I really can't believe some of what I've been reading here today.

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185. Ah, yes, the sarcasm icon may still be needed here! Sorry you saw the crazy, though.

The situation in Ukraine was and is, in the true sense of the term, byzantine. It's gone on longer than the USA was a dream of Europeans seeking to found in principle, if not in fact, a country based on the ideals learned from the Enlightenment. A process that is still being perfected, and always against great odds.

And it's odd, isn't it, that the claims of war being waged by Obama or wailing that he is not being aggressive, is coming from the left and the right? That some see WW3, and the Russians going wild in Europe?

I don't believe it is possible, but I understand that for many years that was the outcome. But that is the fear I see from one side - perhaps that is the 'warmongering' side being discussed. Read threads going all one way or the other, I'm wondering how they feel.

Not many facts are coming forward, a lot of opinion more than anything else. But I've seen some facts and events and excellent reasoning posted and those are the voices I want to learn from and enlarge my view of the bigger picture.

As far as the fighting here, I've come to believe the extremism of some who 'fight for peace' is the same energy as those who 'fight for freedom' like BushCo claimed. The world should not to be made to fit in an American mold, we are not even a finished product yet!

Some hate those who want a neutral view of things, no gray area allowed. Some wonderful mental gymnastics are being performed here. I am pissing off people because I still admit I don't know and am trying to find out, without prejudice to any of the parties involved.

I won't 'take a side' about what is done in a country so far away. Because it's not my life at risk, it's theirs. We are armchair quarterbacking here, they are making history there.