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In reply to the discussion: Online Propaganda - Invisible Tool of Secret Government [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)27. Other tactics aimed at individuals are listed here, under the revealing title “discredit a target”:

NSA was never supposed to be used against We the People.
What the late Sen. Frank Church, D-Idaho, and a patriot, hero and statesman -- a truly great American, said:
That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything: telephone conversations, telegrams, it doesnt matter. There would be no place to hide. If this government ever became a tyranny, if a dictator ever took charge in this country, the technological capacity that the intelligence community has given the government could enable it to impose total tyranny, and there would be no way to fight back, because the most careful effort to combine together in resistance to the government, no matter how privately it was done, is within the reach of the government to know. Such is the capability of this technology.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
I dont want to see this country ever go across the bridge. I know the capability that is there to make tyranny total in America, and we must see it that this agency and all agencies that possess this technology operate within the law and under proper supervision, so that we never cross over that abyss. That is the abyss from which there is no return.
-- Sen. Frank Church (D-Idaho) FDR New Deal, Liberal, Progressive, World War II combat veteran. A brave man, the NSA was turned on him. Coincidentally, he narrowly lost re-election a few years later.
When talking about NSA spying, Corporate McPravda seldom mentions how Frank Church also led the last real investigation of CIA, NSA and FBI. When it came to NSA Tech circa 1975, he definitely knew what he was talking about. So, newly minted CIA director George Herbert Walker Bush would help shut down the investigation by making a case that former agents leaked the CIA station chief in Greece's name. Of course, no one brought up the point that the man's name was well known before any leaks, as detailed in in this post on DU.
And what happened to Church, for his trouble to preserve Democracy?
In 1980, Church will lose re-election to the Senate in part because of accusations of his committees responsibility for Welchs death by his Republican opponent, Jim McClure.
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
SOURCE: http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=frank_church_1
They use every dirty trick in the book, including spying on the people they are supposed to serve and protect.
Thanks for standing up to Them and their unconstitutional secret police powers, jsr. Wish more knew what is at stake.
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Yes, it is Un-American. GCHQ and JTRIG are British intel divisions. This is not an NSA program. nt
ucrdem
Mar 2014
#62
Yes, I'm sure it was presented in-depth to the NSA because they had no interest in it.
Marr
Mar 2014
#104
Bamford spelled out the situation. Two weeks later, the Pentagon dropped the I-Bomb.
Octafish
Mar 2014
#14
Oooh! I wonder too! Shifting eyes back and forth... back and forth. And don't forget there's a team!
Luminous Animal
Mar 2014
#77
Other tactics aimed at individuals are listed here, under the revealing title “discredit a target”:
Octafish
Mar 2014
#27
Absolutely, there are some classic examples of that here. But the good thing is we recognize them.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#57
Yes, it's hard to believe Greenwald would pass off British intel as an NSA program.
ucrdem
Mar 2014
#59
Thanks for mentioning Greenwald. The smear campaign against HIM is a perfect example of the OP.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#70
Thank you, Oilwellian! Here's how this whole ball of antiterror police state wax got rolling...
Octafish
Mar 2014
#42
SidDithers SOP. Nothing to say about the issue, so use 'LOL' to ridicule Greenwald.
Octafish
Mar 2014
#23
You must be thinking of Latest Breaking News. That DU forum runs articles just once.
Octafish
Mar 2014
#28
I think Intercept is proving its true colors by passing this off as an NSA program. It isn't. nt
ucrdem
Mar 2014
#53
It was GREENWALD who called out Bush and Cheney on ILLEGAL N.S.A. Spying back in 2007.
Octafish
Mar 2014
#68
Here's a link: "The JTRIG is a unit of the GCHQ, the British intelligence agency." B-R-I-T-I-S-H.
ucrdem
Mar 2014
#56
Yes. And sending that info right back at us. 5 eyes. How to bypass ever english speaking
Luminous Animal
Mar 2014
#80
Well, elderly next door neighbors are under a bit of a stress and we do all that we can to help out
Luminous Animal
Mar 2014
#84
Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; Lord Acton
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#78
Thankfully if you look at recs and replies alone, most DUers are not fooled by the propaganda.
Rex
Mar 2014
#129
Followed a link from another DU'er who puts great stock in your information.
Judi Lynn
Apr 2014
#136