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39. He Saw People, Incuding Himself, Being Asked To Follow Illegal Orders...

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 02:17 AM

Feb 2014

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter.

Military discipline and effectiveness is built on the foundation of obedience to orders. Recruits are taught to obey, immediately and without question, orders from their superiors, right from day-one of boot camp.

Military members who fail to obey the lawful orders of their superiors risk serious consequences. Article 90 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) makes it a crime for a military member to WILLFULLY disobey a superior commissioned officer. Article 91 makes it a crime to WILLFULLY disobey a superior Noncommissioned or Warrant Officer. Article 92 makes it a crime to disobey any lawful order (the disobedience does not have to be "willful" under this article).

Link: http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/militarylaw1/a/obeyingorders.htm

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ROFLMAO !!! - 'NSA Watchdog: Snowden Should Have Come To Me' - Politico [View all] WillyT Feb 2014 OP

The guy is a comedian RobertEarl Feb 2014 #1

...and most likely a magician also. Contrary1 Feb 2014 #10

Yup RobertEarl Feb 2014 #12

"Of course, given how we handle whistle blowers since Nine Eleven, truedelphi Feb 2014 #27

ha ha ha. "We would have explained to Mr. Snowden everything we do is legit, and quinnox Feb 2014 #2

“We have surprising success in resolving the complaints that are brought to us,” he said. Zorra Feb 2014 #3

Lol, especially since no one knows who these 'complainants' are, or were! sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #13

Oh boy... pacalo Feb 2014 #4

Ha ha ha. Too damn funny. n/t JimDandy Feb 2014 #5

Hey those talking points look familiar bobduca Feb 2014 #6

Yes they do look familiar don't they... Agony Feb 2014 #65

Keyser Sose will be lighting the bat signal. hootinholler Feb 2014 #7

Yeah, they would have sat down, talked to him, taken his concerns to higher authorities... Skip Intro Feb 2014 #8

then he woke up... pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #15

That's a near certainty. jsr Feb 2014 #53

It's only metadata... hahahaha the metapologists... pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #9

Ooo... I Like That... 'the metapologists'... WillyT Feb 2014 #14

yeah it's the same crowd that also can't understand what's so bad about torture... nt pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #17

I Hear ya... Familiar With Them Too... WillyT Feb 2014 #18

And always remember, 'if you have done nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about ... sabrina 1 Feb 2014 #16

lol - aka if you live like a veal calf, you have nothing to worry about nt pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #20

you have freedom of speech as long as it's not about anything important MisterP Feb 2014 #38

And no need to worry about any of this unless you are running a business, truedelphi Feb 2014 #42

"Metapologists"!!! bvar22 Feb 2014 #61

Hahaha - sure 840high Feb 2014 #11

LOL! blackspade Feb 2014 #19

And... What Kind Of Agency "Watchdog"... Say Something As Stupid As That ??? WillyT Feb 2014 #21

He does make a good point. idendoit Feb 2014 #22

Except For The Part From The Nuremberg Trail, That Does NOT Allow For Following An Illegal Order... WillyT Feb 2014 #23

So are you saying he shouldn't be held accountable? idendoit Feb 2014 #25

And Nazi Generals, And Oliver North, And GWBush, Dick Cheney, Scooter Libby, Richard Nixon... WillyT Feb 2014 #26

So not even the NSA should be held accountable? idendoit Feb 2014 #28

No, Not At All... He Should Be Held Accountable For The Apparent Damage To The Country... WillyT Feb 2014 #30

Right!! Off with his head then. idendoit Feb 2014 #32

You're New Here, Huh ??? WillyT Feb 2014 #33

Why do you ask? idendoit Feb 2014 #63

Wtf... So us gov is killing people on industrial scale like nazis? uponit7771 Feb 2014 #36

No, Of Course Not... But If The Signs Lined Up... How Would You Warn The Populace ??? WillyT Feb 2014 #37

So, if the US Gov't is only killing a few thousand, it's OK? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #40

Strawman and deflection note, the US gov has NOT gone into industrilized killing of people the... uponit7771 Feb 2014 #49

Oh, well, if it's not "industrialized" it's not really killing. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #52

the poster you replied to must have forgotten frwrfpos Feb 2014 #66

Iraq and Afghanistan = industrialized killing of people from low of 130,000 to high of 750,000+ pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #69

No it doesn't , the comparison to Naizs is out of th bagger book, the supposition uponit7771 Feb 2014 #70

US responsible for 130,000 documented deaths of innocents ==> industrialized killing pragmatic_dem Feb 2014 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #44

What order was Snowden supposedly given that was illegal? idendoit Feb 2014 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #74

That's not what the courts say. Try reality, it may help you. idendoit Feb 2014 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #76

I welcome your ignorance. idendoit Feb 2014 #78

Oaths are bullshit. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #47

Reminds me of the Bob Dylan lyric deutsey Feb 2014 #51

"we could have explained to Mr. Snowden his misperceptions," n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2014 #24

''It was like they were reading my mind.'' Octafish Feb 2014 #71

Snowden is a traitor. He took an oath of secrecy. Violating it means he underthematrix Feb 2014 #29

I'm Sorry You Are So Frightened... You Gonna Be Ok ??? WillyT Feb 2014 #31

So your excuses for Snowden breaking the law is? uponit7771 Feb 2014 #35

He Saw People, Incuding Himself, Being Asked To Follow Illegal Orders... WillyT Feb 2014 #39

Deflection, that doesn't answer what you think his or your excuse for him breaking the law is... uponit7771 Feb 2014 #50

Snowden was a network administrator. He had nothing to do with 'following illegal orders'. randome Feb 2014 #54

Hahahahahahahahahaha... Good One !!! WillyT Feb 2014 #59

This message was self-deleted by its author Th1onein Feb 2014 #45

Oaths are bullshit. Hissyspit Feb 2014 #48

Oath to whom? Booz Allen Hamilton? Octafish Feb 2014 #73

So, he's an Oathkeeper? Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #77

Yeap...Snowden could've went to him only wanted to steal docs and be an asshole uponit7771 Feb 2014 #34

Right. He should turn himself into the "watchdog" which is on a government leash? Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #41

C'mon. This has gotta be from the Onion, right? 2banon Feb 2014 #43

One could wish Savannahmann Feb 2014 #56

jaw dropping! No words... n/t 2banon Feb 2014 #57

Snowden could've gone to a sympathetic voice within the government... Drunken Irishman Feb 2014 #46

hero enid602 Feb 2014 #55

this caught my eye questionseverything Feb 2014 #58

Oh Yeah... WillyT Feb 2014 #67

…because NSA management are obviously so trustworthy and responsible????? librechik Feb 2014 #60

kick. Thanks for posting. +1 eom Purveyor Feb 2014 #62

Anytime Purveyor... Anytime... WillyT Feb 2014 #68