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OnyxCollie

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55. When the leader of the free world

Sat Feb 1, 2014, 12:32 AM

Feb 2014

decides it can execute someone without a trial, in addition to declaring the entire world a battlefield, one who exposes the crimes of said leader must hide out in less than pleasant places to ensure survival, particularly places where a missile attack would start a world war.

Attorney General Eric Holder Speaks at Northwestern University School of Law
Chicago ~ Monday, March 5, 2012
http://www.justice.gov/iso/opa/ag/speeches/2012/ag-speech-1203051.html

Some have argued that the President is required to get permission from a federal court before taking action against a United States citizen who is a senior operational leader of al Qaeda or associated forces. This is simply not accurate. “Due process” and “judicial process” are not one and the same, particularly when it comes to national security. The Constitution guarantees due process, not judicial process.

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Should Snowden Have Run Away? [View all] Bragi Jan 2014 OP

OMG MORE with the comparisons to MLK and Ghandi? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #1

Read the OP Bragi Jan 2014 #5

Duh...but still...who could even not see that that it has to even BE said... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #16

What he uncovered would not have been known if he had stayed in the US. Lint Head Jan 2014 #2

says who? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #27

And there will be changes at the NSA caused by the actions of that scalded dog. Lint Head Feb 2014 #46

He still ain't no hero.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #47

Who said he was a hero? Many "heroes" have criticized the US. Even the Founding Fathers did that. Lint Head Feb 2014 #54

This THREAD is about that...... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #59

It is, VA... sheshe2 Feb 2014 #61

This thread is not about hero worship or heroes. Do you call every discussion about Snowden Lint Head Feb 2014 #90

B.S. We know. He saw what happened to others who tried to blow the whistle through snot Feb 2014 #72

Do you know ANYTHING about this.. sendero Feb 2014 #77

Agreed. Nt newfie11 Feb 2014 #69

America didn't torture then the way it does now MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #3

You might want to study up on the 50s and 60s before you talk out of place and time. A woman struggle4progress Jan 2014 #11

No question, bad things were done then. Awful things. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #18

You don't know what "of consequence" might be in the 730K documents Manning released: struggle4progress Jan 2014 #25

The military admitted this. MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #29

Your rhetoric is useless to me: it wanders too quickly from facts that can be analyzed struggle4progress Feb 2014 #56

Dear Lord! MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #60

Reitman founded the "Bradley Manning Support Network" according her link at that website struggle4progress Feb 2014 #62

You seriously think what happened to OWS is WORSE than what happened in the 60's? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #28

No, it wasn't. MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #35

Look up what happened at Jackson State eleven days later struggle4progress Feb 2014 #40

an anomaly.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #42

Sorry, you're wrong, way wrong brush Feb 2014 #81

You don't remember the Nixon era very well, do you? We had COINTELPRO, Nixon's use of the IRS struggle4progress Jan 2014 #17

How many Americans did Nixon imprison and torture as enemies of the state? MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #21

How many did Nixon have shot dead on a college campus? VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #31

Zero. nt MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #33

None were killed protesting? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #44

Nixon had them shot dead? MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #49

did you read the blurb....and are you saying Obama directly himself made the orders against VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #51

Rhetorical questions are not a substantial substitute for factual analysis. struggle4progress Feb 2014 #37

What whistleblower got tortured? VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #48

Ever hear of Bradley or Chelsea Manning? Octafish Feb 2014 #89

Are people really comparing Snowden to MLK and Ghandi? seriously? uppityperson Jan 2014 #4

Huh? People? nt Bragi Jan 2014 #6

I understand your OP says why you can not, and I am asking if people are. Aside from how they are uppityperson Jan 2014 #7

YES they are...right here.. VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #19

"And a Virgin Mary in a pear tree!" randome Feb 2014 #91

I don't believe in pear trees VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #92

Ahhh . . . MLK was not in jail but for a short time . . . brush Feb 2014 #84

Yes. I know it offends your sensibilities but they are, and rightly so. last1standing Jan 2014 #8

My my my, don't you get tired? Making all those assumptions, jumping to those conclusions? uppityperson Jan 2014 #10

LOL! I did long jump in highschool. last1standing Jan 2014 #13

I seldom post in GD these days as it seems snark is the major comeback. I hold MLK and Ghandi uppityperson Jan 2014 #20

Most of us are far too guilty. last1standing Jan 2014 #30

Totally agree with yr take on Snowden, MLK and Ghandi... Violet_Crumble Feb 2014 #73

That is in NO WAY the same kind of "suffering" those men endured... VanillaRhapsody Jan 2014 #22

<sigh> Adrahil Feb 2014 #80

No. The OP is about why Snowden's situation is NOT like MLK or Ghandi riderinthestorm Jan 2014 #12

Good grief. uppityperson Jan 2014 #15

Let's ask Chelsea Manning if Snowden should have stayed. OnyxCollie Jan 2014 #9

What is your theory about how the US should proceed against persons who appear to be organizing struggle4progress Jan 2014 #24

summary execution , of course Rumold Feb 2014 #66

Sarcasm isn't particularly informative. al-Awlaki was demonstrably in contact with struggle4progress Feb 2014 #67

there is no sarcasm Rumold Feb 2014 #76

Chelsea Manning is Military....FAR FAR worse treatment if you are military VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #34

I am not sure how staying could have helped him arely staircase Jan 2014 #14

hmmmmm you may just have a point there... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #36

Was there a break in this story that I didn't hear? n/t TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #57

Fuckin' YUP. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2014 #23

He went to a country where individual rights are held in the highest esteem Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #26

Safe from assassination by Predator drone in Hong Kong and Russia. OnyxCollie Feb 2014 #39

He is in a country that protects the rights of its people to be free Agnosticsherbet Feb 2014 #43

When the leader of the free world OnyxCollie Feb 2014 #55

+ infinity!!! newfie11 Feb 2014 #70

the intellectual dishonesty of those who completely avoid the point.... mike_c Jan 2014 #32

YES He HAS! VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #38

Was MLK or Ghandi charged with Espionage? Guess I missed that one. This two are Thinkingabout Feb 2014 #41

No. He's doing more good now than if he were in a federal prison. rug Feb 2014 #45

he still ain't no hero.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #50

Hero, schmero. He's revealing important things. rug Feb 2014 #52

THIS thread is about the Hero worshipping of him.... VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #53

...no, it isn't. Union Scribe Feb 2014 #63

and whether or not that makes him a "hero" VanillaRhapsody Feb 2014 #64

That really isn't what the article is about. Union Scribe Feb 2014 #65

Quite so! nt Bragi Feb 2014 #86

Like a little sneaky thief in the night?.. Cha Feb 2014 #58

Perhaps forcing Snowden to stay in Russia and seek asylum there was a mistake? bemildred Feb 2014 #88

He'd been in a hole for the next 25 years or so if he did. redgreenandblue Feb 2014 #68

Can we afford to reject any good anyone does for us? snot Feb 2014 #71

There is an old saying Savannahmann Feb 2014 #74

Just to reiterate: Reason is a RW libertarian propaganda outlet. baldguy Feb 2014 #75

I see that Bragi Feb 2014 #87

Hey, here's an idea. randome Feb 2014 #78

Post-factual speculation is fun but pointless. The fact is he split. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #79

Did Paul Revere run away?...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #82

You missed your opportunity. randome Feb 2014 #85

Never seen anyone compare him to MLK or Gandhi. NCTraveler Feb 2014 #83