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sabrina 1

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11. Thanks Octafish. The Siegelman case is a travesty, of justice, but of much, much more than that.
Mon Jan 13, 2014, 06:46 PM
Jan 2014

Watching the Christie situation too is about much, much more than what we already know about how our system works, the lack of will on the part of Democrats to STAND UP against bullying, against corruption, as in the Siegelman case and in the case of ACORN. The complicity of OUR party, their willingness to quickly abandon their own GOOD Dems, and Siegelman is one of the good guys, has disgusted many people over the past decade or so.

THAT is what needs to be fixed so that we have no more Siegelmans, no more Dems supporting bullies and right wingers like Christie, no more jailing of bloggers who actually have the guts to stand up for people like Siegelman when his own party is too frightened to do so.

What ARE they afraid of? If there is some kind of coercion going on then they NEED TO TELL THE PEOPLE.

And look what happens when someone actually does stand up to them, as in the case of the Fort Lee Mayor while most of his own party were bowing down in front of Christie. THE TRUTH emerges because bullies cannot take anyone standing up them and when someone does, they reveal themselves.

So sick of being on the losing side of issues that we SHOULD be on the winning side of. But that would take guts and REAL Dems and we seem to be in short supply of both on our side of the aisle.

I was thinking about Siegelman today. Being targeted by Rove and his criminal cohorts is bad, but imagine how he must feel about the abandonment of his own party?

ACORN expressed how they felt when the party for whom they signed up over one million voters in 2008 so quickly threw them by the wayside: 'It hurt'! Yes, it did, badly. As did Dems supporting Christie and Dems abandoning Siegelman, and Dems supporting Bush's wars etc etc.

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K&R Blue Owl Jan 2014 #1
Notice NYT did not mention Gov. Don Siegelman... Octafish Jan 2014 #3
Musta got Ham Rove's faxed talking points Blue Owl Jan 2014 #5
Thanks Octafish. The Siegelman case is a travesty, of justice, but of much, much more than that. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #11
K&R this! pscot Jan 2014 #15
K&R for more visibility. nt Mnemosyne Jan 2014 #2
If not us, Who? Octafish Jan 2014 #4
" Generations to come will thank us for it." hootinholler Jan 2014 #6
That's why DU and the Internets are important. Octafish Jan 2014 #32
Great post, Octafish. Thanks, and you are so right. More free press and more sunshine on those who sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #40
D'oh! Forgot the link... Octafish Jan 2014 #46
K&R. nt antigop Jan 2014 #7
I sent Gov. Siegelman a dozen cool blank notecards... druidity33 Jan 2014 #8
Thank you for doing that. His case needs to be kept in the news until the REAL Criminals who sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #12
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #9
K&R octoberlib Jan 2014 #10
Thanks so much for this post. madfloridian Jan 2014 #13
Excellent...now he's gotta retain an attorney. nt msanthrope Jan 2014 #14
K&R Coyotl Jan 2014 #16
So what has the current Democratic Administration done to right this wrong? rhett o rick Jan 2014 #17
I don't think there has ever been a case where corruption was so clear and proven, yet Democrats sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #18
The simple minded among us have decided that all Democrats are good. If you try to tell them rhett o rick Jan 2014 #19
Siegelman wasn't in prison for basically all of Obama's first term Recursion Jan 2014 #20
He is in prison now and as even many Republicans have stated, he DOESN'T BELONG there. There is more sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #21
Huh? Did he not take the money, or did he not appoint Scrushy to the board? Recursion Jan 2014 #24
What do you mean 'did HE not take the money'? No, HE did not profit in any way if that is your sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #25
"a campaign" or "a foundation" or "a charity" is how pols take bribes Recursion Jan 2014 #26
He RE-appointed Scrushy to that board... ljm2002 Jan 2014 #35
Thank you, inconvenient facts to some. For whatever reason. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #41
I guess I dont understand your point. If you are trying to say that Pres Obama has no responsibility rhett o rick Jan 2014 #22
I'm saying he would not pardon him while he wasn't in prison Recursion Jan 2014 #23
He should not be pardoned. The conviction should be overturned, tainted as it was. The same WAY TED sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #28
I agree it probably should; the prosecution was compromised from day 1 Recursion Jan 2014 #29
Don Siegelman was not corrupt. Far from it as even former Republican adversies have stated. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #30
"AL voters unceremonously dumped him for a reason"? red dog 1 Jan 2014 #38
"when Obama pardons Bush and Cheney" zappaman Jan 2014 #27
I hope you're laughing at the idea that the Rule of Law will ever be applied to War Criminals in sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #31
Looks like the "dont commit" strategy. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #45
So I take it you would not support such pardons? nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #36
“Idiocy is not a zero-sum game.” Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #33
It is a great quote. Then the NYT article ends by saying Shuler is his own worst enemy... Octafish Jan 2014 #34
I am thinking that the real enemy are those that pretend to be Democrats that will not rhett o rick Jan 2014 #37
In a way, he has already pardoned, or exonerated or forgiven them. So why the scoffing? Have they sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #42
I understand but when Sen Warren is elected president, she may not be so accommodating. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #44
UPDATE; Thursday, Jan. 16..."Robert Shuler Was Victim of Gross Police Brutality" red dog 1 Jan 2014 #39
Shameful but all too familiar abuse of power for political purposes. These people NEED our support sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #43
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