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Vinnie From Indy

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395. Being able to take conservative policies and make a few minor adjustments was Bill Clinton's

Sat Feb 1, 2014, 05:47 PM

Feb 2014

real political genius. Welfare to work and NAFTA are two good examples of initiatives that Clinton straight up stole from the GOP and made his own. The GOP was flummoxed by this strategy for a few years allowing Clinton to get reelected. The GOP struggled to find big differences in issues to highlight during the reelection of Clinton and that effort drove them further to the right.

Obama has, since the beginning, used the Clinton strategy during his Admin. Again, it has driven some conservatives even further to the right and, I believe, given birth to the Tea Party. This group easily staked out ground far to the right of mainstream old guard Republicans and that is what we are seeing today in our political system. Gridlock is far better for conservatives because it denies Obama victories EVEN IF the victories are something that they themselves had championed a few years back. What we see out here in flyover is simply gridlock which is being caused by Obama adopting the Clinton way.

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American State of the Union: A Festival of Lies [View all] Octafish Jan 2014 OP

Thank you so much for posting this idiot's article! tridim Jan 2014 #1

The idiot's article is quit insightful. RC Jan 2014 #4

No kidding BainsBane Jan 2014 #14

yep heaven05 Jan 2014 #16

Facts matter, even if one does not like them. RC Jan 2014 #21

That in no way addresses my point BainsBane Jan 2014 #25

So what you're saying is that we should accept the fact that our sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #124

Can you not read that response again and realize.... Sheepshank Jan 2014 #162

Did you ever answer the question 'why did the US Government trap sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #173

another typical MO...deflect. The predictability is tiresome. n/t Sheepshank Jan 2014 #179

Yes, the predictability of those who try to deflect from inconvenient questions sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #210

got yer six, gurl. Titonwan Jan 2014 #169

I dont't expect people to be silent about issues BainsBane Feb 2014 #486

Unions? nt clarice Jan 2014 #127

Hope and CHANGE?!?!? democratisphere Feb 2014 #454

There is always the GOP BainsBane Feb 2014 #487

Well at least you agree he's just a lying corporate tool while you're being rude and condescending. cui bono Jan 2014 #154

That's how I read the comment too Generic Other Jan 2014 #221

You read wrong BainsBane Jan 2014 #297

No, you did not understand my post BainsBane Jan 2014 #287

So, money talks and bullshit walks.... SammyWinstonJack Jan 2014 #286

Yeah cause he needs money for re-election!1! JNelson6563 Jan 2014 #26

Bullshit, starts of with Bush dismissive winger meme bullshit uponit7771 Jan 2014 #43

And continue with Obama's keeping many of bu$h's appointees in place and appointing RC Jan 2014 #61

Apparently, it's okay if Obama does it. SammyWinstonJack Jan 2014 #294

For too many people around here it absolutely is. RC Jan 2014 #304

The President "danced like Mr. Bojangles to get around the issues at hand," is insightful? msanthrope Feb 2014 #449

Why don't you post a few facts to counter his arguments? Octafish Jan 2014 #5

I don't respond to idiot rantings. Sometimes people just are. tridim Jan 2014 #6

So, inside your head you contain all you need to know. Octafish Jan 2014 #10

that's a cheesy excuse. you don't respond because you haven't the ability to cali Jan 2014 #13

Sometimes the truth is harsh. zeemike Jan 2014 #22

Facts are just things to annoy the dedicated. obxhead Jan 2014 #41

Um, what was reply #1 all about then? hootinholler Jan 2014 #37

"I don't respond to idiot rantings. Sometimes people just are." Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #103

Do you support the TPP and are you familiar at all with the 'idiot' who sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #129

Yes I've read his anti-Democrat, anti-Obama articles before. There are many. tridim Jan 2014 #139

Do you support the President's position on the TPP? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #159

Is that a rhetorical question? (< this is a rhetorical question). nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #188

Not really. I'm looking for a starting point before attempting to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #216

Keep trying but I dont think you will get any of them to commit. They support whatever rhett o rick Jan 2014 #218

For some reason I'm imagining having dropped a fish on the pier and frantically ChisolmTrailDem Jan 2014 #229

So you're against the anti-democratic attempt at pushing through TPP without public debate? cui bono Jan 2014 #161

Are you familiar with Glen Ford?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #151

Do you support the TPP? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #156

Arent you falling for the distraction? I have a hunch that he supports whatever Pres rhett o rick Jan 2014 #190

I would like people to be clear about where they stand. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #213

They put loyalty above principles. I have asked over and over for someone rhett o rick Jan 2014 #217

True and it's a shock to see that here on DU frankly where people used to sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #225

Several weeks ago, I was watching a debate about TPP on TV Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #320

Lucky them, at least their government is apparently aware of what is in it. Our Congress sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #321

Even the best estimates show TPP to be essentially a zero-sum game for Japan Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #323

I wish we had some assessment of the losses we would suffer here. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #324

The prime minister is for the TPP Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #325

I haven't heard any, either. Titonwan Feb 2014 #388

Hard to believe I would see Democrats or progressives supporting Glen Ford zappaman Jan 2014 #158

Only if you can't think for your self. Titonwan Jan 2014 #166

You certainly have the right to support Glen Ford. zappaman Jan 2014 #167

I am trying to get an answer to this question, maybe you would be sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #222

I'm not familiar with him but that doesn't sound like a RW talking point to me. cui bono Jan 2014 #168

Sorry. zappaman Jan 2014 #170

So what do you think about what I put forth in my post? cui bono Jan 2014 #172

That comment had nothing to do with Ford. Do you agree with the Dems in sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #319

The most honest post here, bar none. Titonwan Jan 2014 #174

^ that 840high Jan 2014 #316

Hard to believe that a Democrat would support the TPP. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #189

You dont even know what is in the TPP Egnever Jan 2014 #245

LOL! +100! zappaman Jan 2014 #254

What I do know is not good. Do you know anything good? Do you like NAFTA? WTO? CAFTA? rhett o rick Jan 2014 #258

really? You know all that? Egnever Jan 2014 #264

I think that's just fine if you want to wait. But while you are waiting it isnt cool to disparage rhett o rick Jan 2014 #268

And since you brought up the "B" word, I think we should address that. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #267

Maybe because like you Egnever Jan 2014 #272

Only those with their fingers in their ears and their eyes closed dont know. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #283

None of that is fact and that is the point Egnever Jan 2014 #290

How do you know if they are facts or not? You told us you didnt know anything about it. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #329

Um, yes we do know what is in some of it, thanks to Wikileaks. sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #386

Once again Egnever Feb 2014 #406

Said zappaman, the DUer who supports Allen Dulles, J Edgar Hoover and Gerald Ford. Octafish Feb 2014 #361

Nice bullshit dude. zappaman Feb 2014 #379

This same guy is on satellite radio all the time bashing Obama on the Mark Thompson Show brush Jan 2014 #243

the lame reply of someone without a compelling counter argument.... mike_c Jan 2014 #255

Easy, Bush crashed the economy with winger econ policies and handed the rich no strings money... uponit7771 Jan 2014 #45

Bush and Clinton helped crash the economy Armstead Jan 2014 #53

Another winger meme - it wasn't totally bushes fault. It was, he's the ONLY president in US history uponit7771 Jan 2014 #55

Siorry if you can't accept that there is plenty of blame to go around Armstead Jan 2014 #70

Had Bush stuck with Clintons policies AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #135

Bush was partially to blame too Armstead Jan 2014 #145

lol AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #440

and you're (not your) condescending Armstead Feb 2014 #455

Had Bush continued Clintons economic policies AgingAmerican Feb 2014 #467

If the unusual economic bubble of the 1990's had continued maybe... Armstead Feb 2014 #470

Do you support the TPP? sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #122

Thank you for another FAILED ad-hominem attack, vacant of substance;) grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #125

My attack was directed at the author who has a long record of anti-Dem, anti-Obama writings. nt tridim Jan 2014 #153

So how do you feel about a president who pushes anti-Dem policies? n/t cui bono Jan 2014 #171

It would suck if that were the case. tridim Jan 2014 #181

It does suck. A lot. Especially when he had all that political capital and he just squandered it. cui bono Jan 2014 #186

That you Clapper. Titonwan Jan 2014 #178

My DU name is tridim. nt tridim Jan 2014 #182

I apologize. Titonwan Jan 2014 #185

I used to be a 3D animator. tridim Jan 2014 #187

I am guessing you have nothing to offer. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #194

Yes he is a true prize. bravenak Jan 2014 #232

I don't think he's an idiot. 840high Jan 2014 #315

I agree with this article 100%. SamKnause Jan 2014 #2

Wish it weren't so, but it's Year Six and there's no New New Deal on the horizon. Octafish Jan 2014 #8

"You can play ball and good things can happen to you" zeemike Jan 2014 #24

During the 2012 Presidential Debates, Mit Romney mentioned the Obama's Pacific/China Portfolio. DhhD Jan 2014 #83

Thanks for posting this. nt adirondacker Jan 2014 #64

The system is broken, at least in terms of serving the people, LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #88

there is a way out, but it is radical (and also constitutional) grasswire Jan 2014 #314

These are desperate times, and I'm a firm believer in trying every tool in the box LuvNewcastle Feb 2014 #367

I regret that you are probably right. grasswire Feb 2014 #372

This is where I am as well. I simply don't think that Obama is up to the Nay Feb 2014 #464

Oh, Black Agenda Report... SidDithers Jan 2014 #3

You really should learn more. Octafish Jan 2014 #9

it must be the chemtrails that make us dismiss this clown. nt dionysus Jan 2014 #293

I thought it was the crop circles! zappaman Jan 2014 #296

or the flouride! or... aliens... dionysus Jan 2014 #300

You really should learn more, too. Octafish Feb 2014 #362

Do you have something against black publications? Why? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #29

I have something against the black agenda report. bravenak Jan 2014 #72

So white people should only post articles from white run sites? cui bono Jan 2014 #177

I said I hate when white people post things from there and act like it represents the majority bravenak Jan 2014 #220

Wow. There's a few things I'd say right now but you would accuse me of being racist... cui bono Jan 2014 #234

I hate the black agenda report. It's a hateful publication that to me is similar to stormfront. bravenak Jan 2014 #236

Nailed it! zappaman Jan 2014 #237

Ahhh, so this is why you were talking about BAR in the AA forum Number23 Jan 2014 #259

Nailed it. n/t zappaman Jan 2014 #260

I'm gonna talk shit whenever I see somebody post from that site. bravenak Jan 2014 #263

You should let the OP know. zappaman Jan 2014 #265

I hope the op reads the thread. bravenak Jan 2014 #277

Good luck with that. zappaman Jan 2014 #280

Well then I won't bother. bravenak Jan 2014 #282

That's ok zappaman Jan 2014 #284

Some of the same people were big time zimmerman fans. bravenak Jan 2014 #285

You'll be in good company. Msanthrope, one of the SMARTEST fucking people here, does the same Number23 Jan 2014 #270

I've noticed her posts and wondered if she was going to handle this today. bravenak Jan 2014 #276

Sidebar - re msanthrope JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #359

I may be a little passive aggressive too. bravenak Feb 2014 #400

I didn't see this thread...and I'm glad I didn't, because I was sauced msanthrope Feb 2014 #447

A little late, but I'm here. And you did just great. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #452

Thank you. bravenak Feb 2014 #491

Thank you! I realize that I am late to this thread...but I have an excuse... msanthrope Feb 2014 #450

It absolutely is and they absolutely don't Number23 Jan 2014 #261

I call the the tea party for the left. bravenak Jan 2014 #262

+1000 Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #371

This breaks my heart Number23. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #334

thank you, bravenak! Cha Feb 2014 #340

I'm surprised that people act like they don't know how black people feel about the BAR. bravenak Feb 2014 #353

That site was very popular during the Bush years, like so many other sites sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #413

Do you think this "black publication" represents more than a tiny minority of black opinion?... SidDithers Jan 2014 #104

I have no idea. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #132

If you don't know the publication, maybe you should refrain from defending them...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #133

Sorta like how "The peoples view"? AgingAmerican Jan 2014 #138

Show me where I defended them and you may have a point DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2014 #143

Tavis Smiley is not top notch. bravenak Jan 2014 #142

+1000 JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #176

Thank you!! bravenak Jan 2014 #231

A segment scours the Cha Feb 2014 #341

They are doing a bang up job, are they not Cha! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #345

I find myself a little surprised to see that here. bravenak Feb 2014 #351

More like the Cha Feb 2014 #352

Shows what you know. Cornel West and Tavis Smiley pegged Larry Summers. Octafish Jan 2014 #312

Cornell west has spent the last few years pissing off the black community and me in particular. bravenak Jan 2014 #313

+ 1000 JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #360

That is a great analogy! bravenak Feb 2014 #420

So, rather than address what the Administration is doing, you slam Cornel West. Octafish Feb 2014 #376

No, he's calling you out for supporting a dick like Glen Ford. zappaman Feb 2014 #380

Glen Ford is not a dick. He is a human being. And he pegged the SOTU. Octafish Feb 2014 #391

When the shoe fits... zappaman Feb 2014 #392

I don't feed in to the jealous rantings of small envious people. bravenak Feb 2014 #394

Actually, it's offensive to a lot of DUers. zappaman Feb 2014 #398

You are right. bravenak Feb 2014 #399

Offending you, zappaman? Octafish Feb 2014 #402

Why do you think Obama is evil? zappaman Feb 2014 #403

''We see you.'' Octafish Feb 2014 #401

Why do you think Obama is evil? zappaman Feb 2014 #404

You words, despite the drones. He's my President and I pray for him. Octafish Feb 2014 #408

I disagree that he is evil. zappaman Feb 2014 #410

Why try to make ignorance contagious, zappaman? Learn how Wall Street Killed Financial Reform. Octafish Feb 2014 #417

Why post a hate site on DU, dude? zappaman Feb 2014 #422

Black Agenda Report is against war and banksters. Octafish Feb 2014 #425

Black Agenda Report calls Obama "evil". zappaman Feb 2014 #427

No need to censor DU, zappaman. DUers know what's hyperbole. Octafish Feb 2014 #429

No censoring dude. zappaman Feb 2014 #431

Calling something what it isn't is censorship. Octafish Feb 2014 #432

It's okay is you don't understand what censorship is. zappaman Feb 2014 #434

Good for U. bravenak Feb 2014 #405

You are making assumptions. Octafish Feb 2014 #407

Great joke, guy!!! bravenak Feb 2014 #409

+100! zappaman Feb 2014 #411

And he finds it funny. bravenak Feb 2014 #412

Some people live sad lives of their own making. zappaman Feb 2014 #414

I haven't stopped laughing since yesterday. bravenak Feb 2014 #416

The richest people in the world have been using Washington to make wars for profit... Octafish Feb 2014 #421

Please stop trying to justify posting articles from hate sites. bravenak Feb 2014 #424

I don't post hate, including from Black Agenda Report. Octafish Feb 2014 #430

The black agenda report is a Obama hate site. bravenak Feb 2014 #435

No. Even if you repeat it a million times. Octafish Feb 2014 #437

It is a hate site. bravenak Feb 2014 #439

Not familiar with it are you? It was very popular with Democrats throughout the Bush years like sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #415

Try reading this Sabrina. bravenak Feb 2014 #418

Any site that hates Obama is cool for some here at DU. zappaman Feb 2014 #423

Sigh. bravenak Feb 2014 #426

... SidDithers Feb 2014 #436

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2014 #47

+how ever high numbers go bravenak Jan 2014 #73

It isn't what they say that counts dixiegrrrrl Jan 2014 #7

I understand the limits to power...three branches of government...all that... Octafish Jan 2014 #12

Looks like an interesting article, will make for good morning reading quinnox Jan 2014 #11

It's a must-read, IMO. Octafish Jan 2014 #17

Now that I read it, indeed it was. Very hard-hitting, but then, the truth tends to be like that quinnox Jan 2014 #102

And JFK wasn't beholden to big money? BainsBane Jan 2014 #15

Actually, no. JFK tapes offer lesson in income inequality. Octafish Jan 2014 #18

You are a real fount of information Octafish. zeemike Jan 2014 #28

It's from being old. Octafish Jan 2014 #44

I was 20 in 1963 zeemike Jan 2014 #57

I bet Uncle Sam wanted you. I wasnt far behind at 18. By 1968 they rhett o rick Jan 2014 #192

No they already had me. zeemike Feb 2014 #357

+1 a significant amount.......nt Enthusiast Feb 2014 #356

far from convincing BainsBane Jan 2014 #30

You may assume what you want, Dr. Gibson is a professor of sociology at University of Pittsburgh. Octafish Jan 2014 #38

I was not aware of Donald Gibson...thanks for bringing his work to my attention! deutsey Jan 2014 #90

You are most welcome, deutsey! If you can, add Gerald D. McKnight to your reading list... Octafish Jan 2014 #128

No, I was not aware of McKnight, either deutsey Jan 2014 #140

I'm with Parenti on Rome and Dallas... Octafish Jan 2014 #163

Okay, thanks for the info. BainsBane Jan 2014 #136

"the power to do much about it because of Congress" hfojvt Jan 2014 #92

You Are Off a Little Bit erpowers Jan 2014 #97

I agree he could and should have done more BainsBane Jan 2014 #137

Excellent reply and analysis randr Jan 2014 #87

"Presided over"? Nope. It was Bush & Republican Party laws. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2014 #19

+1, winger meme and wording all thrown into one asinine phrase "presided over" as if Bush didnt uponit7771 Jan 2014 #50

Clinton screwed up much of it. Bush finished the job. Armstead Jan 2014 #58

BULL FUCKIN SHIT!!! Clinton did NOT implement the NDPA... the economy crashing was Bush's DIRECT han uponit7771 Jan 2014 #60

Clinton pushed for financial deregulation, NAFTA and many other things that ledf to the mess Armstead Jan 2014 #68

and Democratic Centrist policies from Clinton era Armstead Jan 2014 #56

You're right. Corporate Dems might as well be Republicans. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #91

An example of Buy-Partisanship... Octafish Jan 2014 #112

When he had the chance to end the Bush tax cuts by doing nothing. He extended them. grahamhgreen Jan 2014 #126

Unqualified, half statement you present here to validate your point Sheepshank Jan 2014 #165

That's their Cha Feb 2014 #354

Not letting the Bush tax cuts fully expire have prolonged the misery. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #428

Your statement is patently false and uses the premis that Sheepshank Feb 2014 #488

"BULLCRAP" backatcha. SMC22307 Feb 2014 #489

It's true Bush and Co. ripped off the Treasury for all it was worth. Octafish Feb 2014 #458

I've lost count of the failures of the potus n/t Titonwan Jan 2014 #20

Washington -- Geithner -- sacrificed homeowners to “foam the runway” for the banks. Octafish Jan 2014 #71

HAMP, TARP...WTF hay rick Jan 2014 #86

Thank you, hay rick! Geithner bailed out Wall Street THIEVES with the US TAXPAYER's money. Octafish Feb 2014 #366

Then you need to take some math classes. bravenak Jan 2014 #74

Unless you're currently in the military... Titonwan Jan 2014 #149

He is the CIC of the US military. It it a title that applies to him whether you are military or not. bravenak Jan 2014 #150

Great Titonwan Jan 2014 #157

Have a good day. bravenak Jan 2014 #160

Why are you bringing race into this again? cui bono Jan 2014 #184

As long as you're not singling him out as the worst of the worst. bravenak Jan 2014 #207

Who's saying pecwae Jan 2014 #200

Glad you said that. bravenak Jan 2014 #211

"white guys" - huh? 840high Feb 2014 #317

Yep. That's what I said, I never stutter. bravenak Feb 2014 #318

K&R DeSwiss Jan 2014 #23

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #27

I'm black I still support him. bravenak Jan 2014 #31

Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2014 #33

Do you think he's losing the support of the black community? bravenak Jan 2014 #46

He's not, those who say such are usually wingers in the first place and lay out anecdotal evidence uponit7771 Jan 2014 #52

I know that my people are still very supportive. bravenak Jan 2014 #63

+1, we do... we've experience the non objectivity that can make people seem crazy. Obama's getti uponit7771 Jan 2014 #65

Spot on!! bravenak Jan 2014 #67

Well this lily white guy Egnever Jan 2014 #246

Thank you. bravenak Jan 2014 #248

I am a little older Egnever Jan 2014 #250

I didn't even know anything was wrong until Clinton became president. bravenak Jan 2014 #251

Funny Egnever Jan 2014 #252

I love you being right!! bravenak Jan 2014 #253

Hey! I am with you, bravenak! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #342

Mahalo, she~ Cha Feb 2014 #344

Love it! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #346

Oh Yeah! I love all of President Obama's Cha Feb 2014 #347

Got that right Cha! sheshe2 Feb 2014 #348

Bo knows how help a President get their sprint on~ Cha Feb 2014 #349

And so many know that he has just plain folded. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #336

I'm mixed and I still support him. He's not going to be able to overturn 300 years of evil in 8 but kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #34

Some people think he must have magick. bravenak Jan 2014 #66

Not necessarily magick...Just some consistency with principles Armstead Jan 2014 #79

I didn't expect the Democratic Party to abandon him in 2010 and then whine when he couldn't bravenak Jan 2014 #84

My policy changes? Armstead Jan 2014 #134

You want different things than I want. bravenak Jan 2014 #141

I guess it all boils dowen to the fact that he's black then? Armstead Jan 2014 #144

So I'm racist for pointing out that the one black president has been treated worse by his bravenak Jan 2014 #146

So we are expected to overlook everything we donlt like simply because of his race? Armstead Jan 2014 #147

You are expected to give him just as much credit as you'd give any other president bravenak Jan 2014 #148

Whatever... Armstead Jan 2014 #164

Teenager bravenak Jan 2014 #208

It's the only appropriate response. Armstead Jan 2014 #235

I don't know why you put words in my mouth. bravenak Jan 2014 #238

I don't have to put words in your mouth Armstead Jan 2014 #239

I stand by my statements that you quoted. bravenak Jan 2014 #240

Fine. Just proves my point. Armstead Jan 2014 #241

You ignored the end of my post. bravenak Jan 2014 #242

I know you do, and I did address them. You just want to dig in your heels Armstead Jan 2014 #244

You do not have to justify yourself to me or explain yourself. bravenak Jan 2014 #247

Okay, just so you understand this Armstead Jan 2014 #295

I understand. bravenak Jan 2014 #301

Can you tell me again who's being "racist"? Not you! ... slipslidingaway Feb 2014 #332

Hee hee! bravenak Feb 2014 #419

I think you're entitlted to think I'm a racist and I'm entitled to think that it's disgusting that cali Feb 2014 #358

Did I call you a racist Cail? bravenak Feb 2014 #397

Another winger meme on the intertubes... NO he's not... still highest approval rates and some winger uponit7771 Jan 2014 #51

He'll never win a 3rd term now!!! JoePhilly Jan 2014 #77

Finally some bipartisanship with the tea party. pampango Jan 2014 #32

LOL! It's like Love: Money brings people together. Octafish Feb 2014 #369

methinks most of this to be long obvious stupidicus Jan 2014 #35

Meanwhile, the Big Players were off the Corporate McPravda radar, like Jackson Stephens... Octafish Feb 2014 #370

yep stupidicus Feb 2014 #383

What a total pile of crap n/t albino65 Jan 2014 #36

like everyone else in this thread who hates the op, you have no ability to respond cali Jan 2014 #39

I really don't hate anything albino65 Jan 2014 #48

I'll give it a go if you want. bravenak Jan 2014 #76

+1, "presided over" as if Bush's NDPA had nothing to do with the overheated housing market that uponit7771 Jan 2014 #62

What a totally useless post. Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #75

What about you and this useless post you just made? bravenak Jan 2014 #78

You need to read before you post. Jakes Progress Jan 2014 #223

I was just pointing out that you did the same exact thing you were getting on him for. bravenak Jan 2014 #227

I was just pointing out that you did not read my post with any care. Jakes Progress Feb 2014 #374

IT WAS CRAP!!! bravenak Feb 2014 #396

Judging by the corporate based advisors... AnneD Jan 2014 #40

The Team dumped Stiglitz for Summers. Octafish Feb 2014 #390

Winger meme - "who has presided over the sharpest increases in economic inequality" is to act as if uponit7771 Jan 2014 #42

Agree: The line of economic criminality goes back to 1971 and Reverse Robin Hood. Octafish Jan 2014 #93

Thanks, brudda Titonwan Jan 2014 #183

You are most welcome, Titonwan. Octafish Feb 2014 #381

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2014 #441

the democratic conundrum: "low wage recovery" brisas2k Jan 2014 #49

OFFS... SidDithers Jan 2014 #110

Typical. No facts, just a smilie. How about we Tax the Wealthy? Octafish Jan 2014 #123

I see you brought globalresearch.ca into the thread too... SidDithers Jan 2014 #130

So what? Global Research adds to what we know. You, on the other hand, don't. Octafish Jan 2014 #131

Boy oh, some you can see from a mile off. Titonwan Jan 2014 #152

I see you brought nothing to counter the facts reported here. sabrina 1 Jan 2014 #155

My OP is better than this shit :) snooper2 Jan 2014 #54

Does the name ''Penny Pritzker'' ring a bell? Octafish Jan 2014 #85

Real Change won't happen if you are afraid snooper2 Jan 2014 #89

octafish, you are the truth keeper questionseverything Jan 2014 #96

LOL, double points! dionysus Jan 2014 #311

I hate the black agenda report. bravenak Jan 2014 #59

I understand your reaction to the use of the Black Agenda Report randr Jan 2014 #95

We are outraged. bravenak Jan 2014 #99

I have never accepted or accommodated anyones racism randr Jan 2014 #101

How we are addressing it is by saying it over and over as loud as we can. bravenak Jan 2014 #106

I LOVE YOU!!!! Number23 Jan 2014 #266

Always making it our problem to solve. bravenak Jan 2014 #278

+ 1 Million! JustAnotherGen Feb 2014 #363

I freakin' love this. Titonwan Feb 2014 #385

Love ya too. bravenak Feb 2014 #393

Fucking nailed it... SidDithers Jan 2014 #111

In a word ProSense Jan 2014 #114

If only he had given Cornell West tickets to his first inaguration. bravenak Jan 2014 #121

Yes. sheshe2 Feb 2014 #343

Why don't you start now? brentspeak Jan 2014 #201

Are you implying that the black agenda reports is supposed to mean something to black people? bravenak Jan 2014 #204

Not yr buddy. bravenak Jan 2014 #205

++++ very well said and thanks for saying that. Whisp Jan 2014 #206

Had to take a nap. bravenak Jan 2014 #233

Comparison food for thought 90-percent Jan 2014 #69

Madoff was caught stealing from the rich-his prosecution does not count. randr Jan 2014 #82

k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Jan 2014 #80

Thousands of good jobs repairing and rebuilding Americas infrastructure are still waiting randr Jan 2014 #81

That's Old School thinking. Octafish Feb 2014 #472

Somewhere I have read that if we were to repair randr Feb 2014 #476

Yeah. But that would mean BFEE - those who profit from mineral extraction - would have to sacrifice. Octafish Feb 2014 #478

When all else fails, ProSense Jan 2014 #94

At least they haven't pulled out Cornel West, yet...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #105

And you havent pulled out anything but ridicule. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #191

But I can always count on you to read my posts... SidDithers Jan 2014 #193

I keep wondering if you will ever have a point. Still wondering. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #195

Spoke too soon. bravenak Jan 2014 #228

Embarrassing for whom? Octafish Jan 2014 #107

For everyone buying the bullshit. ProSense Jan 2014 #108

Is that a threat? Octafish Jan 2014 #113

WTF? Saying something is "embarrassing" is a "threat"? ProSense Jan 2014 #116

No, writing: ''You may want to latch onto that, but it's embarrassing.'' Octafish Jan 2014 #119

Oh brother. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #120

Me thinks this one Titonwan Feb 2014 #387

he may be an Obama hater, but you don't do anything to refute him cali Jan 2014 #117

"he may be an Obama hater" ProSense Jan 2014 #118

"A known Obama hater". Apparently name calling is all you have. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #197

No, it's not "all" I have, but he is a fucking Obama hater. ProSense Jan 2014 #198

2-4 to leave. :) Whisp Jan 2014 #209

LOL! I had no idea ProSense Jan 2014 #212

Actually, to clarify ProSense Jan 2014 #109

And for good measure: ProSense Jan 2014 #98

"That's absolute bullshit. It will have an immediate impact on a half a million workers." rhett o rick Jan 2014 #199

How does ProSense Jan 2014 #203

There are some exclusions to the executive order. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #214

Again, how does that change that the claim is bullshit? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #215

I am happy to go thru it again. Your statement that, "It will have an immediate impact on a half a rhett o rick Jan 2014 #224

Yes, that's my claim. What does that have to do with the Ford's bullshit claim? ProSense Jan 2014 #226

President Obama has always used Bill Clinton's third way as a guide in his Admin. Vinnie From Indy Jan 2014 #100

Interesting about Neo-Lib Policies driving the RW further Right KoKo Feb 2014 #373

Being able to take conservative policies and make a few minor adjustments was Bill Clinton's Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #395

I think your insight is what it is...and a Wake Up Call once one can understand KoKo Feb 2014 #438

k/r solarhydrocan Jan 2014 #115

Where Democrats from the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party may still find refuge... Octafish Feb 2014 #471

Income inequality is a symptom, the disease is a corrupt political system and campaign finance mother earth Jan 2014 #175

Money to gain Power. Power to protect Money. Octafish Feb 2014 #442

How many Bush Regime policies UncleMuscles Jan 2014 #180

Is This Barack Obama's 2nd Term? Is it Bill Clinton's 3rd? Or Is It Ronald Reagan's 9th? Octafish Jan 2014 #249

Fred Hampton saw the big picture too, here's a K&R in his memory (I met him in 1967, no lie!) bobthedrummer Jan 2014 #196

With the worst inequality in history, funny watching Rex Jan 2014 #202

Denial is more than just a river. nm rhett o rick Jan 2014 #219

Look at the pathetic attempts at avoiding talking about the problem. Rex Feb 2014 #339

+1 Phlem Jan 2014 #230

The "messenger" is an asshole and ProSense Jan 2014 #256

WHY do you even bother responding to that person? He types the same damn thing in every thread! Number23 Jan 2014 #269

Some ProSense Jan 2014 #273

Exactly. Though "agitator" is much too grand a word to describe those antics Number23 Jan 2014 #275

I am guessing that when our corporate masters put H. Clinton-Sachs in the WH that rhett o rick Jan 2014 #271

What ProSense Jan 2014 #274

If you call being against the growing wealth inequality "self-righteous nonsense" rhett o rick Jan 2014 #279

What did your vote mean? ProSense Jan 2014 #281

Just Asking Questions? Is that what you are doing? rhett o rick Jan 2014 #288

You know, it's okay that you can't own up to your vote. n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #289

You are a master at deflection. rhett o rick Jan 2014 #291

You posted a link to wiki instead of reponding to a question about your vote... ProSense Jan 2014 #298

yep! Phlem Jan 2014 #306

Mocking and ridicule are the tactics. nm rhett o rick Feb 2014 #330

Oh my ProSense Feb 2014 #331

What kind of question is "What did your vote mean"? Phlem Jan 2014 #299

It's the ProSense Jan 2014 #303

OK then. Phlem Jan 2014 #305

A handful of people around here post mostly nothing but nonsense. Rex Feb 2014 #337

finely done melodrama... dionysus Feb 2014 #328

we need a NEW democratic party, and not one built from the ashes of the current one.... mike_c Jan 2014 #257

plus a million my friend! Phlem Jan 2014 #292

article in OP: a fountain of bullshit. dionysus Jan 2014 #302

of course. Phlem Jan 2014 #307

if you think dismissing glen ford's article as bullshit is a hideable offense, then alert. dionysus Jan 2014 #308

Sorry I don't do that. Phlem Jan 2014 #309

Here's are a couple of good ones ProSense Jan 2014 #310

Thank you for your input ProSense Phlem Feb 2014 #322

wow, he trumps Cornel West... dionysus Feb 2014 #326

I'm realizing ProSense Feb 2014 #333

so is not invading syria and iran... dionysus Feb 2014 #350

You offer no facts in rebuttal, dionysus. Octafish Feb 2014 #365

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #327

Joe Wilson, is that you? struggle4progress Feb 2014 #335

No -- and certainly not the one you're thinking of. Octafish Feb 2014 #364

Your post is a good example as to exactly how deep your discussions get. rhett o rick Feb 2014 #378

It's always a good idea to consider the source struggle4progress Feb 2014 #384

K&R for pissing of all the right people! Rex Feb 2014 #338

+ 10 Jakes Progress Feb 2014 #375

Kicked and recommended. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #355

The Real 'Common Sense' as Penned by Thomas Paine Octafish Feb 2014 #445

Thanks. Excellent. William K. Black is one of my favorites. Enthusiast Feb 2014 #446

Here's the problem with BAR and the rest of the ODS industry: ucrdem Feb 2014 #368

The steady stream of garbage Bobbie Jo Feb 2014 #382

As long as a site hates Obama... zappaman Feb 2014 #389

Huge K&R. woo me with science Feb 2014 #377

Glen Ford: Wall Street and the wealthiest Americans have bought Washington... Octafish Feb 2014 #444

Sadly, true. AzDar Feb 2014 #433

Check out Little Sister, the antidote to Big Brother. Octafish Feb 2014 #443

"Danced like Mr. Bojangles" is how your source described the President. And you post that racist msanthrope Feb 2014 #448

Disingenuous. Ford did not write that in the article I posted. It came from your article. Octafish Feb 2014 #451

So let me see if I have your defense to posting this racist correctly.... msanthrope Feb 2014 #453

So. You're demanding I explain to you why you dragged in the article you dragged in. Octafish Feb 2014 #456

The OP is complete fact-free BS, but that and the ProSense Feb 2014 #457

''Wall Street–the 1 percent–believes the world is theirs for the taking, and they want all of it.'' Octafish Feb 2014 #460

WTF does that have to do with the point that the OP is BS? ProSense Feb 2014 #462

Here's what you don't understand zappaman Feb 2014 #463

Those words are from the OP. Octafish Feb 2014 #492

No..I'm demanding you explain why Glen Ford..a man that has used racist language to msanthrope Feb 2014 #459

Not to mention this zappaman Feb 2014 #461

I think it's vile to pick a racist source..but to pick a source because you think that having msanthrope Feb 2014 #469

Nailed it. n/t zappaman Feb 2014 #473

I see alot of posts attacking the messenger JEB Feb 2014 #465

There are also ProSense Feb 2014 #466

I've read elsewhere that it is unclear how many workers will be affected by the JEB Feb 2014 #474

On spying, is this author also an asshole? JEB Feb 2014 #475

The OP is BS. Period. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #477

No valid points whatsoever?.....OK, I see. JEB Feb 2014 #479

You ProSense Feb 2014 #480

Yes, I did post to another article by another author. You JEB Feb 2014 #481

There it is ProSense Feb 2014 #482

You honestly can't see how the two articles are related? JEB Feb 2014 #483

Is this ProSense Feb 2014 #484

So how many workers will be affected by the executive order? Honest question JEB Feb 2014 #485

You are mistaken if you think the message of a racist is worth discussing. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #468

Here's the bottom line: Welfare for the Wealthy and Austerity for the Many... Octafish Feb 2014 #490

kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #493

A Ship of State rig for collision kick. n/t bobthedrummer Feb 2014 #494

kick woo me with science Feb 2014 #495