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192. you think i am nuts for playing the best hand available to me

Sat Mar 22, 2014, 08:10 AM

Mar 2014

No I need you to understand (and many people think the way I do) that if I believe in religion I can possibly gain something if I am right, namely an afterlife.

If I believe in evolution then I gain nothing in this life and if evolution turns out to be wrong then I suffer in the afterlife.

So can you blame me for believing something which offers a reward if proved to be right at the end, rather than something that means I will just turn to dust with no reward for living a good life.

You may think I am nuts, I think I am playing the best hand available to me, believe in a god where there could possibly be a reward, or believe in evolution which offers nothing but turning to dust.

I played the best hand available to me, and so do many others.

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Does the Big Bang breakthrough offer proof of God? [View all] IDemo Mar 2014 OP

Bollocks. jsr Mar 2014 #1

Um...okay. randome Mar 2014 #2

It does nothing of the sort. CFLDem Mar 2014 #3

+1. closeupready Mar 2014 #54

As God, I Have To Say That This Is Actually True, But None Of You Will Be Able to Comprehend Why Skraxx Mar 2014 #267

oh FFS.... mike_c Mar 2014 #4

Well, accordding to "Holy Writ" Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #5

I wish he'd get on with it then. MoonRiver Mar 2014 #50

I REALLY Kelvin Mace Mar 2014 #51

Absolutely! MoonRiver Mar 2014 #58

While it may be true that Hoyle coined the term "Big Bang" he did so derisively. CBGLuthier Mar 2014 #6

Do they still call themselves 'news'? AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #7

Chicken Noodle Network C_U_L8R Mar 2014 #8

Maybe god wants to bang that? Whisp Mar 2014 #14

I don't have a problem with it qazplm Mar 2014 #9

we are a country of idiots bowens43 Mar 2014 #10

People are scared and overwhelmed so they believe fantastical things. stillwaiting Mar 2014 #29

I am truly leaning toward that yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #77

Judeo-Christianity hardly possesses a monopoly on 'big-bang' cosmology-as-theology Cirque du So-What Mar 2014 #11

Has religion always co-opted scientific fact once sufrommich Mar 2014 #12

THIS nt redqueen Mar 2014 #34

But first! This just in! KansDem Mar 2014 #13

It is a blog nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #15

Yeah, I just prepended the 'breaking news' in keeping with this weeks CNN-ism n/t IDemo Mar 2014 #24

Well CNN news has been running that line of thought nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #28

But that is Nooz! Brother Buzz Mar 2014 #228

Oh-oh, Chongo!!! derby378 Mar 2014 #16

As a Christian, let me say: chrisa Mar 2014 #17

Good reply sarisataka Mar 2014 #30

No. Who made God? Hmmmm? catbyte Mar 2014 #18

This breaking news just in: CNN is completely brain-damaged. backscatter712 Mar 2014 #19

CNN published this? LittleBlue Mar 2014 #20

Wolf Blitzer reporting live from the Speculation Room Blue Owl Mar 2014 #21

DUzy malaise Mar 2014 #37

Idiots. Iggo Mar 2014 #22

What? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #23

oh jesus u. christ on a fucking trolley really CNN? snooper2 Mar 2014 #25

No. The Judeo-Christian concept of Yahweh has been defined as supernatural. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #26

Facepalm NoOneMan Mar 2014 #27

Humans created god seveneyes Mar 2014 #31

I want to believe that our universe was a being from another universe's equivalent to a... Humanist_Activist Mar 2014 #39

um... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #83

My philosophy professor in college lordsummerisle Mar 2014 #253

So, is god paying for all this advertising, or is CNN doing it for free? FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #32

the inflationary era just proves Satan's real MisterP Mar 2014 #33

Nobody is this stupid... okay, yes they are cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #35

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How many giraffes does it take to change a light bulb? Humanist_Activist Mar 2014 #38

If I'm understanding the argument, if it happened then God did it. LiberalAndProud Mar 2014 #40

That's pretty much my understanding of the article. Trillo Mar 2014 #105

It's the usual way of these things... Ron Obvious Mar 2014 #41

If by "God" they mean Alan Guth's theory of hyperinflation, and Andrei Linde's theory of chaotic Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #42

I wish they would stop lumping "Judeo's" with Christians... PCIntern Mar 2014 #43

I agree. Basically it's cover, so they can disguise the fact that it's really a fundy Xtian agenda Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #45

I always figured that everyone was geting the Judeo part wrong Tyrs WolfDaemon Mar 2014 #66

What is a "God"? maxsolomon Mar 2014 #44

People more emotionally invested in getting you to affirm or deny a concept, than defining it Warren DeMontague Mar 2014 #46

Did God do it Himself or contract it out? If so, He should fire the contractors. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #47

There was no 'before'. GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #48

"offering strong support for biblical beliefs" Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #49

Only if it's turtles all the way down Scootaloo Mar 2014 #52

UNREC brooklynite Mar 2014 #53

After the "black hole ate MH370?" fiasco, I really thought this was going to be satire muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #55

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both god and big bang rely on some sort of faith for they can never be proven beyond doubt politicman Mar 2014 #57

"something just does not come from nothing" FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #61

but didnt there need to be something forthe particles to appear in. politicman Mar 2014 #65

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dont natural processes need conditions for them to occur in politicman Mar 2014 #81

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science has it immeasurable benefits but it is inacapable of answering the question politicman Mar 2014 #147

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thanks for your answer politicman Mar 2014 #169

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this is fun now politicman Mar 2014 #173

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Facepalm nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #153

you think you so smart huh politicman Mar 2014 #157

Actually they have nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #159

wow politicman Mar 2014 #161

I know you are having a problem with the concept of nothingness nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #163

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thanks for your answer, if you could expand a little more politicman Mar 2014 #170

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I apologise for my mistake politicman Mar 2014 #174

Does a prosecutor in a murder case have to kill the victim over again to "prove" murder? Silent3 Mar 2014 #268

Theories are the equivalent of scientific facts. jpak Mar 2014 #197

really? politicman Mar 2014 #201

All theories can be falsified - with verifiable evidence. jpak Mar 2014 #209

You're thinking in human terms about inhuman topics cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #62

isnt that what religion is, believing in something higher than humans and human topics politicman Mar 2014 #63

Religion is completely based in human perception. HuckleB Mar 2014 #85

Miracles may be human imgaination, but so is belieing that something just always existed. politicman Mar 2014 #93

13.3 Billion years is not, in any way, shape or form, always. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #102

doesnt matter the age of the universe, where did the original conditions for the universe come from. politicman Mar 2014 #107

You insist on faith nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #117

please dont think I want you to believe or say what you are against, thats your perogative. politicman Mar 2014 #127

The creator is not science nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #133

how about his simple question politicman Mar 2014 #141

Answered bellow nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #144

No. That is a human micro-perception cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #222

why is your faith in soemthing you cannot conceptaulize more valid than mine politicman Mar 2014 #223

Something from nothing LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #64

can you have an explosion into nothing? doesnt there have to be something to have the explosion in? politicman Mar 2014 #69

Multiverse might be the actual explanation nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #73

half an explantion I think politicman Mar 2014 #91

In my mind the more we learn nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #99

please keep in mind that religion is in essence a belief in a originator. politicman Mar 2014 #101

You are inserting, forcing theology, into something where nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #103

not inserting, just saying there is no difference in faiths politicman Mar 2014 #110

You are once again inserting belief nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #114

pleased read carefully. politicman Mar 2014 #119

You are referring to a math paradox nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #120

do you have a better way politicman Mar 2014 #129

It is called the Russian Doll paradox nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #134

ok... politicman Mar 2014 #142

In theology, yes nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #143

gravity yes, something appear out of nowhere with no conditions for it to occur, no i dont believe politicman Mar 2014 #149

But it arose from the Big Bang nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #150

thanks, leave you to ponder these questions. politicman Mar 2014 #154

Yes really nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #156

If you want to insult go ahead, just makes your inability to provide answers politicman Mar 2014 #158

I know exactly where they came from nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #160

am i reading you right politicman Mar 2014 #162

Wrong. That is well after nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #164

great, now we are getting somewhere politicman Mar 2014 #168

Yes, it came from nothing nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #175

this is fun is it not:) politicman Mar 2014 #177

No it is not fun nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #219

Then who created the originator? NuclearDem Mar 2014 #113

exactly, bot ideas require faith, so why is anyone calling out the other for being wrong. politicman Mar 2014 #122

The "creator" or "originator" is not a theory. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #128

to each their won I say politicman Mar 2014 #132

When it comes to matters of science, there is no "to each their own." NuclearDem Mar 2014 #136

so the big bang didnt need any materials to occur. politicman Mar 2014 #145

Not in the conventional sense you are thinking off nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #241

An "ultimate creator" origin seems unlikely -- Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #116

.... politicman Mar 2014 #125

Adding a creator into the mix just moves it all back a place. Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #130

I can say the same about matter just coming into existence from nothing politicman Mar 2014 #140

"unless you argue that something just always existed with no beginning what so ever." NuclearDem Mar 2014 #131

ok then.... politicman Mar 2014 #139

Those absolute are not as absolute as you think LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #76

heres another way to put it. politicman Mar 2014 #90

I understand your view LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #213

theories can apparently explain alot if they never are able to be tested, dont you think politicman Mar 2014 #217

Jesus age we create water, and break it apart all the fucking time nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #220

honesly my question was a serious one. politicman Mar 2014 #221

First it is not the elements for water nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #230

Again, if it is a THEORY it has been tested in some way shape or form LostOne4Ever Mar 2014 #266

And here we go. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #70

Add a dash of multiverse nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #74

I'm more than willing to say "I just don't know" on a lot of this. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #108

Yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #111

a 'hot and dense entity' is still something, an entity is still something that needed a beginning politicman Mar 2014 #100

There was no "before the Big Bang" as far as space time is concerned. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #106

time and space AS WE KNOW IT started with the universe, are we not to ask what was before that politicman Mar 2014 #118

Oh boy. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #126

ok ill try this again politicman Mar 2014 #138

This is the last I'll reply to this. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #148

sorry to have pissed you off politicman Mar 2014 #151

Evolution is a fact, not theory RainDog Mar 2014 #184

yes i don't believe in evoulition, its too convienient that nothing has evolved since politicman Mar 2014 #185

Evolution has been observed RainDog Mar 2014 #186

thanks for the concern, but I am content politicman Mar 2014 #189

I hope you never use antibiotics RainDog Mar 2014 #190

I lose nothing by believing in god, instead I might gain something if I am right politicman Mar 2014 #193

You use the same talking points as a christian fundamentalist RainDog Mar 2014 #195

you may think reality is more inspiring, but I think a higher being is a lot more inspiring politicman Mar 2014 #198

It's about the way someone checks information RainDog Mar 2014 #199

yes we dont live in the dark ages, but we dont have the answers to all the questions either politicman Mar 2014 #202

wow RainDog Mar 2014 #204

mock me if you like, but answer this question if you can politicman Mar 2014 #210

other intelligent apes evolved VMA131Marine Mar 2014 #244

oh wait - you're claiming evolutionary evidence has been faked? RainDog Mar 2014 #187

you think i am nuts for playing the best hand available to me politicman Mar 2014 #192

so the benefit of religion to you RainDog Mar 2014 #196

again I will believe what you can show me through experiment politicman Mar 2014 #200

Virii evolve RainDog Mar 2014 #203

sorry if a cannot accept evolutionw without a proper explanation of why other creatures did not also politicman Mar 2014 #206

LOL RainDog Mar 2014 #207

mock all you like, but we will all lose in the end politicman Mar 2014 #212

I see nothing progressive about your words RainDog Mar 2014 #216

progressive does not mean believing in only science to explain everything politicman Mar 2014 #218

you rely on conspiracy theory, denial and bad argument RainDog Mar 2014 #224

If life evolves according to habitat, why did Mars not evolve its own life to live in its habitat politicman Mar 2014 #225

Against my better judgment, I'm getting back into this. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #227

I read what you say but if life began with water, the surely Mars.... politicman Mar 2014 #231

... NuclearDem Mar 2014 #235

I'm no astronomer or astrophysicist RainDog Mar 2014 #229

In our own galaxy nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #233

And humans may just be vehicles to transport bacteria RainDog Mar 2014 #237

Self important taxis at that nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #238

It did, and then it went away nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #242

It's why DU is seriously changing, not necessarily for the better...as results show TeamPooka Mar 2014 #258

I wonder who sent the alert? RainDog Mar 2014 #259

Me too, since alerting is a worthless exercise nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #264

First fallacy, humans, nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #248

No faith is required for the big bang theory. phil89 Mar 2014 #152

and something appearing out of nothing is not special pleading? politicman Mar 2014 #155

Why is there anything rather than nothing? longship Mar 2014 #205

We have been kind nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #239

This message was self-deleted by its author longship Mar 2014 #254

No. If god caused the big bang, you are still left with the problem of what caused god. FarCenter Mar 2014 #59

It's tortoises all the way down! Hissyspit Mar 2014 #176

Well, not anymore FarCenter Mar 2014 #215

It was round by the time of Greece, latest Rome. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #257

First they need to prove the big bang. idendoit Mar 2014 #60

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Checkout the data at bicepkrek.org. idendoit Mar 2014 #78

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I agree with you on the god parts. idendoit Mar 2014 #95

Two things: NuclearDem Mar 2014 #109

In reply to those two things: idendoit Mar 2014 #243

1) No it doesn't. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #246

What doesn't what? idendoit Mar 2014 #260

The evidence doesn't fit a static model of the universe. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #261

Your statement provides evidence to support the static model. idendoit Mar 2014 #262

No. The static model was roundly rejected in the mid-20th century for the reasons I gave you. NuclearDem Mar 2014 #263

As I pointed out before. idendoit Mar 2014 #265

I have stronger proof that there is no God.... SidDithers Mar 2014 #68

No more than it denies it. hobbit709 Mar 2014 #72

No. XRubicon Mar 2014 #75

Please MattBaggins Mar 2014 #79

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. .... .... .... No. HuckleB Mar 2014 #82

I always wonder why the anti-theists get so worked up over this goldent Mar 2014 #84

You like attention, don't you? HuckleB Mar 2014 #86

I do write posts for people to read, otherwise I wouldn't write them! goldent Mar 2014 #87

Coouhl. HuckleB Mar 2014 #88

Lol. nt La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #251

Big Bang = God farted. VScott Mar 2014 #89

Sheldon comes pretty close! WinkyDink Mar 2014 #92

Of course it does. It also offers the same amount of proof of the non-existence of God. -nt Liberal Veteran Mar 2014 #94

Proof of God... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #96

If so why did he create roaches long before 'humans' Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2014 #97

Cause he knew humans would have free will nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #121

not to mention the archebacteria! Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2014 #123

Well, somebody needs to be around to nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #124

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Maybe and maybe not. It's wonderful no matter what. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #104

What is God? Rex Mar 2014 #112

Only for people desperately grasping at straws to prove their "god"... Walk away Mar 2014 #115

Why is it that a religion that is all about 'faith" truebluegreen Mar 2014 #135

If you have faith, what difference does evidence make? nyquil_man Mar 2014 #146

Why wouldn't you ask if it DISPROVED the existence of God? cherokeeprogressive Mar 2014 #166

Because that's an irrational question n/t RainDog Mar 2014 #183

Yes it does. Kablooie Mar 2014 #178

Of course not. Iggo Mar 2014 #179

It's interesting physics: it has nothing to do with "proof of G-d" struggle4progress Mar 2014 #181

LOL RainDog Mar 2014 #182

The existence or non-existence of God makes not the slightest difference to the practice of science eridani Mar 2014 #188

Very interesting read. NaturalHigh Mar 2014 #191

All based on a false assumption Motown_Johnny Mar 2014 #194

Yes, that flawed logic edhopper Mar 2014 #211

God could easy prove God exists. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #208

Yo, Yahweh -- Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #232

God used to be far more extroverted. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #255

On a recent expedition to the East Coast, I discovered the ancient seaport of Nantucket Thor_MN Mar 2014 #214

Of course not, but it's unsurprising that CNN would think so. arcane1 Mar 2014 #226

Make it stop........... we can do it Mar 2014 #234

LOL. La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #236

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science does not fully predict what i do. therefore i am divine. nt La Lioness Priyanka Mar 2014 #249

Proof, or did the writer mean, "evidence"? fascisthunter Mar 2014 #245

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Oh, for heaven's sake (um, so to speak). Of course not. Jgarrick Mar 2014 #252

Last Saturday night was pretty close to proof. nt Zorra Mar 2014 #256