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BrotherIvan

(9,126 posts)
24. You have captured my feeling exactly
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 02:06 PM
Jan 2014

I too bemoan the values that put money above all else. When I was teaching, and I asked students what their interests were, every single future path was about making money. Not what truly interested them, or allowed them to travel, or fulfill their dreams: money. I have relatives who put down my choices for a moral, happier life because with my level of education and previous income, I "should be loaded." We shame the poor and praise the rich and famous. How else could someone like Mitt Romney be thought a "good person" and "smart" but the only reason anyone could give was that he was rich; so he must be.

I see that way of thinking as automatic in even my best friends. Money above all else. Money as the primary, exclusive goal. Money as the measure of happiness. Wealth as the measure of all things. I have to make a conscious effort sometimes to check myself when I think that way. We have no idea what to teach our children about how to be a good person and live a happy, successful life besides money. We used to have a picture of what being a good person was: raising a loving family, helping your neighbors and earning their respect, and having personal integrity because that makes one a complete person. I'm not saying everyone lived up to that standard, but it was my impression that middle class folk, who will likely never move up unless there is some great good luck, found those goals to be reasonable. Now, everyone, no matter the possibility, no matter what it takes to get there, we should all be billionaires or famous courtesans of billionaires or we are worthless human beings. Worth less.

I keep saying it, but I don't know how it's done: we need a new vision of the American Dream. One that shows people that working like a slave at a job you hate to buy more crap you don't need is not the path to pursue. The idea that people can be happy without constant consumption (and it's good for the planet too). That things like education and compassion and creativity make one far, far happier. That's the truth we have lost.

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minority of poor? PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #1
I think the majority are in the middle. redqueen Jan 2014 #7
Bell curve? PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #9
I don't see an image. redqueen Jan 2014 #10
hmmm. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #12
Aha. Thanks. redqueen Jan 2014 #26
Very good observation! JusticeForAll Jan 2014 #20
The RW tells them they too can be rich so support the interests of the rich Armstead Jan 2014 #14
Yep, exactly. redqueen Jan 2014 #30
Yeah, you have no idea how many conservatives I've talked to that were barely getting by who Rozlee Jan 2014 #44
But if you THINK you're wealthy, does it really matter if you're not?? 7962 Jan 2014 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author El_Johns Jan 2014 #28
There is still a middle class -- but its getting smaller Armstead Jan 2014 #13
The middle class is 1/3 of the population. airplaneman Jan 2014 #45
The point is the same -- It Sucks Armstead Jan 2014 #49
inequality…. handmade34 Jan 2014 #48
Pretty f'ing frightening Armstead Jan 2014 #50
Worse, the effective media propaganda campaign has Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #2
Yep. Convince people that being poor is shameful, and it means you're bad. redqueen Jan 2014 #8
yep. That is a huge part of the problem Armstead Jan 2014 #16
"we ... support a set of values" frazzled Jan 2014 #3
We all need some glitzy distraction...but it has gotten way out of whack Armstead Jan 2014 #17
You have captured my feeling exactly BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #24
Yeah, even education has become about making money frazzled Jan 2014 #36
Wow, I wish we could have this discussion over coffee or drinks! BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #57
I opt for drinks! frazzled Jan 2014 #60
Me too! BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #62
Your post articulates the way I've always felt..... llmart Jan 2014 #42
I will check out that book BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #58
I agree that sometimes it takes a tragedy to wake some people up...... llmart Jan 2014 #71
Hey, this guy is a commie! ^^ Cirque du So-What Jan 2014 #4
The "natural order of things"! bigmonkey Jan 2014 #5
That's why I used it Cirque du So-What Jan 2014 #6
I think it works the other way too, actually. bigmonkey Jan 2014 #11
Speaking of bad Economics classes... Cirque du So-What Jan 2014 #19
That's actually a pretty good label for what we have today -- Sociopathic Capitalism Armstead Jan 2014 #25
Yes Conmrade Armstead Jan 2014 #23
"But we don't bother to even really try." ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #15
I'm going to disagree on that one. davidthegnome Jan 2014 #22
We're cowards because we allowed it to come to this Armstead Jan 2014 #27
I'm sorry to be rude and jump in, but I disagree with that idea BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #35
good post Armstead Jan 2014 #37
It's not rude to say what you think. davidthegnome Jan 2014 #43
I absolutely hear what you are saying BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #67
Not long ago... davidthegnome Jan 2014 #70
Damn, I've had the same dreams BrotherIvan Jan 2014 #72
Don't forget one big part of the Gilded Age of the late 1800's... Wounded Bear Jan 2014 #18
I question whether a truly 'liberal media' ever existed Cirque du So-What Jan 2014 #21
It's always been a mixed bag Armstead Jan 2014 #29
The whole concept of a 'liberal media' is just the RWers working the refs... Wounded Bear Jan 2014 #31
Certainly, but also remember the biggest part of all was played in DC. With very few exceptions, Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #61
Who Stole The American Dream cantbeserious Jan 2014 #32
Republicans do what Jesus tells them, and RW media and the pastors they own valerief Jan 2014 #33
That's one of the big mistakes liberals made Armstead Jan 2014 #38
Pro-wealth, pro-establishment conservatives ... dawg Jan 2014 #54
les mise'rables heaven05 Jan 2014 #34
Yeah but don't you realize Christie closed a bridge? SHRED Jan 2014 #39
I tell Right Wingers that Reagan believed in VOLUNTARY wealth redistribution.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2014 #40
Yeah. It sure didn't go into payroll. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #75
I like to tell people to picture the guy busting his ass getting his boss a bunch of new business... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #77
That is not an entirely inaccurate picture. Enthusiast Mar 2015 #78
"Shark Tank" has got people all over America saying, "Why don't YOU do that???"... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2015 #79
"as a nation we either passively accept or actively support a set of values and policies that are abelenkpe Jan 2014 #41
watched "Wolf of Wall Street" last night. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #47
Distractions gulliver Jan 2014 #51
I'm a little confused by your response Armstead Jan 2014 #64
It's a tough issue. gulliver Jan 2014 #68
gotta paint the 2% as the REAL takers. the vampire squids. pansypoo53219 Jan 2014 #52
Very thoughtful. kentuck Jan 2014 #53
Hi Kentuck Armstead Jan 2014 #65
Free trade and improved automation make labor less valuable. dawg Jan 2014 #55
EXACTLY !!! - K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #56
No McKinley or Roosevelt on the horizon. All effective opposition has been swept away, Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #59
Yes, the lack of awareness and concern is baffling Armstead Jan 2014 #66
Unfortunately, I came to the same conclusion. Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #73
I guess one could try and live as simply as possible, but Armstead Jan 2014 #74
Humans are not rational animals so much as they are animals that rationalize n/t Fumesucker Jan 2014 #63
In the Socialist Progressive Group TBF Jan 2014 #69
I'll tip, but I won't say 'all'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Mar 2015 #76
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