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In reply to the discussion: Anatomy of the Deep State -- The Shadow Government that calls the shots [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)109. Does NSA target JFK websites? (They won’t answer the question)
Does the NSA target websites about the assassination of President Kennedy for cognitive infiltration?
Jefferson Morley
JFKfacts.org, Feb. 27, 2014
Thats the question raised the latest revelations that Western intelligence agencies mount online covert operations as reported by Glenn Greenwald and NBC News.
From a GCHQ slideshow:Western intelligence agencies seek to deny, disrupt, degrade and deceive online targets.
These agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself, Greenwald wrote earlier this week in The Intercept. The accompanying documents, from Edward Snowden, prove the claim.
The Online Covert Operations, mounted by the Britains Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), targeted the hackers collective Anonymous and other perceived enemies, not just suspected terrorists, in 2010 and 2011, the documents show.
Nothing in the GCHQ slideshows indicates that JFK conspiracy sites have been targeted. But there is reason to inquire.
Obama aide proposed cognitive infiltration
As Greenwald notes, one former adviser to President Obama, Cass Sunstein has advocated using such tactics against online JFK discussion groups.
Cass Sunstein expressed worries about JFK Web sites in 2008.
Sunstein, former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-independent advocates to cognitively infiltrate JFK online groups and websites to combat their supposedly harmful message.
Sunstein proposed sending covert agents into chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups to combat what he views as false and damaging conspiracy theories about the September 11 attacks, the moon landing, and JFKs assassination in Dallas on November 22, 1963.
Sunstein and co-author Adrian Vermeule theorized that JFK conspiracy theories spread via reputational cascades.
In a reputational cascade, they opine, people think that they know what is right, or what is likely to be right, but they nonetheless go along with the crowd in order to maintain the good opinion of others.
They cited JFK as an example:
Suppose that Albert suggests that the Central Intelligence Agency was responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy, and that Barbara concurs with Albert, not because she actually thinks that Albert is right, but because she does not wish to seem, to Albert, to be some kind of dupe. If Albert and Barbara say that the CIA was responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy, Cynthia might not contradict them publicly and might even appear to share their judgment not because she believes that judgment to be correct, but because she does not want to face their hostility or lose their good opinion. It should be easy to see how this process might generate a cascade. Once Albert, Barbara, and Cynthia offer a united front on the issue, their friend David might be reluctant to contradict them even if he thinks that they are wrong.
(I must say that this scenario is laughably off the mark when it comes to the JFK Facts audience. Our readers dont defer to anyones elses judgment on the question of JFK and the CIA.)
What is to be done?
Sunstein and Vermeule argued there would seem to be ample reason for government efforts to introduce some cognitive diversity into the groups that generate conspiracy theories. Social cascades are sometimes quite fragile, precisely because they are based on small slivers of information. Once corrective information is introduced, large numbers of people can be shifted to different views. If government is able to have credibility, or to act through credible agents, it might well be successful in dislodging beliefs that are held only because no one contradicts them.
Within a year of writing those words, Sunstein was working in the White House.
Most anti-conspiratorial JFK writers I know regarded Sunsteins proposals as embarrassing and inappropriate. Only the most paranoid among us thought a Western intelligence agency actually might take up such a mission.
A threat to my business?
As the proprietor of a growing JFK website, I have to ask: did GCHQ or NSA ever take up Sunsteins suggestion and target (gulp) me and my customers?
I put two questions to the NSA Public Affairs office, first at 12:22 yesterday and again at 8:22 this morning.
(1) Does NSA engage in false flag operations where material is posted to the Internet and falsely attributed to someone else?;
(2) Does NSA engage in efforts to influence or manipulate online discourse about the assassination of President Kennedy?
The NSA Public Affairs office (nsapao@nsa.gov) did not respond to my questions.
CONTINUED w/Links n Lots more...
http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/news/does-nsa-target-jfk-web-sites-they-wont-answer-the-question/#more-12794
FTR: I met Mr. Morley at Duquesne. He is TOPS in every way. IMO, everybody who cares about JFK and democracy should support him and his work.
Regarding young Bill Moyers. Oh, yeah. A lot of the something got knocked out of him over the years. The one to watch, though, was Jack Valenti. A webmaster before there was one.
Jefferson Morley
JFKfacts.org, Feb. 27, 2014
Thats the question raised the latest revelations that Western intelligence agencies mount online covert operations as reported by Glenn Greenwald and NBC News.
From a GCHQ slideshow:Western intelligence agencies seek to deny, disrupt, degrade and deceive online targets.
These agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself, Greenwald wrote earlier this week in The Intercept. The accompanying documents, from Edward Snowden, prove the claim.
The Online Covert Operations, mounted by the Britains Government Communications Headquarters (GCHQ), targeted the hackers collective Anonymous and other perceived enemies, not just suspected terrorists, in 2010 and 2011, the documents show.
Nothing in the GCHQ slideshows indicates that JFK conspiracy sites have been targeted. But there is reason to inquire.
Obama aide proposed cognitive infiltration
As Greenwald notes, one former adviser to President Obama, Cass Sunstein has advocated using such tactics against online JFK discussion groups.
Cass Sunstein expressed worries about JFK Web sites in 2008.
Sunstein, former head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote a controversial paper in 2008 proposing that the US government employ teams of covert agents and pseudo-independent advocates to cognitively infiltrate JFK online groups and websites to combat their supposedly harmful message.
Sunstein proposed sending covert agents into chat rooms, online social networks, or even real-space groups to combat what he views as false and damaging conspiracy theories about the September 11 attacks, the moon landing, and JFKs assassination in Dallas on November 22, 1963.
Sunstein and co-author Adrian Vermeule theorized that JFK conspiracy theories spread via reputational cascades.
In a reputational cascade, they opine, people think that they know what is right, or what is likely to be right, but they nonetheless go along with the crowd in order to maintain the good opinion of others.
They cited JFK as an example:
Suppose that Albert suggests that the Central Intelligence Agency was responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy, and that Barbara concurs with Albert, not because she actually thinks that Albert is right, but because she does not wish to seem, to Albert, to be some kind of dupe. If Albert and Barbara say that the CIA was responsible for the assassination of President Kennedy, Cynthia might not contradict them publicly and might even appear to share their judgment not because she believes that judgment to be correct, but because she does not want to face their hostility or lose their good opinion. It should be easy to see how this process might generate a cascade. Once Albert, Barbara, and Cynthia offer a united front on the issue, their friend David might be reluctant to contradict them even if he thinks that they are wrong.
(I must say that this scenario is laughably off the mark when it comes to the JFK Facts audience. Our readers dont defer to anyones elses judgment on the question of JFK and the CIA.)
What is to be done?
Sunstein and Vermeule argued there would seem to be ample reason for government efforts to introduce some cognitive diversity into the groups that generate conspiracy theories. Social cascades are sometimes quite fragile, precisely because they are based on small slivers of information. Once corrective information is introduced, large numbers of people can be shifted to different views. If government is able to have credibility, or to act through credible agents, it might well be successful in dislodging beliefs that are held only because no one contradicts them.
Within a year of writing those words, Sunstein was working in the White House.
Most anti-conspiratorial JFK writers I know regarded Sunsteins proposals as embarrassing and inappropriate. Only the most paranoid among us thought a Western intelligence agency actually might take up such a mission.
A threat to my business?
As the proprietor of a growing JFK website, I have to ask: did GCHQ or NSA ever take up Sunsteins suggestion and target (gulp) me and my customers?
I put two questions to the NSA Public Affairs office, first at 12:22 yesterday and again at 8:22 this morning.
(1) Does NSA engage in false flag operations where material is posted to the Internet and falsely attributed to someone else?;
(2) Does NSA engage in efforts to influence or manipulate online discourse about the assassination of President Kennedy?
The NSA Public Affairs office (nsapao@nsa.gov) did not respond to my questions.
CONTINUED w/Links n Lots more...
http://jfkfacts.org/assassination/news/does-nsa-target-jfk-web-sites-they-wont-answer-the-question/#more-12794
FTR: I met Mr. Morley at Duquesne. He is TOPS in every way. IMO, everybody who cares about JFK and democracy should support him and his work.
Regarding young Bill Moyers. Oh, yeah. A lot of the something got knocked out of him over the years. The one to watch, though, was Jack Valenti. A webmaster before there was one.
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