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68. CIA blamed Philip Agee for outting one its agents CIA had previously outted...

Tue Jan 28, 2014, 05:28 PM

Jan 2014

...the agent, Richard Welch, was murdered outside his residence in Athens.

At the time, the Pike and Church committees were exposing CIA criminality to the nation and world.

Once the poor agent was killed, Poppy Bush, then head of CIA, got the assets in the press to echo how whistleblower Philip Agee had named and exposed the CIA man.

The fact of the matter was, while he had outted other CIA agents publicly, Agee never mentioned Mr. Welch.

What did happen, the resulting media firestorm about the "outting" led Congress to shut down its investigations of CIA PDQ. A couple of DUers tell the full story here.

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All here who think giving Al Qaeda information is no big deal, raise your hands [View all] Whisp Jan 2014 OP

The question is are these programs necesssary and if so el_bryanto Jan 2014 #1

No, that is not the question of this OP. Whisp Jan 2014 #4

"Or some just like to stir the shit, stir stir stir and pretend" Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #7

Glorious HangOnKids Jan 2014 #71

IKR!? Rex Jan 2014 #79

Should people at this board be afraid to defend Snowden in your opinion? nt el_bryanto Jan 2014 #12

Of course not, that is also not the topic tho. Whisp Jan 2014 #16

Should people on this be able to point out Cha Jan 2014 #25

I'd say not. Certainly this incident seems like an error. el_bryanto Jan 2014 #26

That's too bad.. Snowden is a fuck up. Cha Jan 2014 #39

What's too bad? nt el_bryanto Jan 2014 #40

Not only that, Cha, Isoldeblue Jan 2014 #107

ES had made this about himself with his propaganda missives from Russia.. Cha Jan 2014 #125

Exactly Cha! Isoldeblue Jan 2014 #128

I'm more cynical than that, Isoldeblue.. Cha Jan 2014 #132

Oh YES it does.... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #77

If the folk saying that believe it, then DonViejo Jan 2014 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author CJCRANE Jan 2014 #59

Your frame is crappy, so el bryanto bought you a better one. The proper response is "thank you" Scootaloo Jan 2014 #126

In your world.. sendero Jan 2014 #127

Nailed the real issue in one post! Rex Jan 2014 #86

AL QAEDA? Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #2

Rush Limbuagh couldn't say it any better FreakinDJ Jan 2014 #3

Al CIAduh? wildbilln864 Jan 2014 #5

how about G_j Jan 2014 #6

Snowden and GG could be accessories to some heavy stuff Whisp Jan 2014 #9

I am not sure but can charges be placed against Snowden if one of our agents are harmed? Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #105

I am very scared of Al Queda, I look under the bed every night for them before I sleep quinnox Jan 2014 #8

I'm not too afraid of them either, to tell the truth. Whisp Jan 2014 #11

I really don't get the OP, or what you are saying. All I got from it is more fear spreading quinnox Jan 2014 #13

the hypocracy of the ones who claim Whisp Jan 2014 #22

I'll continue to defend him. I'm not a sniveling chicken shits. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #53

of course, it's can't be Snowden's fault... Whisp Jan 2014 #55

Little different than all the other classified info that they have Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #61

Your premise is very weak AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #130

Seriously? You find they are no threat? treestar Jan 2014 #121

Quick: Name a member of AL Qaeda--any member. No Google allowed. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #10

I can't name anyone on the Boston Celtics or Charlotte Bobcats. Do they not exist now too? FSogol Jan 2014 #14

Bang your skull all you'd like. You may eventually get my point. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #20

"and my skull all you'd like?" FSogol Jan 2014 #21

WTF? It was a typo, should have been "bang your skull...". Apologies DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #41

No one in Charlotte can name a Bobcat either dsc Jan 2014 #24

I was going to cry, 'trick question' Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #27

actually I think they did dsc Jan 2014 #28

Wiki says next season Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #29

That's easy - Abu Nazir quinnox Jan 2014 #38

What do I get for naming a member of Al Qaeda? Chan790 Jan 2014 #51

wow you know a lot of peeps in Al Qaeda. Maybe the NSA should be keeping an eye on you. Vattel Jan 2014 #60

I'm answering without looking up these names DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #66

Oh noes! Al Qaeda knows the name of one NSA agent! OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #15

So this article that you linked to.. Another Bob Cesca rant on Snowden, basically says SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #17

+100 RC Jan 2014 #80

Why drives me crazy is it's so plain to see.. SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #97

I don't disagree that Isoldeblue Jan 2014 #111

Important point. The rant that Cesca posted did NOT say the NSA was spying on people through okaawhatever Jan 2014 #83

People like me screaming about apps? WTF are you talking about? SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #90

Cesca's blog post is completely unsourced. Completely unsubstantiated. riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #88

Same as the one about the Australia/Indonesia war a couple days ago. SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #92

All those terrified of some goat herders living in caves on the other side of the Earth Bandit Jan 2014 #18

+1 cali Jan 2014 #33

"National Sucker-ity" 1000words Jan 2014 #42

+10 FreakinDJ Jan 2014 #118

No one thinks that nil desperandum Jan 2014 #19

All here who think the U.S. government illegally and unconstitutionally spying Broward Jan 2014 #23

Sadly, there are a lot of hands here that would go up. Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #63

All here who think having the NSA in operation is no big deal, raise your hands. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #30

Why do people do all manner of things that are not 100% safe? Fumesucker Jan 2014 #31

bang those terror drums, whisp. good job. cali Jan 2014 #32

whoosh Whisp Jan 2014 #45

Who thinks someone is watching every person all the time? SomethingFishy Jan 2014 #56

It is the Usual Suspects spreading FUD, like always. Rex Jan 2014 #84

Hahahahahaha ... 1000words Jan 2014 #34

Alexander has already admitted the NSA hasn't stopped any terrorist attacks riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #36

al quaeda.. sounds familiar frwrfpos Jan 2014 #37

but, but, but... they're sooooo scary!!! reusrename Jan 2014 #47

Why don't you just say that all those in favor of the NSA snooping on everyone raise their hands hobbit709 Jan 2014 #43

Our country's creeping coporate fascism scares me way more than Al Qaeda n/t Kurska Jan 2014 #44

DU rec... SidDithers Jan 2014 #46

People seem more amused by this latest attempt to manipulate than pissed off. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #57

Tomato - Tomahto...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #62

He thinks being a copycat makes him smart! Rex Jan 2014 #91

We called the Bush Admin cowardly fucks when they tried scaring us with al Qaeda DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #48

Yep. The alert level thingy was regularly mocked. Luminous Animal Jan 2014 #64

Boogie oogie woogie! nt Earth_First Jan 2014 #49

OK, agents names ought not be published. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #50

Did you read the blog post that's linked? There's absolutely ZERO evidence for any of this smear riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #76

No, I don't need to. bemildred Jan 2014 #114

The OP however is wrong. And many lazy DUers simply never go to the links riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #116

Sounds like an Acrobat document. bemildred Jan 2014 #117

You mean agents like Alexander and Clapper? RC Jan 2014 #95

They are not secret agents. They are public agents. bemildred Jan 2014 #115

I don't believe NSA has secret agents. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #119

They certainly don't seem to want their names published. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #122

And how many of the people who support Snowden were outraged at the outing of Valerie Plame? riqster Jan 2014 #52

There's no such thing as an NSA "agent". They aren't covert like CIA agents. nt riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #58

Still, the article tied a specific person to a program. riqster Jan 2014 #67

No actually the article does no such thing. There's not a single source listed for this. Like Drudge riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #75

The NSA does have covert operations and cover identities Whisp Jan 2014 #69

Is there a law against outing a NSA agent? OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #65

If it gets somebody killed, what matters legality? riqster Jan 2014 #70

Killed? Nice hypothetical ya got there. OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #74

Try this, more applicable scenario on for size: riqster Jan 2014 #81

Try this, more applicable scenario on for size: OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jan 2014 #85

Eeek! Terra! Eeek! Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #54

CIA blamed Philip Agee for outting one its agents CIA had previously outted... Octafish Jan 2014 #68

Did you read the blog post Octafish? This is an unsubstantiated smear job without any facts riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #78

A few people here complain the loudest, while pushing FUD on this site 24/7. Rex Jan 2014 #93

The Daily Banter is doing someone's dirty bidding. Octafish Jan 2014 #131

The largest threat to the nation's security is global warming progressoid Jan 2014 #72

Which is it? That's easy. Vattel Jan 2014 #73

I thought this was a JOKE thread, bvar22 Jan 2014 #87

It is why they have zero credibility and 99% of the replies are always mocking them. Rex Jan 2014 #94

He said he was handling the documents carefully. randome Jan 2014 #96

You're looking extremely foolish. There's absolutely ZERO substantiation for this rumor riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #110

It's just metadata. Nothing to worry about. Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #89

That is how I understand it and I'm not worried. Whisp Jan 2014 #98

Fight those strawmen Whisp. I think you can knock them down. Vattel Jan 2014 #99

Yap Yap? HangOnKids Jan 2014 #104

Just the Meta-Data?, and you're not worried? bvar22 Jan 2014 #106

No Holy Shit It Is Just Yap Yap HangOnKids Jan 2014 #109

Pathetic. Union Scribe Jan 2014 #100

Names of NSA employees in anti-al-Qaeda operation - now on LinkedIn muriel_volestrangler Jan 2014 #101

to bad NSA didn't warn us warrprayer Jan 2014 #102

more surveillance state propaganda.... mike_c Jan 2014 #103

I feel it's a HUGE deal! Isoldeblue Jan 2014 #108

why do you continue to give that flawed blogger attention? grasswire Jan 2014 #112

he's also alarmist, you forgot that one. Whisp Jan 2014 #113

Anything to keep Eddie as hero treestar Jan 2014 #120

Thedailybanter.com? lol LittleBlue Jan 2014 #123

Your post is deserving of... TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #124

I have never been swayed by right wing "Al Quaeda" scare tactic talking points AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #129