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In reply to the discussion: Anatomy of the Deep State -- The Shadow Government that calls the shots [View all]MinM
(2,650 posts)113. Peter Dale Scott contin...
The Deep State, The Shadow Government and the Wall Street Overworld
The deep state was defined by the UK newsletter On Religion as the embedded anti-democratic power structures within a government, something very few democracies can claim to be free from.10 The term originated in Turkey in 1996, to refer to U.S.-backed elements, primarily in the intelligence services and military, who had repeatedly used violence to interfere with and realign Turkeys democratic political process. Sometimes the definition is restricted to elements within the government (or a state-within-the state), but more often in Turkey the term is expanded, for historical reasons, to include members of the Turkish underworld.11 In this essay I shall use deep state in the larger sense, to include both the second level of secret government inside Washington and those outsiders powerful enough, in either the underworld or overworld, to give it direction. In short I shall equate the term deep state with what in 1993 I termed a deep political system: one which habitually resorts to decision-making and enforcement procedures outside as well as inside those publicly sanctioned by law and society.12
Like myself, Lofgren suggests an ambiguous symbiosis between two aspects of the American deep state:
1) the Beltway agencies of the shadow government, like the CIA and NSA, which have been instituted by the public state and now overshadow it, and
2) the much older power of Wall Street, referring to the powerful banks and law firms located there.
In their words,
It is not too much to say that Wall Street may be the ultimate owner of the Deep State and its strategies, if for no other reason than that it has the money to reward government operatives with a second career that is lucrative beyond the dreams of avarice certainly beyond the dreams of a salaried government employee.13
I shall argue that in the 1950s Wall Street was a dominating complex. It included not just banks and oil firms but also the oil majors whose cartel arrangements were successfully defended against the U.S. Government by the Wall Street law firm Sullivan and Cromwell, home to the Dulles brothers. This larger complex is what I mean by the Wall Street overworld...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-state-the-deep-state-and-the-wall-street-overworld/5372843
The deep state was defined by the UK newsletter On Religion as the embedded anti-democratic power structures within a government, something very few democracies can claim to be free from.10 The term originated in Turkey in 1996, to refer to U.S.-backed elements, primarily in the intelligence services and military, who had repeatedly used violence to interfere with and realign Turkeys democratic political process. Sometimes the definition is restricted to elements within the government (or a state-within-the state), but more often in Turkey the term is expanded, for historical reasons, to include members of the Turkish underworld.11 In this essay I shall use deep state in the larger sense, to include both the second level of secret government inside Washington and those outsiders powerful enough, in either the underworld or overworld, to give it direction. In short I shall equate the term deep state with what in 1993 I termed a deep political system: one which habitually resorts to decision-making and enforcement procedures outside as well as inside those publicly sanctioned by law and society.12
Like myself, Lofgren suggests an ambiguous symbiosis between two aspects of the American deep state:
1) the Beltway agencies of the shadow government, like the CIA and NSA, which have been instituted by the public state and now overshadow it, and
2) the much older power of Wall Street, referring to the powerful banks and law firms located there.
In their words,
It is not too much to say that Wall Street may be the ultimate owner of the Deep State and its strategies, if for no other reason than that it has the money to reward government operatives with a second career that is lucrative beyond the dreams of avarice certainly beyond the dreams of a salaried government employee.13
I shall argue that in the 1950s Wall Street was a dominating complex. It included not just banks and oil firms but also the oil majors whose cartel arrangements were successfully defended against the U.S. Government by the Wall Street law firm Sullivan and Cromwell, home to the Dulles brothers. This larger complex is what I mean by the Wall Street overworld...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-state-the-deep-state-and-the-wall-street-overworld/5372843
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Anatomy of the Deep State -- The Shadow Government that calls the shots [View all]
Octafish
Feb 2014
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'Shadow CIA' buys state secrets for cash via Swiss bank accounts, claims WikiLeaks as it releases 's
Octafish
Feb 2014
#7
May explain why when we pull the lever marked 'Democrat' out pops something closer to something else
Octafish
Feb 2014
#8
So what a lot of US have stated/experienced for decades is, again, being verified. Better late than
bobthedrummer
Feb 2014
#3
bobthedrummer, you've been on to their treasonous gangster capers since Day One.
Octafish
Feb 2014
#15
The Cosmosphere space museum, in Hutchinson, KS, of all places, has been very honest about..........
LongTomH
Feb 2014
#19
Yes, and Walter Dornberger (former SS officer in charge of production at Peenemunde, ordered slaves
bobthedrummer
Feb 2014
#60
An example of using government office to punish critics and profit the connected...
Octafish
Feb 2014
#25
As I have stated, I have no delusions that we can defeat the giant, but I'd rather go down
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#5
''But nobody reads.'' -- Allen Dulles, Warren Commissioner, former head of CIA, fired by JFK
Octafish
Feb 2014
#26
I will accept credit for reading a lot. But I will admit there are some books that I cant read
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#33
At least pick up the book and read the last chapter - she does give a blueprint on how to change the
Hestia
Feb 2014
#63
I own the book and will do as you suggest. I am currently reading "The God Delusion"
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#67
''That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people...
Octafish
Feb 2014
#51
Bookmarking to read later when I have more time. K&R just for the synopsis alone
riderinthestorm
Feb 2014
#9
One consistency in our Government for the past 100 years has been the …….
Bonhomme Richard
Feb 2014
#17
I believe that most of the poor bastards that died for the South didnt have a choice.
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#34
During Divine Destiny's Westward Push, they used blankets infected with smallpox.
Octafish
Feb 2014
#58
What a bunch of bollocks. "Shadow government" is a nonsense term to give an excuse to the
FSogol
Feb 2014
#27
You can spot a conservative right off by their absolute closed-minded certainty.
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#68
Did I just read on DU that Bill Moyers is trying to trick people into not voting?
DisgustipatedinCA
Feb 2014
#55
Oooo, you totally got away with a call out and you did it before the shadow government
FSogol
Feb 2014
#64
And you've served on hundreds of juries here from your Virginia home-lol! n/t
bobthedrummer
Feb 2014
#75
You haven't addressed anything in the article, leading ME, and I could be wrong, to the conclusion
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#80
Re: Silicon Valley. I have long suspected that the NSA/CIA/US gov't shaped Google from the ground
Romulox
Feb 2014
#50
I remember reading about google's ties to us intelligence back when they were starting up.
El_Johns
Feb 2014
#61
Know your BFEE: Behind the Curtain -- Booz Allen Hamilton and its Owner, The Carlyle Group
Octafish
Feb 2014
#105