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In reply to the discussion: Where's the Outrage? [View all]

TheKentuckian

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75. Okay, for purposes of the debate let us let that assesment stand.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 12:51 PM
Mar 2012

Will you oppose this targeting for those who there is no such public record? Will you at least make in accomodation in your thought process for a few important things like we are not only talking about this one target but a much broader program where it would be fair to say are far less famous with little trail, that the "battlefield" is global and that in probably the super majority or greater cases the "battlefield" is no such thing in anything remotely similar to how it tends to immediatly come to mind with little in the way of shooting back and forth on any level, that there is no state, little if any objectives that can be taken, the enemy has no uniform or flag, has no government to swear alligence to or that can be broken, and in general and logically that the certainty of who is the enemy is or why you have been attacked because the background noise is so intense once you are at war with ideologies and worse tactics.

I'd also add that the enemy is not an existential threat. Some argue otherwise but the arguments lean heavily toward delusional and certainly to the highly speculative.

They have no satellites, no navy, no airforce, no credible military, nary a tank, and by even the most generous assessments no numbers to have the scale to be more than a contextual annoyance with their greatest success and typically pissing into the wind.
I think too many watched a few episodes of 24 after living in some trance that built the illusion of being magically untouchable by activity that happens around the world, even in Europe enough that folks don't start believing in magic protection fields powered by exceptionalisim.

Terrorisim is a tactic and a generally applied one (please don't dare pretend we don't utilize it, what the hell would "Shock and Awe" be, especially when we are the aggressor?). The scale being small enough, participated in by those without state or title doesn't make it some unfathonable and ultimate threat.

This entire notion is no less absurd with a cool as a cucumber professor mouthing the nonsense than it was with the dry drunk cowboy from the northeast via Texas. The margin of error is high and the potential for abuse extreme and unchecked by design.
The "damn the torpedos", "let God sort em out", and by all means the insane level of self justifying "if we are shooting at them"/"if they got arrested for ____" they must be guilty" logic is orders of magnitude a greater threat due to rot from within and at the root of our society than a handful of extremist hiding in holes spread around the globe.

Where's the Outrage? [View all] Octafish Mar 2012 OP
must've gotten drowned out by the celebration hfojvt Mar 2012 #1
Great list, really shows who's sheriff-in-chief. Octafish Mar 2012 #3
Saddam had a trial. quaker bill Mar 2012 #9
+1,000,000! This must be repeated every time this is brought up. Zalatix Mar 2012 #48
Saddam had a SHOW TRIAL. So, no, that didn't make it better. I thought I had reached truth2power Mar 2012 #65
"...what Osama would have said at trial". Something inconvenient about the Empire, I'm sure. IMO truth2power Mar 2012 #66
zombies Vincardog Mar 2012 #2
Zombies at least react to external stimuli...fire, silver bullets, etc. Octafish Mar 2012 #5
Like the tsunami of climate change? Too many say "that is debatable" and drive away in their SUV. Vincardog Mar 2012 #14
Cry me a river. denbot Mar 2012 #4
What did the kid ever do to you? Octafish Mar 2012 #6
It's not an issue of what he has or has not done to me. denbot Mar 2012 #11
In the Great WOT, the whole world is the 'field of battle'. Where should he have sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #13
Yeman is as much an alley as Pakistan. denbot Mar 2012 #21
Yemen is not in a shooting war with the US. And it was not 'crossfire' that killed sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #23
Hello! Awlaki was a self avowed "Holy Warrior" What the hell kind of other proof do you need? denbot Mar 2012 #29
What a fucking pantload. Webster Green Mar 2012 #47
Ah Webster, how ya been? denbot Mar 2012 #54
Yemen is not a theater of operations, any more than the claim that the whole world is sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #12
Yemen IS a very important base of operations for groups waging war on you and me. denbot Mar 2012 #18
You have made a lot of allegations, but like everyone else who has defended this sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #20
Asymmetrical warfare is different then a domestic criminal issue. denbot Mar 2012 #25
"No matter how much you may want to disassociate yourself from a battle occuring far from you, tledford Mar 2012 #112
How do you know he knowingly associated with any criminals? Zalatix Mar 2012 #19
The kids father was actively openly at war with the U.S., and broght his kid with him. denbot Mar 2012 #26
Your evidence supporting your claims is that they were fired upon? Seriously? Zalatix Mar 2012 #44
Seriously, I trust that the personel involved with the strike were convinced of their target. denbot Mar 2012 #52
1) No, I don't blindly trust the military or Government; and Zalatix Mar 2012 #53
I do not trust blindly, I served in that region, and know that the people involved are professionals denbot Mar 2012 #55
Answers Zalatix Mar 2012 #56
You aren't sure how many U.S. deaths would it take to apprehend that combatant, OK. denbot Mar 2012 #59
I concede that you have zero evidence of al-Banna's guilt. Zalatix Mar 2012 #62
Sign, since when is war a question of guilt or innocence. denbot Mar 2012 #91
"Since when is war a question of guilt or innocence." hahahahahaha LOL REALLY? Zalatix Mar 2012 #92
The term used was the very same term YOU used, "savages". denbot Mar 2012 #94
I said the INVADERS of this country called native Americans savages. And they did. Zalatix Mar 2012 #95
Your first paragraph here, you should have thought this through and maybe actually looked stuff up. PavePusher Mar 2012 #83
You didn't read the Downing Street memos, did you? Zalatix Mar 2012 #84
Has nothing to do with what I posted, in direct refutation of your claims. PavePusher Mar 2012 #85
Yes it does address what you said. 100%. You're just unable to answer it. Zalatix Mar 2012 #87
That statement is self justifying stupidity. Your burden of proof is set at "they shot at them" TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #57
The burden of proof on a battle field is irelevant, what is relevant, is a tactical decision. denbot Mar 2012 #60
Without reading any further, I suggest you reread that statement and decide if you Tunkamerica Mar 2012 #58
I am very comfortable with my political leanings. denbot Mar 2012 #61
Here's the outrage: This mass murderer stalked civilians farmbo Mar 2012 #22
I will tell you a story that relates to the lack of outrage nadinbrzezinski Mar 2012 #7
Wars that dehumanize the enemy also dehumanize the citizens of warmongering nations sad sally Mar 2012 #30
Truer words have never been spoken sad sally. denbot Mar 2012 #32
Happy St. Patrick's Day, Hermana! Octafish Mar 2012 #36
Well, this is, after all, a bipartisan war MadHound Mar 2012 #8
That is very much what it looks like. Octafish Mar 2012 #37
The others in the truck with him quaker bill Mar 2012 #10
If you want to see a real contradiction look at the difference the "media" treats an abducted blond Vincardog Mar 2012 #15
Some propose rights quaker bill Mar 2012 #51
A drone targeted one person and deliberately killed him? Sorry, can't buy it. What about friendly fi judesedit Mar 2012 #16
Friendly fire is when you kill your own troops or actual allies. denbot Mar 2012 #34
The whole "killing a US citizen" thing plays well, doesn't it? Robb Mar 2012 #17
The issue of him being a citizen is raised because the question is and has been since the sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #31
"It did not occur to anyone at that time that there were US citizens who were part of the equation." Robb Mar 2012 #33
How's this for a lengthy response? denbot Mar 2012 #35
I personally have no problem sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #39
Please list all the extra due process rights US Citizens get jeff47 Mar 2012 #71
Didn't we have this discussion before? sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #80
No, that's your mistaken memory of that conversation. jeff47 Mar 2012 #81
I 'failed' as you call it, to mention extra rights because I believe all detainees regardless of sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #82
So...do you always assume people are horrible warmongers, or do you just read that into my posts? jeff47 Mar 2012 #97
I understand that the latest talking point is to pretend that the Left is only concerned about sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #98
Agreed Zalatix Mar 2012 #63
They used to lock threads about the subject bananas Mar 2012 #24
Well, Union Scribe Mar 2012 #43
They didn't believe this admin was into assassinating US citizens back then? Rex Mar 2012 #90
If I knew only people like President Obama would be in power from here on out, boxman15 Mar 2012 #27
Thankfully ... GeorgeGist Mar 2012 #38
WOW. bvar22 Mar 2012 #67
I'm not outraged. Fuck that guy sideways. Throd Mar 2012 #28
K&R midnight Mar 2012 #40
I'm outraged that this BS keeps getting spinned and posted so many times here. Tx4obama Mar 2012 #41
Assassination, black operations, the privatization-mercenaries running "intell", torturers-OUTRAGE! bobthedrummer Mar 2012 #46
You are the one who is spinning this stuff. Webster Green Mar 2012 #49
This is a fine example of what stops informed readers 50000feet Mar 2012 #102
Here's an example below Tx4obama Mar 2012 #105
+1. "It would be nice if folks spent more time thinking about our FSogol Mar 2012 #104
Thanks. And see comment #105 too. n/t Tx4obama Mar 2012 #106
If that's well said 50000feet Mar 2012 #111
There is something wrong with the age. Trillo Mar 2012 #42
The kid was NOT killed for something a parent was alleged to have done Tx4obama Mar 2012 #45
That is a really lame excuse. Webster Green Mar 2012 #50
Are you seriously arguing that large quantities of high explosives jeff47 Mar 2012 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author girl gone mad Mar 2012 #100
Contractors Role Grows in Drone Missions, Worrying Some in the Military (David S. Cloud; Truthout 12 bobthedrummer Mar 2012 #77
The BAE Files (The Guardian UK archives and current entries) bobthedrummer Mar 2012 #78
why can't the US military just use tranquilizer darts Snake Alchemist Mar 2012 #64
You know...that wouldn't hold up either...right? Sheepshank Mar 2012 #68
Okay, for purposes of the debate let us let that assesment stand. TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Mar 2012 #86
Boy, a whole lotta assumptive statements in that first paragraph Sheepshank Mar 2012 #88
So, you argue that Al Queda psoses and exitential threat to the United States? TheKentuckian Mar 2012 #109
Because we'd have to be given power to arrest people jeff47 Mar 2012 #69
What's with the continuing US Citizen bullshit? jeff47 Mar 2012 #70
Why do you continue to claim that the opposition to these policies are just a 'US Citizen' sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #89
Do you not read the threads you are responding to? jeff47 Mar 2012 #96
It's sad that you feel compelled to invent points people are not making. sabrina 1 Mar 2012 #101
Ok, since you are incapable of reading my posts, I really don't see the point jeff47 Mar 2012 #103
K&R. nt OnyxCollie Mar 2012 #73
It's going to be an Occupy spring. nt woo me with science Mar 2012 #74
ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, but some are more equal than others. Fluidizer Mar 2012 #76
Welcome to DU Fluidizer-sounds like the Fuhrerprinzip to many of US here in Wisconsin. bobthedrummer Mar 2012 #79
Ave marasinghe Mar 2012 #99
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2012 #93
Militants kill American teacher in Yemen Tx4obama Mar 2012 #107
That is tragic. Octafish Mar 2012 #108
OUTRAGE: Neighbor Hood watches that are linked to corrupted/racist law enforcement, given use of PD bobthedrummer Mar 2012 #110
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