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In reply to the discussion: Anatomy of the Deep State -- The Shadow Government that calls the shots [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)69. Interesting
It's starts off weaving a tale of a sinister shadow government, and ends with some vague conventional wisdom, explaining why it's losing "dominance."
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But there is another more structural reason the Deep State may have peaked in the extent of its dominance. While it seems to float above the constitutional state, its essentially parasitic, extractive nature means that it is still tethered to the formal proceedings of governance. The Deep State thrives when there is tolerable functionality in the day-to-day operations of the federal government. As long as appropriations bills get passed on time, promotion lists get confirmed, black (i.e., secret) budgets get rubber stamped, special tax subsidies for certain corporations are approved without controversy, as long as too many awkward questions are not asked, the gears of the hybrid state will mesh noiselessly. But when one house of Congress is taken over by Tea Party wahhabites, life for the ruling class becomes more trying.
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The House vote to defund the NSAs illegal surveillance programs was equally illustrative of the disruptive nature of the Tea Party insurgency. Civil-liberties Democrats alone would never have come so close to victory; Tea Party stalwart Justin Amash (R-MI), who has also upset the business community for his debt-limit fundamentalism, was the lead Republican sponsor of the NSA amendment, and most of the Republicans who voted with him were aligned with the Tea Party.
The final factor is Silicon Valley. Owing to secrecy and obfuscation, it is hard to know how much of the NSAs relationship with the Valley is based on voluntary cooperation, how much is legal compulsion through FISA warrants and how much is a matter of the NSA surreptitiously breaking into technology companies systems. Given the Valleys public relations requirement to mollify its customers who have privacy concerns, it is difficult to take the tech firms libertarian protestations about government compromise of their systems at face value, especially since they engage in similar activity against their own customers for commercial purposes. That said, evidence is accumulating that Silicon Valley is losing billions in overseas business from companies, individuals and governments that want to maintain privacy. For high-tech entrepreneurs, the cash nexus is ultimately more compelling than the Deep States demand for patriotic cooperation. Even legal compulsion can be combatted: unlike the individual citizen, tech firms have deep pockets and batteries of lawyers with which to fight government diktat.
This pushback has gone so far that on Jan. 17, President Obama announced revisions to the NSAs data collection programs, including withdrawing the NSAs custody of a domestic telephone record database, expanding requirements for judicial warrants and ceasing to spy on (undefined) friendly foreign leaders. Critics have denounced the changes as a cosmetic public relations move, but they are still significant in that the clamor has gotten so loud that the president feels the political need to address it.
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http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/dc-insider-theres-shadow-govt-running-country-and-its-not-re-election
But there is another more structural reason the Deep State may have peaked in the extent of its dominance. While it seems to float above the constitutional state, its essentially parasitic, extractive nature means that it is still tethered to the formal proceedings of governance. The Deep State thrives when there is tolerable functionality in the day-to-day operations of the federal government. As long as appropriations bills get passed on time, promotion lists get confirmed, black (i.e., secret) budgets get rubber stamped, special tax subsidies for certain corporations are approved without controversy, as long as too many awkward questions are not asked, the gears of the hybrid state will mesh noiselessly. But when one house of Congress is taken over by Tea Party wahhabites, life for the ruling class becomes more trying.
<...>
The House vote to defund the NSAs illegal surveillance programs was equally illustrative of the disruptive nature of the Tea Party insurgency. Civil-liberties Democrats alone would never have come so close to victory; Tea Party stalwart Justin Amash (R-MI), who has also upset the business community for his debt-limit fundamentalism, was the lead Republican sponsor of the NSA amendment, and most of the Republicans who voted with him were aligned with the Tea Party.
The final factor is Silicon Valley. Owing to secrecy and obfuscation, it is hard to know how much of the NSAs relationship with the Valley is based on voluntary cooperation, how much is legal compulsion through FISA warrants and how much is a matter of the NSA surreptitiously breaking into technology companies systems. Given the Valleys public relations requirement to mollify its customers who have privacy concerns, it is difficult to take the tech firms libertarian protestations about government compromise of their systems at face value, especially since they engage in similar activity against their own customers for commercial purposes. That said, evidence is accumulating that Silicon Valley is losing billions in overseas business from companies, individuals and governments that want to maintain privacy. For high-tech entrepreneurs, the cash nexus is ultimately more compelling than the Deep States demand for patriotic cooperation. Even legal compulsion can be combatted: unlike the individual citizen, tech firms have deep pockets and batteries of lawyers with which to fight government diktat.
This pushback has gone so far that on Jan. 17, President Obama announced revisions to the NSAs data collection programs, including withdrawing the NSAs custody of a domestic telephone record database, expanding requirements for judicial warrants and ceasing to spy on (undefined) friendly foreign leaders. Critics have denounced the changes as a cosmetic public relations move, but they are still significant in that the clamor has gotten so loud that the president feels the political need to address it.
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http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/dc-insider-theres-shadow-govt-running-country-and-its-not-re-election
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Octafish
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Octafish
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May explain why when we pull the lever marked 'Democrat' out pops something closer to something else
Octafish
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#8
So what a lot of US have stated/experienced for decades is, again, being verified. Better late than
bobthedrummer
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bobthedrummer, you've been on to their treasonous gangster capers since Day One.
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LongTomH
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Yes, and Walter Dornberger (former SS officer in charge of production at Peenemunde, ordered slaves
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An example of using government office to punish critics and profit the connected...
Octafish
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#25
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Feb 2014
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''But nobody reads.'' -- Allen Dulles, Warren Commissioner, former head of CIA, fired by JFK
Octafish
Feb 2014
#26
I will accept credit for reading a lot. But I will admit there are some books that I cant read
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#33
At least pick up the book and read the last chapter - she does give a blueprint on how to change the
Hestia
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#63
I own the book and will do as you suggest. I am currently reading "The God Delusion"
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''That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people...
Octafish
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#51
Bookmarking to read later when I have more time. K&R just for the synopsis alone
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One consistency in our Government for the past 100 years has been the …….
Bonhomme Richard
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I believe that most of the poor bastards that died for the South didnt have a choice.
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During Divine Destiny's Westward Push, they used blankets infected with smallpox.
Octafish
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#58
What a bunch of bollocks. "Shadow government" is a nonsense term to give an excuse to the
FSogol
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You can spot a conservative right off by their absolute closed-minded certainty.
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Did I just read on DU that Bill Moyers is trying to trick people into not voting?
DisgustipatedinCA
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#55
Oooo, you totally got away with a call out and you did it before the shadow government
FSogol
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#64
And you've served on hundreds of juries here from your Virginia home-lol! n/t
bobthedrummer
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#75
You haven't addressed anything in the article, leading ME, and I could be wrong, to the conclusion
sabrina 1
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#80
Re: Silicon Valley. I have long suspected that the NSA/CIA/US gov't shaped Google from the ground
Romulox
Feb 2014
#50
I remember reading about google's ties to us intelligence back when they were starting up.
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