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In reply to the discussion: Online Propaganda - Invisible Tool of Secret Government [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)93. Exclusive: NSA pays £100m in secret funding for GCHQ
Secret payments revealed in leaks by Edward Snowden
GCHQ expected to 'pull its weight' for Americans
Weaker regulation of British spies 'a selling point' for NSA
Nick Hopkins and Julian Borger
The Guardian, Thursday 1 August 2013 11.04 EDT
The US government has paid at least £100m to the UK spy agency GCHQ over the last three years to secure access to and influence over Britain's intelligence gathering programmes.
The top secret payments are set out in documents which make clear that the Americans expect a return on the investment, and that GCHQ has to work hard to meet their demands. "GCHQ must pull its weight and be seen to pull its weight," a GCHQ strategy briefing said.
The funding underlines the closeness of the relationship between GCHQ and its US equivalent, the National Security Agency. But it will raise fears about the hold Washington has over the UK's biggest and most important intelligence agency, and whether Britain's dependency on the NSA has become too great.
In one revealing document from 2010, GCHQ acknowledged that the US had "raised a number of issues with regards to meeting NSA's minimum expectations". It said GCHQ "still remains short of the full NSA ask".
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Snowden warned about the relationship between the NSA and GCHQ, saying the organisations have been jointly responsible for developing techniques that allow the mass harvesting and analysis of internet traffic. "It's not just a US problem," he said. "They are worse than the US."
As well as the payments, the documents seen by the Guardian reveal:
The details of the NSA payments, and the influence the US has over Britain, are set out in GCHQ's annual "investment portfolios". The papers show that the NSA gave GCHQ £22.9m in 2009. The following year the NSA's contribution increased to £39.9m, which included £4m to support GCHQ's work for Nato forces in Afghanistan, and £17.2m for the agency's Mastering the Internet project, which gathers and stores vast amounts of "raw" information ready for analysis.
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden
Thank you for standing up to Them, malokvale77!
GCHQ expected to 'pull its weight' for Americans
Weaker regulation of British spies 'a selling point' for NSA
Nick Hopkins and Julian Borger
The Guardian, Thursday 1 August 2013 11.04 EDT
The US government has paid at least £100m to the UK spy agency GCHQ over the last three years to secure access to and influence over Britain's intelligence gathering programmes.
The top secret payments are set out in documents which make clear that the Americans expect a return on the investment, and that GCHQ has to work hard to meet their demands. "GCHQ must pull its weight and be seen to pull its weight," a GCHQ strategy briefing said.
The funding underlines the closeness of the relationship between GCHQ and its US equivalent, the National Security Agency. But it will raise fears about the hold Washington has over the UK's biggest and most important intelligence agency, and whether Britain's dependency on the NSA has become too great.
In one revealing document from 2010, GCHQ acknowledged that the US had "raised a number of issues with regards to meeting NSA's minimum expectations". It said GCHQ "still remains short of the full NSA ask".
SNIP...
Snowden warned about the relationship between the NSA and GCHQ, saying the organisations have been jointly responsible for developing techniques that allow the mass harvesting and analysis of internet traffic. "It's not just a US problem," he said. "They are worse than the US."
As well as the payments, the documents seen by the Guardian reveal:
GCHQ is pouring money into efforts to gather personal information from mobile phones and apps, and has said it wants to be able to "exploit any phone, anywhere, any time".
Some GCHQ staff working on one sensitive programme expressed concern about "the morality and ethics of their operational work, particularly given the level of deception involved".
The amount of personal data available to GCHQ from internet and mobile traffic has increased by 7,000% in the past five years but 60% of all Britain's refined intelligence still appears to come from the NSA.
GCHQ blames China and Russia for the vast majority of cyber-attacks against the UK and is now working with the NSA to provide the British and US militaries with a cyberwarfare capability.
The details of the NSA payments, and the influence the US has over Britain, are set out in GCHQ's annual "investment portfolios". The papers show that the NSA gave GCHQ £22.9m in 2009. The following year the NSA's contribution increased to £39.9m, which included £4m to support GCHQ's work for Nato forces in Afghanistan, and £17.2m for the agency's Mastering the Internet project, which gathers and stores vast amounts of "raw" information ready for analysis.
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/aug/01/nsa-paid-gchq-spying-edward-snowden
Thank you for standing up to Them, malokvale77!
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Yes, it is Un-American. GCHQ and JTRIG are British intel divisions. This is not an NSA program. nt
ucrdem
Mar 2014
#62
Yes, I'm sure it was presented in-depth to the NSA because they had no interest in it.
Marr
Mar 2014
#104
Bamford spelled out the situation. Two weeks later, the Pentagon dropped the I-Bomb.
Octafish
Mar 2014
#14
Oooh! I wonder too! Shifting eyes back and forth... back and forth. And don't forget there's a team!
Luminous Animal
Mar 2014
#77
Other tactics aimed at individuals are listed here, under the revealing title “discredit a target”:
Octafish
Mar 2014
#27
Absolutely, there are some classic examples of that here. But the good thing is we recognize them.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#57
Yes, it's hard to believe Greenwald would pass off British intel as an NSA program.
ucrdem
Mar 2014
#59
Thanks for mentioning Greenwald. The smear campaign against HIM is a perfect example of the OP.
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#70
Thank you, Oilwellian! Here's how this whole ball of antiterror police state wax got rolling...
Octafish
Mar 2014
#42
SidDithers SOP. Nothing to say about the issue, so use 'LOL' to ridicule Greenwald.
Octafish
Mar 2014
#23
You must be thinking of Latest Breaking News. That DU forum runs articles just once.
Octafish
Mar 2014
#28
I think Intercept is proving its true colors by passing this off as an NSA program. It isn't. nt
ucrdem
Mar 2014
#53
It was GREENWALD who called out Bush and Cheney on ILLEGAL N.S.A. Spying back in 2007.
Octafish
Mar 2014
#68
Here's a link: "The JTRIG is a unit of the GCHQ, the British intelligence agency." B-R-I-T-I-S-H.
ucrdem
Mar 2014
#56
Yes. And sending that info right back at us. 5 eyes. How to bypass ever english speaking
Luminous Animal
Mar 2014
#80
Well, elderly next door neighbors are under a bit of a stress and we do all that we can to help out
Luminous Animal
Mar 2014
#84
Every thing secret degenerates, even the administration of justice; Lord Acton
Tierra_y_Libertad
Mar 2014
#78
Thankfully if you look at recs and replies alone, most DUers are not fooled by the propaganda.
Rex
Mar 2014
#129
Followed a link from another DU'er who puts great stock in your information.
Judi Lynn
Apr 2014
#136