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15. The goal of wholesale surveillance, as Arendt wrote in ''The Origins of Totalitarianism''...

Mon Jan 6, 2014, 12:36 PM

Jan 2014

...is not, in the end, to discover crimes, “but to be on hand when the government decides to arrest a certain category of the population.” -- from Chris Hedges/OP.

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Chris Hedges - The Last Gasp of American Democracy [View all] n2doc Jan 2014 OP

K&R.... daleanime Jan 2014 #1

K&R. THIS CANNOT BE IGNORED. woo me with science Jan 2014 #2

Yep, we're in our death throes Doctor_J Jan 2014 #3

Lots of this in DU MNBrewer Jan 2014 #14

"outside force" -- are you kidding? snot Jan 2014 #21

Any suggestions? Doctor_J Jan 2014 #34

Sure. snot Jan 2014 #82

I would love to hear Enthusiast Jan 2014 #63

I don't have a total "solution." snot Jan 2014 #83

yes pothos Jan 2014 #59

It's already a zombie democracy and it's zombie voters are just that. L0oniX Jan 2014 #4

So many of us think the same. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #24

Got to wonder what side the opers of this website are going to take. L0oniX Jan 2014 #27

Enemies of this party Enthusiast Jan 2014 #64

"But it will use it if it feels threatened by a population made restive by its corruption" mindwalker_i Jan 2014 #5

Yes, that is exactly what happened with OWS. They panicked then put their security apparatus into sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #49

I thought the very same. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #65

The Empire Is Dying - Rotting From Within cantbeserious Jan 2014 #6

They already took a test drive against Occupy tk2kewl Jan 2014 #7

And that was pretty tame and yet highly effective Doctor_J Jan 2014 #12

Yes! snot Jan 2014 #22

Yea ...the snipers on the roof tops in Texas said a lot. Our wonderful cops are going to kill us. L0oniX Jan 2014 #28

Nailed it. ctsnowman Jan 2014 #8

k/r 840high Jan 2014 #9

Kick - Maybe this thread can grow as big as the rock singer Ron Green Jan 2014 #10

+ a gazillion. nt Mojorabbit Jan 2014 #45

This is a sad but true set of circumstances described by Mr. Hedges. Made to travel on FB, etc. drynberg Jan 2014 #11

GOOD QUESTION! snot Jan 2014 #23

Hedges says mass protest and civil disobedience. Octafish Jan 2014 #36

a very sad k and r for a very depressing truth niyad Jan 2014 #13

The goal of wholesale surveillance, as Arendt wrote in ''The Origins of Totalitarianism''... Octafish Jan 2014 #15

RIGHT HERE! Titonwan Jan 2014 #73

The time for a boat accident draws near. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #16

Powerful, and worth reading in its entirety. arcane1 Jan 2014 #17

LALALALALALALALALALA Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #18

This message was self-deleted by its author snot Jan 2014 #19

"The welfare of the people in particular has always been the alibi of tyrants Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #20

The way we need to combat this is to attack the root cause Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #25

Thank you for continuing this message. woo me with science Jan 2014 #31

All we can do is to keep pointing it out. I hope each time we do we get at least one new convert Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #32

+ a shit load! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #66

That would be a very good start, I just don't see how it can be made to Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #35

I think it will have to be an organic thing starting with the people. There will be some Dustlawyer Jan 2014 #51

I hope and fear that you are right. The thing that makes me, I guess cynical is the word, is the Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #53

I agree. Focus on the root cause and be relentless. Do not vote for corporate candidates no matter sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #50

Do not vote for corporate candidates even when they are expert at hiding Enthusiast Jan 2014 #67

When Hedges is good, he's very very good, and when he's bad he's horrid struggle4progress Jan 2014 #26

Defund, criminalize, and multi - million dollar awards and medals for leakers. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #38

That would be like climbing the north face of the Eiger with the resolute determination struggle4progress Jan 2014 #39

Possibly, what else is it to do but to sharpen the guillotine? TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #40

i guess some folk are better at sounding mindlessly incoherent than others struggle4progress Jan 2014 #42

We all have our gifts, I reckon. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #78

Ooohh... the Murder Wall (Mordwald) Titonwan Jan 2014 #74

I quote from Hedges' article: JDPriestly Jan 2014 #55

Snowden, Manning, Greenwald, and Assange took "action". Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #57

We need to support them when they appear on the scene. Not many have the courage to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #81

I think he's given up. pothos Jan 2014 #58

Who knows? Titonwan Jan 2014 #75

To the Greatest Page... woo me with science Jan 2014 #29

K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #30

Sorry Chris, even on DU we have people routinely supporting whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #33

On DU we have a great deal of propaganda woo me with science Jan 2014 #37

Certainly some of it is directed whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #43

And that's the skeery part. Titonwan Jan 2014 #76

For all we know, those people are the NSA. grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #48

I believe many are. Enthusiast Jan 2014 #68

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2014 #41

You had me until this... farmbo Jan 2014 #44

How strongly have the newscasters on MSNBC denounced the NSA surveillance? JDPriestly Jan 2014 #54

She has exposed the NSA fig leaf: "We're Just Fighting Terrorists" farmbo Jan 2014 #70

Thanks. That is kind of a litmus test. I apologize for my skepticism. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #85

F.O.S. n/t Titonwan Jan 2014 #77

The Constitution of the US and Bill of Rights vs. The Security and Surveillance Apparatus. DhhD Jan 2014 #46

Glad to be the 100th rec. Phlem Jan 2014 #47

K&R pa28 Jan 2014 #52

But...but...they let us vote for our masters. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #56

Keep it visible. Keep reccing. Keep forwarding this to everyone. nt woo me with science Jan 2014 #60

The US has been on this slow train to a Police State since WELL BEFORE 9/11/2001. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #61

Recommended X 1000! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #62

K&R. nt DLevine Jan 2014 #69

Tennessee forces (ties you down) blood tests on all suspected impaired drivers and pedestrians. dotymed Jan 2014 #71

Alrighty now! Any Snowden haters in the crowd? Titonwan Jan 2014 #72

Glad to K & R. djean111 Jan 2014 #79

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #80

knr Douglas Carpenter Jan 2014 #84

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #86

^Up^ Solly Mack Jan 2014 #87

kick woo me with science Jan 2014 #88

The President is getting his FAST TRACK OF THE TPP! woo me with science Jan 2014 #89

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