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MineralMan

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46. Yes, well, so do I. And my opposition and yours have had identical
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 04:40 PM
Feb 2014

results.

There was no single "smart ass" who decided any of this, to be quite frank. Nuclear armaments began to be developed under FDR. Nuclear power generation began under Eisenhower, and continued apace under JFK and Presidents thereafter. Both were opposed by many individuals and a few organizations. None were capable of ending either.

I stand opposed. You stand opposed. And yet, nuclear power generation continues. Fewer new plants are being built, and part of the reason for that is the opposition. Part of it is that they aren't economically superior to other power generation methods, as was promised early on.

There have been many, many nuclear weapons tests, including atmospheric ones. There have been some incidents with nuclear power plants. Both have released radioactive isotopes into the environment. The impact of that, globally, is not known, either real impact or theoretical impact. It may have caused, or may cause in the future, cancers, genetic changes, etc. Those may have caused, or may cause either minor or severe issues for humanity. We're not sure, yet, because not enough time has passed to observe the global effects.

In the meantime, our continuous release of carbon into the atmosphere is causing climate change. We know that. How bad the results o that may be, we're not sure, yet. It's the same thing, really. Both technologies are harmful to the environment and to humans. How harmful? Well, by the time we actually know that, it will be too late to prevent it.

Fukushima has causes some more man-made radioactive isotopes to enter the environment. That is not a good thing, obviously. Locally, near Japan, the impact will be real and fairly obvious in a rather short time. Globally? That's not so clear. The amount of the impact and its effects aren't known. They can't even be accurately estimated.

They may be large impacts or almost unnoticed. We do not know the answer to that, and won't for decades, at least.

Fukushima happened. It cannot be undone. Mitigating the continuing release is important, but will take years, if not decades. We can't change that, either. So what do we do?

Some will scream and shout and wave their arms madly. Others will shrug. In then end, neither group will change what has already happened. In the meantime, other nuclear power plants will continue to operate. In time, some of those will have events. All will produce radioactive waste which we don't know how to handle yet.

It's all bad. It should have been prevented. Some of us tried to prevent it. We failed. Now, we have the situation we have.

Here's what I think: I think we had better hope that those who are working on containing future releases from Fukushima succeed. I think we should continue to work toward stopping the building of new power plants and work toward shutting down the ones that are running. I think we should try to figure out what to do with the waste all of that will generate.

I don't think we should write false information in our efforts. I don't think we should ever do that. I think we should write truthful information that is not exaggerated or blown up beyond reality. I think those who do that damage the efforts of those who are trying to slow down and shut down this industry. Every exaggeration ends up being exposed for what it is. Every lie gets exposed as untrue. Each time that happens, some people will use those exaggerations and lies to point at those who are simply relaying the truth and to call them liars as well.

You will do as you please. I will ask you not to do that, each time you overstate, exaggerate, or spread false information. I suspect we will be at an impasse.

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If a dirty bomber terrorist did to America what Fukushima is doing to the planet... Octafish Feb 2014 #1
sigh, i had forgotten comey was w's front man in the padilla case questionseverything Feb 2014 #54
That's some scary stuff, Octafish RobertEarl Feb 2014 #2
At sunrise or sunset? MineralMan Feb 2014 #5
Sunsets are beautiful. RobertEarl Feb 2014 #8
Near the horizon? Sure I've seen it. Same reason. MineralMan Feb 2014 #11
Pale blue? RobertEarl Feb 2014 #17
No. Many have not seen Cherenkov radiation in the atmosphere. MineralMan Feb 2014 #64
'what do you think of the 50 ways in the op?' MineralMan Feb 2014 #12
400 similar nuclear waste sites RobertEarl Feb 2014 #26
Anomaly hunting again? longship Feb 2014 #45
There was a time when Los Angeles has the reputation of gorgeous sunsets Cleita Feb 2014 #13
There are no mushroom clouds in the skies these days. MineralMan Feb 2014 #15
You missed the point of my post but carry on. n/t Cleita Feb 2014 #19
No, actually, I didn't. MineralMan Feb 2014 #21
Thanks for caring, Cleita. Octafish Feb 2014 #90
'Chernobyl Was Transparent Compared to Fukushima': Harvey Wasserman on Ongoing Crisis Octafish Feb 2014 #7
Wasserman is a sage and a patriot RobertEarl Feb 2014 #10
FFS, this again? nt Logical Feb 2014 #3
Hide thread by keyword is your friend. Also, remember all that silly fuss over the ChisolmTrailDem Feb 2014 #4
Thats all you got? RobertEarl Feb 2014 #6
Didn't know TEPCO had solved the ongoing catastrophe. Octafish Feb 2014 #9
this again? //\\ G_j Feb 2014 #16
Apparently, the World Health Organization is now part of the cover-up... SidDithers Feb 2014 #20
The IAEA seems to be, per The Tokyo Shimbun. Octafish Feb 2014 #112
We all know that the World Health Organization is just a tool of the BFEE...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #113
Interesting that you have to ridicule the BFEE, SidDithers. Octafish Feb 2014 #116
Really. Chan790 Feb 2014 #107
Yes but it is a slow death, and you can't prove anything. zeemike Feb 2014 #14
I'm getting on in years... Octafish Feb 2014 #91
I think we and the world at large need changes in leadership that Cleita Feb 2014 #18
We have the means to make those changes, Cleita. MineralMan Feb 2014 #22
No we need strong and dare I say heroic leadership and we don't have it and we Cleita Feb 2014 #23
OK. Well, then, don't bother to participate. MineralMan Feb 2014 #24
There was a hero RobertEarl Feb 2014 #28
He needs to come out from the shadows. Cleita Feb 2014 #31
He has come out RobertEarl Feb 2014 #37
Heroism is not easy. Cleita Feb 2014 #38
Also, I live downwind from a nuke plant sitting on three Cleita Feb 2014 #39
Sen. Boxer is doing it RobertEarl Feb 2014 #40
Barbara is my hero and she accomplishes so much. Cleita Feb 2014 #41
The reasons we have nuclear power generation MineralMan Feb 2014 #32
Eh? RobertEarl Feb 2014 #42
Yes, well, so do I. And my opposition and yours have had identical MineralMan Feb 2014 #46
You are so wishy washy RobertEarl Feb 2014 #47
No, I am not. MineralMan Feb 2014 #48
Yes you are RobertEarl Feb 2014 #51
'Just stop.' MineralMan Feb 2014 #53
another reason nuclear power plants are no longer viable...insurance madrchsod Feb 2014 #102
Sorry... that's almost entirely wrong. FBaggins Feb 2014 #104
That's true, too. MineralMan Feb 2014 #106
If any at all? FBaggins Feb 2014 #109
Looking forward. MineralMan Feb 2014 #110
Plenty in the planning stages... but not as many as you'll see there. FBaggins Feb 2014 #111
Oh, I participate all right. Cleita Feb 2014 #29
OK. You work on that. MineralMan Feb 2014 #33
In 1986, in France mylye2222 Feb 2014 #25
someone found some new words on the Intertubes LOL snooper2 Feb 2014 #27
That's what idiots do. Octafish Feb 2014 #92
This article needs citations Shivering Jemmy Feb 2014 #30
Sorry. The original has links to supporting documentation. Octafish Feb 2014 #34
Where there's heat, there's fire marions ghost Feb 2014 #35
As long as you exclude bananas, you'll be okay. closeupready Feb 2014 #36
So much fail in this screed. dbackjon Feb 2014 #43
The Implications of The Massive Contamination of Japan With Radioactive Cesium Octafish Feb 2014 #85
Here are the geiger counter readings in the Fukushima area and further north. VERY low stevenleser Feb 2014 #87
I do understand radiation dbackjon Feb 2014 #88
Thanks. Octafish Feb 2014 #93
A magnificent example of the Gish Gallop FBaggins Feb 2014 #44
Hahaha RobertEarl Feb 2014 #50
You continue to point to threads that make you look foolish FBaggins Feb 2014 #52
It's ok "Cores are not hot", Baggins RobertEarl Feb 2014 #56
Wouldn't a sock puppet say that? FBaggins Feb 2014 #61
That's all you got? RobertEarl Feb 2014 #63
Nope. I've got much more than that. FBaggins Feb 2014 #67
Every point Wasserman makes is sourced. Octafish Feb 2014 #55
GIGO FBaggins Feb 2014 #59
So, you're too busy to do more than smear the article. Octafish Feb 2014 #62
That's the point of a Gish Gallop. Throw so much nonsense out there people dont have the time to stevenleser Feb 2014 #69
Thank you for explaining. Octafish Feb 2014 #76
Lol! FBaggins Feb 2014 #70
So, it's my fault for sharing an interesting article. Octafish Feb 2014 #75
Well... only to the extent that posting a similar 9/11 conspiracy gallop would be your fault. FBaggins Feb 2014 #84
No need to smear, just show where I'm wrong and I'll apologize. Octafish Feb 2014 #86
Show where you're wrong? FBaggins Feb 2014 #89
Yeah, a lot of those sources are from woo and conspiracy theory websites. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #118
Really? Name one. Octafish Feb 2014 #119
Ecowatch, for one. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #121
You don't know Harvey Wasserman. Octafish Feb 2014 #128
Which has absolutely ZERO bearing on the credibility of his claims here. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #129
Wasserman is using info from naturalnews?... SidDithers Feb 2014 #131
Yes he is. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #132
"So much for credibility." For Wasserman and for the OP...nt SidDithers Feb 2014 #133
Indeed. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #134
And the one conclusive reason why you shouldn't... stevenleser Feb 2014 #49
But what about the starfish??? Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #57
What about the starfish? RobertEarl Feb 2014 #58
What do you KNOW about the starfish? Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #60
Starfish eat mussels. RobertEarl Feb 2014 #65
And as has been pointed out to you multiple times... FBaggins Feb 2014 #68
Plutonium from where? Naturally occurring or man-made? Common Sense Party Feb 2014 #71
Man-made FBaggins Feb 2014 #72
Plutonium from nuclear reactions RobertEarl Feb 2014 #99
But not from Fukushima FBaggins Feb 2014 #105
What do we know? FBaggins Feb 2014 #66
What we know - take two FBaggins Feb 2014 #108
Thanks. But Geiger counters don't tell the whole story. Octafish Feb 2014 #115
WOW catbyte Feb 2014 #73
Wasserman put together a very important compilation... Octafish Feb 2014 #79
Goddamnit, not this crap again. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #74
No need to get angry. It's a different article. Octafish Feb 2014 #77
Terrific. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #78
Since you were 12? Octafish Feb 2014 #80
13 years ago. And no, my only DU username has been NuclearDem. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #81
You're no expert on nuclear meltdowns? Not quite what I got out of it. Octafish Feb 2014 #96
What a bunch of crap. I in no way defended nuclear energy. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #98
They're your words. Octafish Feb 2014 #114
And yet I've said here and elsewhere that I'm opposed to nuclear energy. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #117
Correct. However, you were saying something else there and then... Octafish Feb 2014 #120
You know why I keep myself away from threads like this one? nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #122
No I wasn't. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #125
A Free Press One_Life_To_Give Feb 2014 #82
Hit democracy right in the lede. Octafish Feb 2014 #97
Like flies to honey. Good job. K&R n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #83
Check out the New York Academy of Medicine conference... Octafish Feb 2014 #124
There was no NYAM conference. FBaggins Feb 2014 #126
So what? It's their stationery. Octafish Feb 2014 #130
Their stationary? FBaggins Feb 2014 #135
That's not what flies do, as you well know. Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #127
excellent post frwrfpos Feb 2014 #94
Thank you. The One Big Thing... ''US RADIATION PANEL RECOGNIZES: NO SAFE RADIATION DOSE'' Octafish Feb 2014 #123
About once a week we get one of these. But nothing on the MSM. The MSM loved Chernobyl and TMI...... Logical Feb 2014 #95
Here's some news RobertEarl Feb 2014 #100
Do you remember the coverage of TMI? nt Logical Feb 2014 #101
Barely RobertEarl Feb 2014 #103
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