressing, to be honest.	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#513
Why worry about it?	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#518
I was thinking of the general landscape of the "industry" and how it kind of bums me out.	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#520
I have few issues with people making moral arguments about porn	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#523
I basically agree. Which is why, even though I support it in principle, I suspect the U.K. law	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#558
Think of the children	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#103
you insist your children watch you and your wife go at it cause you feel it is educational, or	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#81
heres the issue though your line and mine are in different locations, my issue is who draws the line	loli phabay	Nov 2013	#86
when you use comments like " faint of heart", i stop listening. i am not married to any of this.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#88
lol i wondered why you shouted that bit, was nonplussed	loli phabay	Nov 2013	#90
i could go with that. nt	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#92
WHY is there an image of a goat	flamingdem	Nov 2013	#59
Goats go to hell...	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#62
I'm getting Nissans. I think it has to do with your browsing history.	JVS	Nov 2013	#144
LOL...no. We can't.	Iggo	Nov 2013	#65
no iggo we cannot when the premise of the thread is those people do not like sex.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#67
I didn't read the body of the OP. I just answered the question in the subject line.	Iggo	Nov 2013	#150
thank you... clarification is our friend. i appreciate it. go back to the trash bin	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#151
Props to you for trying.	RiffRandell	Nov 2013	#91
when a posts intent is to insult, why would you think the insulted is going to stay quiet?	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#95
I don't think it was supposed to be insulting at all.	RiffRandell	Nov 2013	#99
sex positive/sex negative. prude.... kinda like pro life. is that offensive to you?	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#101
Actually..	Upton	Nov 2013	#109
yes. a man that speaks out for women regularly. is not offended by sex negative, cause	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#110
I see...	Upton	Nov 2013	#112
how do you know i have not expressed my opinion to him? now. done with you.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#114
Hmm...	Upton	Nov 2013	#118
The same person also identifies as a separatist feminist	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#132
"Sex positive" as it applies to feminism originated with Betty Dopson, a feminist	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#121
Thanks Major..	Upton	Nov 2013	#126
That was refreshing.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#152
It's calling people who think rape porn is wrong	gollygee	Nov 2013	#105
A couple of small points...	TreasonousBastard	Nov 2013	#93
Sex is not an unmitigated "good".	dawg	Nov 2013	#104
k, your last line put a huge smile on my face.... this. is a very good post	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#115
Well, I had to give a little shout-out to RT because ...	dawg	Nov 2013	#119
Which is why the "positive/negative" dichotomy is way too simplistic.	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#428
Some people like to poop in the punch bowl.	Vashta Nerada	Nov 2013	#106
says who? or is it the right to insult a group of women shaming them thru their sexuality?	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#116
Why so defensive?	Vashta Nerada	Nov 2013	#134
why accusing i am defensive when i asked you a simple question.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#135
Just go away.	Vashta Nerada	Nov 2013	#138
so, you throw out a false, stupid ass accusation at duers on this board and cause i want an example	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#139
The world doesn't revolve around you.	Vashta Nerada	Nov 2013	#140
Apparently around here there's no such thing as positive sex.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#142
Ah.	Vashta Nerada	Nov 2013	#143
why do you keep bringing it to me. you are the one that made the statement.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#148
Actually, you brought it to him/her with your post on his/her 106.	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#163
actually, he made the point of stating people in this thread.... so i asked who. see how this works	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#171
And if he/she answered who, you would have alerted.	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#177
really? you know this for a fact, or are you once again just throwing out false accusation? the FACT	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#180
"Some people like to poop in the punch bowl."	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#203
clever but dishonest. "Apparently around here there's no such thing as positive sex. "	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#206
That's what you initially responded to	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#211
i haev never seen a duer that " there's no such thing as positive sex". enlighten me.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#214
I don't understand your post.	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#217
you say some duers say " there's no such thing as positive sex". i have never seen a duer that	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#220
You will just have to use that creative imagination of yours.	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#237
well, you would have to be a little more specific what you are taking but regardless, i would	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#238
HOW CAN YOU CALL YOURSELF A LIBERAL WHILE YOU'RE DEFENDING PUNCHBOWL POOPING?	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#373
....	maddezmom	Nov 2013	#374
!!	opiate69	Nov 2013	#430
You know, I actually think that thing may be more like "Koyaanisqatsi"	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#539
+1	uponit7771	Nov 2013	#107
Sex rules. Wish I was having it.	Arkana	Nov 2013	#108
I'm getting some right now.	L0oniX	Nov 2013	#117
All the same a-holes who accuse you of defending "rape porn" when you defend vanilla porn...	TroglodyteScholar	Nov 2013	#122
Reading your post, I have to ask one thing:	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#123
It is indeed a shameful burden I must bear..	TroglodyteScholar	Nov 2013	#133
not going to be a fun time if you make me mere with your attorney first.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#124
I love sex. I just don't have a desire to watch others having sex.	PassingFair	Nov 2013	#127
Pretty sure non-private consensual behaviors shouldn't be punished either.	Schema Thing	Nov 2013	#197
...sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love."	Tierra_y_Libertad	Nov 2013	#129
LOL	Skittles	Nov 2013	#390
Pornography is not pro-sex, and opponents are NOT anti-sex or "prudes."	duffyduff	Nov 2013	#147
So what you're saying is you don't like an industry...	Vashta Nerada	Nov 2013	#156
Should people be forced to look for work in the porn industry	gollygee	Nov 2013	#167
I would be profoundly surprised if anyone is being required to look for work IN the adult industry	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#543
I didn't say it was happening	gollygee	Nov 2013	#552
sure thing, Bubba -	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2013	#149
Actually consensual role play that involves simulated rape is in fact sex.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#169
uhm, Bubba,	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2013	#176
Rape porn is rape play that was recorded...	Kurska	Nov 2013	#181
Laws can be changed. -	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2013	#191
No one is demanding anything, besides others not censor what they don't like.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#224
whatever, Bubba. peace out and dueces.	Tuesday Afternoon	Nov 2013	#229
Have a wonderful life n/t	Kurska	Nov 2013	#233
did the person that "rape" play lack consent, lack control? cause if there was consent and control,	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#194
I just served on a jury for this post	pintobean	Nov 2013	#340
It certainly wasn't meant as a compliment. n/t	Laelth	Nov 2013	#346
0-6 to leave it	pintobean	Nov 2013	#349
I know. I was the one on the jury who said it was rude.	Laelth	Nov 2013	#351
So does Pulp Fiction	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#525
Well said! Finally, the US is trying to become mature than stuck in	RKP5637	Nov 2013	#153
I would but...	ryan_cats	Nov 2013	#172
I like to vote.	shenmue	Nov 2013	#185
Post of the year, all years +1 n/t	Kurska	Nov 2013	#295
Meh. Sex isn't inherently good (or bad) all by itself.	MadrasT	Nov 2013	#196
Prude shaming bullshit post.	boston bean	Nov 2013	#209
So, every point of view a woman can possibly hold should be immune from criticism?	lumberjack_jeff	Nov 2013	#228
My lord, no one is saying you don't have a right to be disgusted by whatever you want.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#235
Any prude who wants to enforce their morality on others deserves nothing but	LittleBlue	Nov 2013	#249
Women are just so grateful to be judged	boston bean	Nov 2013	#279
This is life and you will be judged, fairly or unfairly, no matter what laws are passed.	LittleBlue	Nov 2013	#288
Yes, take your own advice then and don't be so hypocritical, would be	boston bean	Nov 2013	#302
What law restricting free expression am I supporting?	LittleBlue	Nov 2013	#304
Prudes should be shunned and shamed...	boston bean	Nov 2013	#306
Who am I to determine who is a prude?	LittleBlue	Nov 2013	#308
I am also a free citizen and therefore determine what I please,	boston bean	Nov 2013	#310
If you've gotten lost in this discussion, there is a record above	LittleBlue	Nov 2013	#321
I'm not lost, read what I write and respond to it.	boston bean	Nov 2013	#333
I have a question (and my bad if you've already addressed it)	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#309
Specifically, prudes who try to enforce restrictions on others	LittleBlue	Nov 2013	#312
Okay. Thank you. nt	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#317
I don't think those who would censor porn are prudes.	rrneck	Nov 2013	#324
Sex is great. I don't particularly care for porn, though.	NuclearDem	Nov 2013	#213
Obviously no, we cannot.	LadyHawkAZ	Nov 2013	#218
so your idea of a positive sex thread is insulting women by shaming them their sexuality?	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#222
My lord, I never said anyone wasn't free to not like sex.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#239
see, this is the issue. because women talk about rape porn, you tell them they do not like sex.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#242
When the hell did I say YOU didn't like sex, why do you even assume this OP is directed at you.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#246
My beef is with people who don't like sex and want to be sure no one else enjoys it either.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#250
No see the and in that sentence indicates a compound thought	Kurska	Nov 2013	#253
after all the rape porn thread you start an OP ... now can we have a sex positive thread.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#256
Yes, I was personally addressing you with my OP.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#260
you know, i know, everyone on this thread knows who you were addressing. me personally? all the	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#262
The only people I am addressing are those that want to ban others consensual sexual practices.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#267
YOU are using womens sexuality to shame them. that simple. you cannot justify that, or validate	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#269
Saying something over and over again doesn't make it true n/t	Kurska	Nov 2013	#270
It is a fact. You are try to weasel your way around it all. It bottom lines to you	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#274
Banning pornography is not a sexual behavior.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#276
using sex positive to sex negative, using prude, using anti sex then that is exactly what you are	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#286
I'm so glad there exists people who can tell me what I am doing.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#292
it is literally your words. so whatever.... nt	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#296
If you can decrypt 286, please share with the rest of us.	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#322
I don't think even the freaking TARDIS can translate some of what I am reading here	The Straight Story	Nov 2013	#337
I'll get my best men working on it	Kurska	Nov 2013	#344
Hmmm...breakthrough thought here.	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#319
Hey, she loves sex and is sex positive.	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#318
I have seen people in these threads	LadyHawkAZ	Nov 2013	#247
the only other way to "spin it" other than ANTI sex, would be ANTI porn. but what the fuck	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#252
Nice spin attempt.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#263
really? women against porn are anti sex, not anti porn. to say anti porn is a spin?	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#266
What men are you talking about?	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#285
sex positive/sex negative, anti sex, prude. what do you think that is saying about people who speak	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#290
I don't know.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#299
you dont know.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#301
Well, maybe I do.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#303
The 'women' thing implies that we are all of the same mind about everything.	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#326
You sound like a prude-negative type person.	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#325
Voluntarily having sex and filming it for others to see	LadyHawkAZ	Nov 2013	#272
it is a disagreement about porn. i understand your issue on women choosing.	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#281
The "disagreement about porn" is full of slut shaming, every time it turns up.	LadyHawkAZ	Nov 2013	#307
You can speak for tthis womannn	Sissyk	Nov 2013	#376
The whole sex-negative thing is more than just a bit disingenuous	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#547
Excellent post.	RiffRandell	Nov 2013	#297
Perfectly said	maddezmom	Nov 2013	#341
You got it! nt	RiffRandell	Nov 2013	#230
you too, are into shaming women their sexuality? i am aghast.... nt	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#236
"The only freaks are those who violate the rights of others"=shaming women for their sexuallity	Kurska	Nov 2013	#241
"The only freaks are those who violate the rights of others" wtf? and we are clear what you are	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#254
That was line from my OP, maybe you would recognize it if you bothered to read it n/t	Kurska	Nov 2013	#257
anti porn threads, now sex positive	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#261
See this is what you don't get	Kurska	Nov 2013	#265
there you go. right there. intent clear. this thread is to declare that women that spoke out on	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#268
....	Kurska	Nov 2013	#273
No, I am a WOMAN who doesn't believe my sexuality is being shamed.	RiffRandell	Nov 2013	#280
wtf? of course it is not your sexuality being attacked. you are helping to attack other womens	seabeyond	Nov 2013	#284
Are you accusing Riff of being a gender-traitor?	Old and In the Way	Nov 2013	#330
Add me to the list.	HappyMe	Nov 2013	#244
Lulz!!!!	Divine Discontent	Nov 2013	#515
Different people seem to mean different things by "sex"	struggle4progress	Nov 2013	#231
Apparently not...	Hayabusa	Nov 2013	#275
Let's talk about sex!	Rex	Nov 2013	#277
Here are two women everyone here should read and/or support: (NSFW)	kentauros	Nov 2013	#278
Awesome links!	Kurska	Nov 2013	#282
I didn't think about that, so thank you for pointing it out.	kentauros	Nov 2013	#287
I love Annie!	zappaman	Nov 2013	#291
"Tit print"!	kentauros	Nov 2013	#293
She would have a LOT to say in this thread!	zappaman	Nov 2013	#294
That is true on all points.	kentauros	Nov 2013	#298
I'm not sure why Americans are so afraid of sex. I have had both good and bad experiences in my	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2013	#313
I'm so glad I'm gay	Prism	Nov 2013	#315
"Keep thumpin, my friends"	LadyHawkAZ	Nov 2013	#323
You. I like you. n/t	Prism	Nov 2013	#328
Remember, 88% of porn contains "aggressive acts" like ... blowjobs	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#332
"Indian gang rape," "military women raped," and "drunk girl rape"	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#414
Which has nothing to do with what I posted.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#431
I googled "rape porn"	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#441
The fact that you googled something and then found the thing you were googling, only indicates that	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#466
I Googled the topic of discussion	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#470
Okay, point by point.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#478
Not much of a point by point	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#486
I'm not outraged, Bain.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#514
I am not "people"	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#529
I am opposed to rape, and support efforts to combat and reduce it.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#531
You do know that simple probability	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#553
Notice how you didn't get an answer to a direct question	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#536
My sentiments:	Kingofalldems	Nov 2013	#347
Perahps we shoudl hear form George Michael	Agnosticsherbet	Nov 2013	#352
If Sex is so wonderful and all that, why do women I talked to usually say...	BlueJazz	Nov 2013	#357
Rape is not sex. It is violent assault	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#360
The problem appears to be that you think of most sex as rape.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#369
Bullshit	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#370
You addressed them to me in a group you had me blocked from.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#377
spitting venom? You just accused me of thinking all sex is rape	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#380
You've posted nothing to suggest differently.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#382
Now this people, is "badass."	RiffRandell	Nov 2013	#387
LOL! Thanks. But seriously, that poster is writing some very disturbing things.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#394
Wasn't this also in the Gungeon? Had a certain ring.	Eleanors38	Nov 2013	#496
Par for the course	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#555
"Pride parades promote homosexuality"	Prism	Nov 2013	#375
Her previous posts show that she is very comfortable with it.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#378
Where did she link to those sites?	hrmjustin	Nov 2013	#398
Wander around in the Feminism Group, you'll find plenty of them.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#401
You accused her personally of posting from homophobic sites.	hrmjustin	Nov 2013	#408
Ah! I see, you have no desire to look for the facts, you just want to attack.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#412
I just provided the one HOF post where I cited any sources	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#416
Nothing is incumbent upon me when it comes from you.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#420
So you admit you fabricated that claim?	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#421
I admit that you post very disturbing comments.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#424
So that's a yes	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#429
That's a Yes...	last1standing	Nov 2013	#434
Then provide text and links to what is so disturbing	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#438
Everything you're written is disturbing.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#442
Let me try again	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#446
Let me try again.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#448
It seems clear you did not read my last post	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#450
It seems clear you did not read your own post.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#451
I've made those points repeatedly	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#452
Since you couldn't resist spitting venom we can go back to the same old....	last1standing	Nov 2013	#453
It is increasingly clear to me that you define hate and venom	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#455
In future I'll define it by linking to your posts.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#456
Which you have been asked to do repeatedly to back up your allegations	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#457
LOL! I love the fact that you're so bothered by that.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#461
Oh, I see what the venom was	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#460
No, you made a deliberate attempt to be hateful when I was trying to discuss issues.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#462
You personally are the repository of all feminist issues?	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#463
Nope. That's why I wanted to discuss them.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#465
Where did I ever say women should be "directed by my decree"	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#474
Seriously, thank you for writing that as I agree with some of it and see more as miscommunication.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#517
...	ScreamingMeemie	Nov 2013	#467
You were the only one, huh?	last1standing	Nov 2013	#469
I have no dog in this fight. I only wanted you to see the kind of remarks your comments	ScreamingMeemie	Nov 2013	#471
This entire subthread probably should be removed.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#472
I participated in a jury on a comment.	ScreamingMeemie	Nov 2013	#473
How about $100 to an anti-slavery group?	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#476
I give you my honest word I am playing no game.	hrmjustin	Nov 2013	#418
I didn't say she was. I said she is comfortable with homophobic researchers and sites.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#422
I am not going to search for this. It is clear you are not going to provide the link which you	hrmjustin	Nov 2013	#425
Ok. Goodbye.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#435
So sorry. I missed one: Mother Jones	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#419
Here is the one post in HOF in which I linked to sources over the past several days	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#415
Not just there, GD too just yesterday	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#527
Hold on. Are you actually equating a pride parade with rape?	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#384
What I said was precise and clear	Prism	Nov 2013	#388
So if I don't like rape and rape culture?	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#391
I'm not reading your post since the first two sentences are dishonest.	Prism	Nov 2013	#399
If you are not going to read my responses, don't answer	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#404
This message was self-deleted by its author	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#392
Well, there is also a thread	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#395
Are there any prominent anti-pornographers who AREN'T sex negative?	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#383
Quite a list and we see some of them quoted here on a regular basis	maddezmom	Nov 2013	#385
What complete crap	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#393
I noticed you couldn't come up with any names	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#397
BainsBane	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#400
That's not a name, nor are you prominent anywhere other than here (if that)	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#402
So you're not actually interested in what members here think?	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#406
I asked a question, you have yet to directly answer it	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#426
You are painting feminists here as sex negative	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#437
I'm painting THOSE feminists as sex negative	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#443
So your post was essentially irrelevant to the OP	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#454
"Are there any prominent anti-pornographers who AREN'T sex negative?" Why does it matter	kwassa	Nov 2013	#440
I asked a question that matters to me	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#444
It is off point and it doesn't matter, which is the only rational answer to your query.	kwassa	Nov 2013	#449
As do we all hopefully	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#459
You asked her to back up her claim so of course you don't think women are human beings.	last1standing	Nov 2013	#407
Rule #2	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#403
Their motives are the same	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#417
Claiming that porn poisons the culture, as you say,	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#447
You just said the same thing	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#458
Got me!	xulamaude	Nov 2013	#464
The religious right opposes modern-day slavery too	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#475
What's red, hangs on the wall, and whistles?	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#481
That was your same argument for rape porn	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#483
THE MAN IN THE WILDERNESS	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#485
Heh..	opiate69	Nov 2013	#487
Hey there!	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#489
...	opiate69	Nov 2013	#495
My favorite show!	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#497
Fuck.. Did Betelgeuse just go supernova? We actually agree on something??	opiate69	Nov 2013	#498
This is the funniest bit	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#499
Ahh.. "The Germans". IIRC, TV Guide ranked that episode in the top-10 all time.	opiate69	Nov 2013	#503
BTW	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#504
Can't say as I have.. In all honesty,	opiate69	Nov 2013	#506
"Purely accidental"	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#507
Well, given the history, I don't for a second expect you to believe it.	opiate69	Nov 2013	#509
There isn't a bad episode in the series	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#511
You are consistent, I'll give you that	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#488
I'm not avoiding discussion, you just don't get it	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#490
You could try explaining it slowly	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#491
Others have tried	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#492
I've dealt with his points repeatedly	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#494
Not talking about him	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#500
Right, obfuscation	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#502
That's it	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#505
...Hitler?	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#545
I call Godwin	Major Nikon	Nov 2013	#548
Good luck.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#550
This never happens to progressive feminists.	LadyHawkAZ	Nov 2013	#433
whatever the reasons I still say stay out of my bedroom.	liberal_at_heart	Nov 2013	#477
I don't care what people do in their bedrooms nor do I make a judgment on most porn.	hrmjustin	Nov 2013	#396
False dichotomy	Scootaloo	Nov 2013	#410
You make me want to watch that My Little Pony show	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#493
Don't expect an homage to Coppola's "The Conversation"....	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Nov 2013	#535
I wonder why so many people are into it?	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#542
There's a documentary about the Brony culture out there that turned up on Logo	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Nov 2013	#544
All sounds pretty harmless to me	BainsBane	Nov 2013	#546
I don't like pornography, but even with my position, I view many on DU	bluestate10	Nov 2013	#427
To answer your question on subject alone: no. No we can't.	flvegan	Nov 2013	#439
Right?	ScreamingMeemie	Nov 2013	#468
Aww, thank you.	flvegan	Nov 2013	#484
Is it pornography when loving exhibitionistic couples broadcast live video of their love making?	Kablooie	Nov 2013	#445
Looking at the poll - the answer appears to be HELL YES !!!	ConcernedCanuk	Nov 2013	#512
So, to recap: No. Not here. Not ever.	Vashta Nerada	Nov 2013	#530
My poor thread, just another victim of the great DU rape porn war	Kurska	Nov 2013	#532
I was in the DU porn wars of '05, '08, '09 and '11	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#533
To Donny....who loved surfing....and bowling. nt	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Nov 2013	#537
"And what was all that shit about Vietnam? What the FUCK, has anything got to do with Vietnam?"	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#541
Why does it seem DU generally has porn wars in years there is no election	Kurska	Nov 2013	#538
Yeah, for sure.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#540
I think you may be on to something...	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#561
Damn, that's a lot of wars to fight...	opiate69	Nov 2013	#551
The "Heavy Metal" Soundtrack. Indeed.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#557
'05, I wasn't around here yet. But '08, '09, and especially '11 I remember pretty well.	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#560
Hell, I wish one of my (admittedly very few) threads would get 500 replies. I'm lucky to get 5.	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#559
What does "sex-positive" have to do with pornography, exactly?	Spider Jerusalem	Nov 2013	#563
Nothing. Not inherently anyway. Which is why the conflation of the two is rather questionable.	nomorenomore08	Nov 2013	#565
See your attitude is exactly what I'm talking about.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#567
It's the social attitudes around it that are exploitative.	Spider Jerusalem	Nov 2013	#569
Your perception of social attitudes don't matter a fraction of an iota	Kurska	Nov 2013	#570
Apparently there are plenty of things you don't get	Spider Jerusalem	Nov 2013	#571
You're the one saying society should influence how a woman feels about her private sexual behaviors.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#573
I'm saying society does, in fact.	Spider Jerusalem	Nov 2013	#574
I find it laughable you think a woman's private, consensual and enjoyable sex becomes exploitative	Kurska	Nov 2013	#576
You're arguing that pornography and the attitudes around gender roles and sexuality it expresses...	Spider Jerusalem	Nov 2013	#578
I'm arguing that blanket statements on whether a woman should feel exploited or not based on the	Kurska	Nov 2013	#581
Except you're moving the goalposts, and arguing a point I didn't make.	Spider Jerusalem	Nov 2013	#583
Oh my lord, I'm seriously questioning if you even read what you write.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#584
It isn't necessary to "feel" something for it to be the case.	Spider Jerusalem	Nov 2013	#585
And if something is the case and you don't "feel it", you're wrong	Kurska	Nov 2013	#586
Hah.	Spider Jerusalem	Nov 2013	#587
"no, they aren't" Yes, men are.	Kurska	Nov 2013	#588
People fuck. People like cameras. People like watching stuff on screens.	Warren DeMontague	Nov 2013	#572

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