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1. The existence of the online propaganda machine,

Wed Mar 19, 2014, 10:38 AM

Mar 2014

secret, unaccountable, targeted at Americans, undoubtedly funded by our tax dollars, is to me the most intimate sign of how sick, corrupt, and authoritarian this government has become.

What is happening in messaging from our own government is unconscionable, malignant, and creepy as hell. We've experienced massive betrayals by our government in recent years, but these sorts of revelations....mass spying; smear and disinformation; constant, orchestrated campaigns of manipulation aimed at citizens...

The relationship of the people to the US government has been fundamentally changed, and in a profound way. Perhaps we have not lived in a free country for some time now, but they have destroyed any remaining illusion of our real relationship to this government most of us were taught to believe was our own.

These are the tactics of a totalitarian state manipulating and exploiting its own people, not something any of us should have to associate with the United States of America.

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Online Propaganda - Invisible Tool of Secret Government [View all] Octafish Mar 2014 OP

The existence of the online propaganda machine, woo me with science Mar 2014 #1

It is staggering to behold as the populace seems blithley unaware... truebrit71 Mar 2014 #4

Un-American, Creepy as Hell, and Legal. Octafish Mar 2014 #8

Yes, it is Un-American. GCHQ and JTRIG are British intel divisions. This is not an NSA program. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #62

Yes, I'm sure it was presented in-depth to the NSA because they had no interest in it. Marr Mar 2014 #104

Octafish.. is there a way to access the article without setting up an account? 2banon Mar 2014 #85

Sorry! I don't believe it did that when I first found it... Octafish Mar 2014 #88

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Octafish.. 2banon Mar 2014 #97

This message was self-deleted by its author woo me with science Mar 2014 #16

Experts on everything. Autumn Mar 2014 #2

Amazing what the US Taxpayer gets for his and her money. Octafish Mar 2014 #12

As seen daily on DU. woo me with science Mar 2014 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #118

welcome to DU gopiscrap Mar 2014 #119

And the jury results are in.... aikoaiko Mar 2014 #120

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #121

That one tried to be sneaky. arcane1 Mar 2014 #125

Are you on MIRT? Can you tell me what happened? aikoaiko Mar 2014 #127

Alas, I'm not on MIRT. I wish I couldv'e seen the post that got them PPRed arcane1 Mar 2014 #128

Monopoly on Science (tm) Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #123

to read later snagglepuss Mar 2014 #3

Imagine if they combined high tech with craft learned in the pre-digital age? Octafish Mar 2014 #13

This is something that never should have been missed Aerows Mar 2014 #21

You are most welcome, Aerows! Octafish Mar 2014 #94

The manipulation is pervasive and transparent woo me with science Mar 2014 #5

Bamford spelled out the situation. Two weeks later, the Pentagon dropped the I-Bomb. Octafish Mar 2014 #14

This deserves it's own thread! 2banon Mar 2014 #98

Octa . . . ucrdem Mar 2014 #6

Absolutely. Gore Vidal pegged them... Octafish Mar 2014 #7

Okay. But what I'm getting at is this: ucrdem Mar 2014 #35

Oooh! I wonder too! Shifting eyes back and forth... back and forth. And don't forget there's a team! Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #77

I thought you didn't like deceptive propaganda? ucrdem Mar 2014 #79

I'm looking at you, kid. I am looking at you. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #82

I like you too. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #83

Yes, there are sure more players out there Aerows Mar 2014 #131

A mighty K&R Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #9

Taht KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK! 63 yards. 19-17. Octafish Mar 2014 #10

with a club foot! Puzzledtraveller Mar 2014 #11

Recommend jsr Mar 2014 #17

Other tactics aimed at individuals are listed here, under the revealing title “discredit a target”: Octafish Mar 2014 #27

+1 jsr Mar 2014 #96

Kick bobduca Mar 2014 #18

GCHQ describes the purpose of JTRIG in starkly clear terms: Octafish Mar 2014 #32

Deny/Disrupt/Degrade/Deceive Maedhros Mar 2014 #43

Absolutely, there are some classic examples of that here. But the good thing is we recognize them. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #57

Yes, it's hard to believe Greenwald would pass off British intel as an NSA program. ucrdem Mar 2014 #59

Thanks for mentioning Greenwald. The smear campaign against HIM is a perfect example of the OP. sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #70

The article in the OP appears under GG's name. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #72

Yes, it does. Again thanks for mentioning him. n/t sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #73

Exactly where you'd expect them to swarm, too. Marr Mar 2014 #106

DU rec n/t Catherina Mar 2014 #19

Online Covert Action Octafish Mar 2014 #33

Happy to keep this kicked to the top n/t Oilwellian Mar 2014 #20

Thank you, Oilwellian! Here's how this whole ball of antiterror police state wax got rolling... Octafish Mar 2014 #42

Greenwald. LOL...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #22

SidDithers SOP. Nothing to say about the issue, so use 'LOL' to ridicule Greenwald. Octafish Mar 2014 #23

LOL = Deny, as in Deny/Disrupt/Degrade/Deceive. Raksha Mar 2014 #74

Put it in D for Deny! Marr Mar 2014 #107

FYI, this piece was already posted when it first ran... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #24

It's worth posting again. Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #25

You must be thinking of Latest Breaking News. That DU forum runs articles just once. Octafish Mar 2014 #28

I did have some thoughts and a number of questions about the piece Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #30

Oh well. I'd have given them a try. Octafish Mar 2014 #34

Thanks... Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #37

Very good. H2O Man Mar 2014 #26

'The Mother Tongue is Propaganda' -- Marshall MacLuhan Octafish Mar 2014 #40

The best propaganda is one that you don't even realize is propaganda! Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #29

It takes a fish out of water. Octafish Mar 2014 #36

We should've paid attention to what he was saying. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #41

essential reading. BIG k and r bbgrunt Mar 2014 #31

'Conspiracy Stories' Octafish Mar 2014 #46

Recommend G_j Mar 2014 #38

The documents... attempt to identify ways to influence the outcomes... Octafish Mar 2014 #47

It's UK intel, not NSA. ucrdem Mar 2014 #49

Really? You think NSA plays second fiddle to Booz Allen Hamilton? Octafish Mar 2014 #51

I think Intercept is proving its true colors by passing this off as an NSA program. It isn't. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #53

"Repetition Reduces Vigilance" Maedhros Mar 2014 #66

I favor refutation in order to let their Words stand. Octafish Mar 2014 #76

great resource G_j Mar 2014 #69

US Government reminds employees it's illegal to read Wikileaks docs, etc. Octafish Mar 2014 #95

Can we at least establish that GCHQ and JTRIG are British intel divisions? ucrdem Mar 2014 #39

And the distribution list to Five Eyes across the bottom of the slides. Octafish Mar 2014 #50

Does your presenting it to us make us propagandists? No. ucrdem Mar 2014 #52

Does GCHQ keep secrets from NSA? Octafish Mar 2014 #89

Yep, that's Greenwald's playbook alright. idendoit Mar 2014 #44

The irony is downright comical. ucrdem Mar 2014 #55

Not as funny as someone pretending something isn't what it is. Octafish Mar 2014 #91

Kick (nt) malokvale77 Mar 2014 #45

Exclusive: NSA pays £100m in secret funding for GCHQ Octafish Mar 2014 #93

Why is Greenwald trying to pass off British intel as an NSA program? ucrdem Mar 2014 #48

That's good to know, but it's not the issue. Octafish Mar 2014 #65

Octa, it IS the issue, because Greenwald has been lying all along. ucrdem Mar 2014 #67

It was GREENWALD who called out Bush and Cheney on ILLEGAL N.S.A. Spying back in 2007. Octafish Mar 2014 #68

Greenwald wasn't even at the hearing. ucrdem Mar 2014 #71

NYT Buried NSA Spying Story BEFORE 2004 Selection Octafish Mar 2014 #103

Why are you so frantically repeating that talking point? Marr Mar 2014 #108

Truth bothering you? ucrdem Mar 2014 #110

You've repeatedly posted the same talking point at the OP. Marr Mar 2014 #111

"Desperate" is one word, but "rookie" is a nice word too. Kurovski Mar 2014 #115

Let's post these links again, (USA! USA!) woo me with science Mar 2014 #54

Here's a link: "The JTRIG is a unit of the GCHQ, the British intelligence agency." B-R-I-T-I-S-H. ucrdem Mar 2014 #56

Is intentional myopia contagious? woo me with science Mar 2014 #60

Only among the willfully blind. nt ucrdem Mar 2014 #61

Still pretending not to see the links? woo me with science Mar 2014 #63

Is the British government spying on Americans? ucrdem Mar 2014 #64

Yes. And sending that info right back at us. 5 eyes. How to bypass ever english speaking Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #80

Is everything okay? ucrdem Mar 2014 #81

Well, elderly next door neighbors are under a bit of a stress and we do all that we can to help out Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #84

k & r nt Zorra Mar 2014 #58

America's Outsourced Spy Force, by the Numbers Octafish Mar 2014 #101

It's a dirty job, and a lifetime commitment, and as we both know, Zorra Mar 2014 #130

K & R, bookmarked. n/t Raksha Mar 2014 #75

Online Covert Agent Accreditation Octafish Mar 2014 #105

Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; Lord Acton Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #78

No President should fear public scrutiny of his program. Octafish Mar 2014 #109

K&R. (nt) Kurovski Mar 2014 #86

kick. Kurovski Mar 2014 #87

POLITICAL USES OF ECHELON AND UKUSA Octafish Mar 2014 #90

Anytime, daddy-o. Kurovski Mar 2014 #116

Kicked to piss off the Staziwhores DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #92

LOL! good one! eom 2banon Mar 2014 #99

Gotcher back. johnnyreb Mar 2014 #102

Kick. Kurovski Mar 2014 #114

Kick malokvale77 Mar 2014 #100

We're lucky to have DU... CanSocDem Mar 2014 #112

K&R Thanks for another great thread, Octafish. LuvNewcastle Mar 2014 #113

Big K&R! PowerToThePeople Mar 2014 #117

Doiuble Agents -> Triple Agents.... Junkdrawer Mar 2014 #122

bump... nt Jesus Malverde Mar 2014 #124

The sailor has his strips on the wrong arm and he has no hash marks either. RC Mar 2014 #126

Thankfully if you look at recs and replies alone, most DUers are not fooled by the propaganda. Rex Mar 2014 #129

K&R Aerows Mar 2014 #132

Nicely put. Kurovski Mar 2014 #133

Thank you Aerows Mar 2014 #134

More relevant than ever. woo me with science Mar 2014 #135

Followed a link from another DU'er who puts great stock in your information. Judi Lynn Apr 2014 #136