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G_j

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11. The Drone Unknowns
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 10:02 AM
Feb 2014
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/10/what-we-dont-know-about-drones

The Drone Unknowns
—By Adam Serwer| Mon Oct. 1, 2012 7:15 AM GMT

We don't know how many civilians are killed in drone strikes, but we do know the US government is almost certainly wrong about it.

That's one conclusion you could draw from a report on the impact of the use of drones in targeted killing by the the Human Rights Clinic at Columbia Law School and the Center for Civilians in Conflict*, released Sunday, a year to the day that radical American cleric Anwar al-Awlaki was killed in a drone strike in Yemen. While the US government has maintained that few if any non-militants are killed in drone strikes, reports about how targeting decisions are made, the realities of airborne warfare, and the basic fallibility of humankind call the Obama administration's claims of precision into question. There's also the problem that some behaviors which might seem to indicate "guilt" out of context, like carrying a gun, are common in the areas being targeted. "A civilian carrying a gun, which is a cultural norm in parts of Pakistan, does not know if such behavior will get him killed by a drone," the report notes. While "personality" strikes are aimed at specific individuals, the government also conducts "signature strikes" which hit anonymous individuals on the basis of a "pattern of behavior."

Because the government has yet to even officially acknowledge the existence of the CIA's targeted killing program or its military counterpart in the Joint Special Operations Command however, it's hard to evaluate the Obama administration's claims about avoiding civilian harm. The report notes that the dearth of first-hand information from the areas most frequently targeted by drone strikes means that determining who is a "militant" and who is not, particularly after the fact, is very difficult. That's why third-party estimates, which cast serious doubt on the government's assessments, vary so widely, and why the Obama administration itself may not even know how many civilians are being killed. Here's a chart from the report:

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Recommend. morningfog Feb 2014 #1
Drones + secret extrajudicial kill lists MannyGoldstein Feb 2014 #2
Nothing. Nothing at all. nt Demo_Chris Feb 2014 #13
Answer 5. If a drone kills them, then they are "combatants". GoneFishin Feb 2014 #3
First month without a US drone strike in Pakistan for over two years ProSense Feb 2014 #4
Maybe they just stopped reporting them whatchamacallit Feb 2014 #5
"First month without a US drone strike in Pakistan for over two years" cali Feb 2014 #6
Actually, ProSense Feb 2014 #8
The Drone Unknowns G_j Feb 2014 #11
The BIJ reports aren't from the government. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #12
"The BIJ reports aren't from the government" cali Feb 2014 #14
WTF? ProSense Feb 2014 #15
Yes bobduca Feb 2014 #21
Sorry, I don't click on your links. ProSense Feb 2014 #22
but its a link to your work bobduca Feb 2014 #35
Sorry, no sale. ProSense Feb 2014 #39
You see, the joke is, EVERY link to DU is work-safe for you! n/t bobduca Feb 2014 #40
Clapper and Alexander don't lie, either! Titonwan Feb 2014 #42
So? blackspade Feb 2014 #18
Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #19
I think you have me confused with another poster.... blackspade Feb 2014 #34
Sorry, fixed. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #38
No problem! blackspade Feb 2014 #41
it's point bobduca Feb 2014 #23
Oh, so Titonwan Feb 2014 #30
Well, ProSense Feb 2014 #31
that's great, however G_j Feb 2014 #7
Legitimate questions. Still, the report is a good sign. n/t ProSense Feb 2014 #9
Maybe we ran out? eggplant Feb 2014 #10
Ran out of what? Drones or terrorists? No can't be terrorists, they will never run out, A Simple Game Feb 2014 #17
It's like hot dogs and hot dog buns. eggplant Feb 2014 #47
It ends if "We the People" ever take back control of our Country. n/t A Simple Game Feb 2014 #48
Of money. n/t ReRe Feb 2014 #20
Bwahahahaha! There's an endless supply of that. Just cut social services and voila! valerief Feb 2014 #32
Snort! Titonwan Feb 2014 #43
This is terrible policy. blackspade Feb 2014 #16
I thought that was the idea - To create enemies to fight for fun and profit. RC Feb 2014 #24
^^^^this^^^^ L0oniX Feb 2014 #26
x-actly! blackspade Feb 2014 #33
"War is a Racket" Titonwan Feb 2014 #44
Don't forget about JSOC which is under direct control of the POTUS and his mini me. L0oniX Feb 2014 #25
Fomenting more terrorism which we can spend more tax dollars on! bobduca Feb 2014 #27
"How does the administration justify the targeting of American citizens?" Titonwan Feb 2014 #28
Won't somebody please think of the jobs! SHRED Feb 2014 #29
Drones nil desperandum Feb 2014 #36
The drone conceit would seem exactly the "permanent war footing" DirkGently Feb 2014 #37
Well Said. bvar22 Feb 2014 #46
especially when others follow in our steps G_j Feb 2014 #49
Question 7: How many new Al Qaeda recruits are raised after a drone strike? Octafish Feb 2014 #45
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