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143. Which means absolutely nothing because the math was there for LBJ...

Reply to MannyGoldstein (Reply #98)

Sun Mar 23, 2014, 10:02 PM

Mar 2014

And math trumps everything, even platitudinous, false historical equivalency commentary from the Guardian.

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"But we couldn't *possibly* have gotten single payer!" [View all] MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 OP

What did you do about it at the time? BainsBane Mar 2014 #1

People need to understand what was done to them, don't you think? nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #4

We all lived through it BainsBane Mar 2014 #5

Putting words in my mouth again? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #6

Do you understand the meaning of a question mark in English? BainsBane Mar 2014 #7

Let's be clear: you asked a question, got no answer, and loudly determined my answer for me. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #16

Not true at all BainsBane Mar 2014 #87

Only true for people who speak English. nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #91

Okay, I'll play BainsBane Mar 2014 #94

e.g., "By not answering it demonstrates you did exactly nothing to promote single payer at the time" MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #99

True, I don't know BainsBane Mar 2014 #103

"Yeah, I guess I did make stuff up. But..." MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #109

Right after you apologize BainsBane Mar 2014 #114

The jury says: TexasTowelie Mar 2014 #119

Wait, MANNY is the one who got alerted in that exchange? tkmorris Mar 2014 #163

Agreed. philly_bob Mar 2014 #260

+1 SammyWinstonJack Mar 2014 #273

Why ask questions? If you have a point, spit it out without Just Asking Questions. rhett o rick Mar 2014 #188

Why not ask questions? BainsBane Mar 2014 #197

That sounds a lot like something Glenn Beck would say. xocet Mar 2014 #278

Is your contention that being a leftist BainsBane Mar 2014 #291

Sure it is.I get accused of it here all the time. Bring up one point thats not the majority opinion 7962 Mar 2014 #304

In this case, it's not even a different view BainsBane Mar 2014 #317

Beck, is that you? Just asking.... n/t xocet Mar 2014 #305

"Putting words in my mouth again?" Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #234

I think you did nothing to promote single payer. Am I right? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #380

your reply to BB looks like evasion and blame... BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #391

I see that as common response to anyone BainsBane Mar 2014 #407

I guess this is his only outlet BlancheSplanchnik Mar 2014 #415

No, he is working to make the Democratic party accountable to the needs of the people by TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #15

That would have been great in 2008-09 BainsBane Mar 2014 #20

We voted for Change We Can Believe In MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #21

You didn't vote for single payer BainsBane Mar 2014 #22

I voted for a public option MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #25

This just occurred to you today? BainsBane Mar 2014 #42

Are you a mind reader? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #44

I may be crappy BainsBane Mar 2014 #49

I feel zero obligation to respond to impolite people MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #52

LOL BainsBane Mar 2014 #64

That was a thing of beauty Bainsbane. tridim Mar 2014 #85

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #221

Once again the topic is hijack zeemike Mar 2014 #157

Why should I have to defend Nancy Pelosi? BainsBane Mar 2014 #196

And who DID you vote for because YOU didn't vote for a public option because NO one ran on that/// VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #48

Uh, no. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #67

Thanks for proving my point... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #70

Which part of "But he touted the public option on his campaign website" are you unclear on? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #73

but he didn't campaign on it....even I knew that....please tell me you are smarter than I am! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #76

So he put it on his campaign's web site but... what am I missing? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #151

He didn't campaign on it....I have said that all along.....I told you that is WHY I supported VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #161

So it was on his campaign web site, but he didn't campaign on it. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #167

No, never. He never said a thing about it. Common Sense Party Mar 2014 #363

Breaking: Presidential candidate forgets "sarcasm" tag. cui bono Mar 2014 #171

It was in his platform, he mentioned it in campaign speeches and he touted it during his first year cui bono Mar 2014 #328

Then why is your OP about single payer BainsBane Mar 2014 #286

Insurance and health in the same sentence does not compute, does not compute ... MindMover Mar 2014 #97

So you think there is no insurance in countries with Single Payer healthcare? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #170

they do not sell basic health insurance of course there is property insurance and life insurance ... MindMover Mar 2014 #187

Oh yes they do....they sell cadillac plans.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #189

but he didn't campaign on it because HE knew it wasn't possible... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #169

You were just telling yourself Obama is smarter than you are. hehe... cui bono Mar 2014 #335

Yes I am saying he IS smarter than I! Could I have gotten the Affordable Care Act passed... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #336

You ignored the entire substance of my post. He DID mention the public option while campaigning cui bono Mar 2014 #345

Mentioning it...supporting it....and running on it are very different things aren't they... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #348

He was putting the public option out there *after* the campaign. cui bono Mar 2014 #357

I am not missing anything.....he also put common sense-gun control "out there" after too.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #359

The president was engaging in some mealy-mouth bullshit here. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #204

Is the Affordable Care Act just "mealy-mouthed bullshit"? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #339

Who did you vote for since there was no public option? Republicans? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #382

I wasn't DEMANDING it.....I was for Hillary at first because I believed she was closer to it than VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #384

Obama, of course. Of the two, Hillary is less to the left. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #385

that is bunk...she is NOT VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #390

That uninformative graph was shown a long time ago to have incorrect results cui bono Mar 2014 #401

Uninformative huh? Where is YOUR graph to prove YOUR position??? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #416

Look, I agree neither is what you and I want, but the way you're going about is not just wrong Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #402

Oh no it is not..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #417

Across the board. So what's the problem? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #435

Funny I voted for Barack Obama....and he won and not by a "tiny fringe group" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #420

As did I, so what's your problem? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #434

No what is YOUR problem...I wasn't the one that asked that question now was I? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #442

Okay, we're on the same side. :) I live in North Florida. I've reached my limit of Repukes Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #443

I used to live in Jax Fla myself.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #444

I know what you mean. It's HARD living surrounded by Repugs and teabaggers. I can't stand it. Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #445

and they are like an anchor around our neck...they are not going to move "leftward" easily.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #447

And the thing is, they've tried it already. It failed more than miserably, but they want it again Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #451

Yes entirely.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #452

Clinton is the current target BainsBane Mar 2014 #408

You can just feel the hypocritical mysogyny heating up...its already palpable... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #418

In this case, I think it goes beyond gender BainsBane Mar 2014 #419

Yeah I agree with you....in this case ...its beyond mere gender... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #421

Hmmm Oilwellian Mar 2014 #181

and as we see ....it couldn't have been done now could it? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #208

Your claims are historically inaccurate Rilgin Mar 2014 #294

He LOST the magic wand? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #298

I do not know what you are addressing Rilgin Mar 2014 #311

supporting it and believing it and campaigning on it are very different things... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #313

You have a wierd definition of campain and support Rilgin Mar 2014 #319

+1 cui bono Mar 2014 #398

This is how I remember it also. nt Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #344

None of that counts you know Autumn Mar 2014 #239

supporting it ....and belief that you can pass it through both the Senate and the House... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #301

Do you think he supports the TPP? Autumn Mar 2014 #351

and that damages the Affordable Care Act how? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #352

Are we supposed to be looking for something that damages Obamacare? Autumn Mar 2014 #353

Yeah I do....but he didn't run on that either... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #360

So he lied when he campaigned? Got it. Autumn Mar 2014 #361

So is this President the same as George W Bush? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #23

Yes, that's exactly what I said MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #26

Yeah in an alternate reality....the one in that noggin of yours... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #74

They do love their dichotomy. zeemike Mar 2014 #160

What dichotomy.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #307

they all work for the oligarchy ..... nt MindMover Mar 2014 #66

So it's all the same? BainsBane Mar 2014 #71

he was brought in to quell the disrupters ... and proved a point, that this government is totally .. MindMover Mar 2014 #75

So what's your solution? BainsBane Mar 2014 #77

we are using the future right now ... this instant ... nt MindMover Mar 2014 #80

That says nothing BainsBane Mar 2014 #82

we are still able to converse instantaneously on this medium which certain oligarchs ... MindMover Mar 2014 #86

In other words BainsBane Mar 2014 #90

that might be your method, while others around the world are changing their world .... MindMover Mar 2014 #93

You do know that the revolutionaries BainsBane Mar 2014 #96

First, the will of the people should be how our representatives vote, not the will of someone who .. MindMover Mar 2014 #101

Unfortunately, Citizens United and related rulings make that impossible BainsBane Mar 2014 #106

money will never leave politics ... MindMover Mar 2014 #108

and thus the oligarchy's power increases BainsBane Mar 2014 #111

so you are one that believes Snowden should be hung by his balls ... MindMover Mar 2014 #115

No BainsBane Mar 2014 #117

You said we lose to the oligarchs if we communicate thru this medium to our reps MindMover Mar 2014 #120

That is not what I said BainsBane Mar 2014 #123

see my post 125 MindMover Mar 2014 #129

But we keep voting in people who pretty much are the same for the most part. cui bono Mar 2014 #174

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Mar 2014 #198

I believe the reason we have the shift to the right BainsBane Mar 2014 #198

The right's leaders get a message out though. They know how to frame things so that they cui bono Mar 2014 #207

Ding Ding Ding! bullsnarfle Mar 2014 #261

BINFUCKINGGO!!! laundry_queen Mar 2014 #276

Yes, and the R's come in with their crazy demands and Obama meets them halfway cui bono Mar 2014 #338

The Right Wing Owns the Media and the Churches AndyTiedye Mar 2014 #453

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Mar 2014 #198

+1000 Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #262

24,000 posts in 2 years. I'm glad to hear you're not sitting around and surfing the web. nt DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #392

Clearly writing isn't as challenging or time-consuming BainsBane Mar 2014 #397

Oh, no doubt. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #399

Clearly you've missed the context of this discussion BainsBane Mar 2014 #411

"you see my concerns for human equality as objectionable" DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #414

Nicely done. nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #438

Well it took him a bit longer than Bush to get his truedelphi Mar 2014 #219

But we did not support him after we voted him in. passiveporcupine Mar 2014 #138

If Democrats had gotten the job done in 2009-2010, we'd have elected more of 'em MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #142

Yeah...I guess you are right passiveporcupine Mar 2014 #176

We did not "let" the Republicans take the house. cui bono Mar 2014 #177

Yes they gerrymandered the hell out of varies states but thats our own fault really. cstanleytech Mar 2014 #186

Any gerrymandering did not take place until after 2010. MineralMan Mar 2014 #252

Okay, maybe I'm mixing the years up with the gerrymandering but cui bono Mar 2014 #321

It was low turnout, period. MineralMan Mar 2014 #322

I don't agree that gerrymandering is just an excuse. Yes, it can be overcome considering the number cui bono Mar 2014 #324

Well, if people don't turn out because of gerrymandering, MineralMan Mar 2014 #325

Gerrymandering doesn't keep people from turning out, it makes the district unbalanced to cui bono Mar 2014 #329

Wait, what? ljm2002 Mar 2014 #449

Politicians who do the work of the people will hand you something. cui bono Mar 2014 #168

No, actually, he's whining and wanting 1 person to reverse the damage done over 33 years by him (the Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #381

Yes we do need to be reminded, how do you think it will get fixed? A Simple Game Mar 2014 #256

I would love to talk about fixes BainsBane Mar 2014 #287

I read the OP as a reminder that we have to put more pressure on our elected officials. A Simple Game Mar 2014 #332

Then why when asked how to exert that pressure? BainsBane Mar 2014 #395

Maybe it's the way he is being asked. n/t A Simple Game Mar 2014 #400

I see BainsBane Mar 2014 #406

Because that particular talking-point is still being used. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2014 #277

expanded background checks have 93 percent support in the polls BainsBane Mar 2014 #302

Is Manny in Congress? Shouldn't you be asking what his Rep in Congress did sabrina 1 Mar 2014 #320

Single payer advocates were plentiful. They asked to be seated at the table during the JDPriestly Mar 2014 #355

What do you we do about it? BainsBane Mar 2014 #394

No, but people who figure that Democrats don't respond to their interests, their problems, their JDPriestly Mar 2014 #431

Those who don't remember history... cui bono Mar 2014 #158

Yes, well it seems the OP is a bit fuzzy on his recollection of history BainsBane Mar 2014 #289

The public option was in Obama's platform and he "touted" it during his first year as POTUS. cui bono Mar 2014 #327

I am well aware of that BainsBane Mar 2014 #396

Your memory seems rather clouded. jeff47 Mar 2014 #330

No it isn't. No one tried for the public option, let alone single-payer. cui bono Mar 2014 #333

Yes, LIEBERMAN tried for a public option. And then he killed his own proposal. jeff47 Mar 2014 #337

So killing something is trying for it? mmmkay.... n/t cui bono Mar 2014 #354

Apparently you don't understand the concept of "time" jeff47 Mar 2014 #358

I thought you hated the idea of people "silencing" each other? Bonobo Mar 2014 #175

Because that is still our goal. Right? grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #231

What could, or should Manny have done about it at the time? MNBrewer Mar 2014 #240

For anything to come about BainsBane Mar 2014 #300

I agree that single payer was never on the table passiveporcupine Mar 2014 #450

How many years? MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #422

Look, Manny, you're talking to the wrong group. And, as you know, what Americans want means nothing NYC_SKP Mar 2014 #2

we use the tools we have to organize and disorganize the oligarchs .... MindMover Mar 2014 #88

We are an O L I G A R C H Y ... MindMover Mar 2014 #3

Totally agree. Although in matters of military might and natural resources, we truedelphi Mar 2014 #218

I think you recall incorrectly. Hoyt Mar 2014 #8

Obama was green and apparently had just learned why mandates were needed. Vattel Mar 2014 #9

Obama Never Had a "Mandate" AndyTiedye Mar 2014 #47

nothing funny about an oligarchy unless you are on the inside .... looking out ...nt MindMover Mar 2014 #61

Actually I was talking about mandated health insurance Vattel Mar 2014 #100

You must confuse ours with gov't of, by and for the people. polichick Mar 2014 #10

But those "distractions" are what make all the difference. jazzimov Mar 2014 #11

and 2/3rds of Americans are not in the House..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #12

Exactly. Hoyt Mar 2014 #14

my thoughts exactly. Whisp Mar 2014 #29

Bingo! sheshe2 Mar 2014 #34

bingo nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #148

Yeah, but that kind of blunt political analysis doesn't get a bunch of recs and attention. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #257

... Richardo Mar 2014 #258

nailed it nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #266

and this is YOUR "blunt political analysis" VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #284

I believe this would be one good example of statistics and representative forms of government MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #423

And what makes you think we are doing what YOU described? You don't know that to be the case do you? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #424

Who exactly is "we" in your sentence? MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #425

whoever it is you were describing... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #427

You don't even know who I was describing... MrMickeysMom Mar 2014 #428

I don't even think you know what you were describing.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #429

They could not give us background checks after Sandy Hook nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #13

Or they didn't want to do it. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #18

if buts and ors were gold you would be rich... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #24

We HAD a majority in the House. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #27

Only until Ted Kennedy passed away... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #30

Did you know that Kennedy was a Senator, not a Congressman? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #36

Okay true...but still we only had that filibuster proof majority for about 2 months.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #37

2 months. How long did it take to pass a gargantuan banker bailout? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #43

Harry Ried HAS changed the filibuster rules....or did you miss that fact? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #51

Not back to the way it was before. nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #55

And your point is.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #58

instead of it being lubed like it is now , huh ....nt MindMover Mar 2014 #72

its not....you just like dreaming about that.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #79

should be no tax for 50,000 and under, everyone else pays more ... MindMover Mar 2014 #57

Where is the cutoff point now? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #63

and all those bleary lying eyes lining up to tell us we had to do it or else .... MindMover Mar 2014 #53

We NEVER Had a Filibuster-Proof Majority for a Public Option AndyTiedye Mar 2014 #65

EXACTLY... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #68

and we even know who and why they vote crooked ... MindMover Mar 2014 #105

Manny, you really need to stop ignoring the math. phleshdef Mar 2014 #83

"they implored LBJ not to push for civil rights in this first speech, since " MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #98

Which means absolutely nothing because the math was there for LBJ... phleshdef Mar 2014 #143

No it wasn't. That's *exactly* the point. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #145

Actually it was or it wouldn't have passed. phleshdef Mar 2014 #147

He *made* the math happen. MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #150

Well, at least you don't call him a piece of shit used car salesman who sits on the couch muttering BeyondGeography Mar 2014 #173

So, LBJ Worked Hard, Very Hard, Huh? Guess You Think Obama Isn't "Working Hard"? Then? So, He's... Skraxx Mar 2014 #183

I remember LBJ and he did know how to get things done. Mojorabbit Mar 2014 #192

I loved watching LBJ in action. The man was a bulldog , an in your face Autumn Mar 2014 #241

Wow, that post is full of dog whistle, even if you didn't mean for it to be. phleshdef Mar 2014 #194

OP has proven time and time again treestar Mar 2014 #243

LBJ sat around on the toilet..... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #201

Come off it it. LBJ was the MASTER OF THE SENATE. MADem Mar 2014 #235

100% agree nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #267

Thank you. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #271

Indeed, Johnson had incredible Senate experience. n/t PoliticAverse Mar 2014 #377

So LBJ worked hard and got shit done while Obama sits on the couch muttering Number23 Mar 2014 #362

You are exactly right. That was my first thought as well which the OP conviently overlooks Number23 Mar 2014 #364

And you are overlooking that in both cases the majorities were with them nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #367

So in agreeing with you, I am somehow "overlooking" something? Number23 Mar 2014 #368

My apologies nadinbrzezinski Mar 2014 #369

"Cherry picked"? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #374

We could have, we didn't and now we need to work our asses off to tavalon Mar 2014 #17

yeah, we need to knock on doors and get the vote out and change this country .... MindMover Mar 2014 #69

Which time? tavalon Mar 2014 #432

then they shouldn't vote for people like Bachmann, Issa , Gohmert etc to Congress JI7 Mar 2014 #19

NEWSFLASH- this is a Representative Democracy. But when your goal is to be divisive on a KittyWampus Mar 2014 #28

OK, so if two-thirds of Americans want X, then our representatives should MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #31

America does not run by referendum.....but then....you know that. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #35

If representatives don't represent us, we must fire them MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #39

We have done that and the money men just get to the new ones ... MindMover Mar 2014 #46

good luck getting the Teabaggers on board to only vote for YOUR favorite Representatives... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #54

We Tried To. A Large Majority Voted for Democrats In the House in 2012 AndyTiedye Mar 2014 #121

Well then, GOTV is the only answer. Skidmore Mar 2014 #232

It's the stupid gerrymandering thing gollygee Mar 2014 #236

AMEN ... MindMover Mar 2014 #110

Representative Democracy your arse ... nt MindMover Mar 2014 #33

Nailed it...nt SidDithers Mar 2014 #41

Nailed what .... lets go knock on some doors and get the vote out .... MindMover Mar 2014 #50

The most well-paid-for "representative democracy" in the world... bullwinkle428 Mar 2014 #242

Ugh. Don't worry kids. Tomorrow Manny will watch "I'm just a bill up on capitol hill" and will Squinch Mar 2014 #32

That is because the people do not have representation ... MindMover Mar 2014 #40

And for some "Democrats", that's perfectly OK. nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #102

toooo many have drunk the kool aid Manny, and on this board they have tooo ... MindMover Mar 2014 #104

Do you mean this one... adirondacker Mar 2014 #56

Great film! Squinch Mar 2014 #60

It's one of my favorites :) adirondacker Mar 2014 #78

Backpeddling and whistling are his specialties. After counting recs Number23 Mar 2014 #365

Last I saw, POLLS supported gun control... brooklynite Mar 2014 #38

you nailed it nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #113

get to universal HC would require more politcal courage than exists in the dem party. KG Mar 2014 #45

and your brilliant PLAN is? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #202

I am not sure that it is a step in the riversedge Mar 2014 #228

Today isn't the end of time. jeff47 Mar 2014 #334

Ok, how would they get Lieberman's vote? jeff47 Mar 2014 #340

Bill Maher did a routine about how Republicans win the word game. iandhr Mar 2014 #59

Actually, Medicare is not really single payer - - it's part government, part insurer, part Hoyt Mar 2014 #127

VA is the only real Socialized Medicine in the country... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #203

We couldn't, because we needed a super-majority to get anything through the Senate. pnwmom Mar 2014 #62

Those who opposed single payer were more motivated and better funded. Kaleva Mar 2014 #81

correct nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #118

My guess is that those who vigorously supported single payer were a small minority Kaleva Mar 2014 #124

correct again steve2470 Mar 2014 #128

system needs an upgrade that can be handled by the internet ... MindMover Mar 2014 #122

Some day in the future we may have direct voting. Kaleva Mar 2014 #126

it is coming sooner than you think ... MindMover Mar 2014 #130

how? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #205

it will start on blogs just like this .... MindMover Mar 2014 #210

We couldn't have gotten it, but it still should have been part of the discussion. DanTex Mar 2014 #84

well funded by the oligarchs .... MindMover Mar 2014 #92

What did two thirds of the .01% of the world want? They're all that matter. nt valerief Mar 2014 #89

BINGO ... and later, political winds change .... MindMover Mar 2014 #95

The ONLY time Congress is reflective of the overriding American will is.... steve2470 Mar 2014 #107

put our votes on the net ... let the whole world see it .... MindMover Mar 2014 #112

the votes of Congress or the votes of American voters ? nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #116

I say we organize an internet voting that anyone with voting rights and computer access MindMover Mar 2014 #125

it's a good idea but... steve2470 Mar 2014 #131

way to fast on the negative .... MindMover Mar 2014 #135

eh I think I'm just realistic about American apathy steve2470 Mar 2014 #137

we are apathetic for a reason ... no representation ... MindMover Mar 2014 #141

People just don't care or don't care enough... steve2470 Mar 2014 #146

now how long did that take you to type, an intelligent response reflecting your heartfelt feelings . MindMover Mar 2014 #149

Your idea is a good one...honest steve2470 Mar 2014 #152

idealism strikes again... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #206

the blog bully tries to limit discourse by contributing nothing but bullyisms ... MindMover Mar 2014 #209

Have a look at the constitution BainsBane Mar 2014 #133

I think he's proposing a feedback system steve2470 Mar 2014 #136

are you bainsman or bane .... cmon, you are not getting the picture ... MindMover Mar 2014 #140

Then you simply write a letter about each piece of legislation BainsBane Mar 2014 #292

as I have said before, money is not leaving politics ... MindMover Mar 2014 #312

The Internet massively opposed the invasion of Iraq. jeff47 Mar 2014 #342

here is a needles distraction... Raine1967 Mar 2014 #132

yes we will, Social Security wasn't built in a day nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #139

You're right. It wasn't. Raine1967 Mar 2014 #153

Yup, remember when it was a private investment mandate with a tax credit to help the poor offset TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #193

you and I will always disagree about ACA steve2470 Mar 2014 #195

No, that's not what we have to do. jeff47 Mar 2014 #346

There was more than two-thirds who wanted background checks, did it pass? Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #134

Agreed. In both cases, politicians didn't get the job done. nt MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #144

Boehner and others can yell "do what the people want", who is the people Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #155

I would question that poll treestar Mar 2014 #154

That's "2/3 of Americans"; not ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #156

It seems like lobbyists write a fair number of laws for them. GreenPartyVoter Mar 2014 #159

Indeed YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #179

True ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #244

Not at all. You were stating that it is the Congressional representives GreenPartyVoter Mar 2014 #372

The point is: Maedhros Mar 2014 #285

Did he take it off the table after one meeting with big pharma? ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #315

There are benefits to taking the initiative, framing the debate and putting one's opponents Maedhros Mar 2014 #343

Public opinion polls don't pass laws. gcomeau Mar 2014 #162

nailed it nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #166

Allowing single payer to be on the table... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #214

Nailed it. nt LWolf Mar 2014 #281

Doubtful. Lieberman killed his own public option proposal. jeff47 Mar 2014 #347

+ 100 JoePhilly Mar 2014 #387

Regardless of what Lieberman did... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #412

I'll spot you all the blue dogs except JoePhilly Mar 2014 #386

Please explain to me... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #413

That part is easy. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #433

Once again, you are unclear on the concept... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #437

Thanks for proving my point so quickly. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #440

And thanks for proving mine... ljm2002 Mar 2014 #441

Yeah, not sure why this is still so surprising to people Chathamization Mar 2014 #233

It's not because he wanted a PO: "I never campaigned on the Public Option." WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #164

This message was self-deleted by its author Richardo Mar 2014 #165

What does two-thirds of all Americans count for against Max Boughtkus? Jack Rabbit Mar 2014 #172

Public opinion means less and less nowadays YoungDemCA Mar 2014 #178

Fucking republicans...you can specifically thank gopiscrap Mar 2014 #180

Are You Truly This Simple Minded? Or Is It Disingenuous? Perhaps Both? Skraxx Mar 2014 #182

This. nt ecstatic Mar 2014 #223

nailed it nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #227

I would add deliberately divisive to that list. nt Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #230

See post 249. ProSense Mar 2014 #250

Yup Bobbie Jo Mar 2014 #297

Good questions. nt redqueen Mar 2014 #259

He's upset 3/31 is approaching and JoePhilly Mar 2014 #263

A little from Column A, but overflooding from Column B. This is all fun and games to this poster Number23 Mar 2014 #366

But...but...but...they gave us the best they could!!!1111111ELEVENS Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #184

2 Big 2 Fail vs. 2 Small 2 Matter ... Guess who ALWAYS wins in DC??? blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #185

TWO THIRDS!!!!!! OOOOH!!! AAAAH!!!! But not TWO THIRDS OF CONGRESS.... MADem Mar 2014 #190

cmon madem, the rubber has not been meeting the road for many years now .... MindMover Mar 2014 #211

70-90% of Americans (ultimately) want peace, gun control, HSR, Medicare for all, MisterP Mar 2014 #191

And Two Thirds (AT&T) of Congre$$ where against it. Amonester Mar 2014 #212

You know politicians. moondust Mar 2014 #213

Yeah, and Kucinich was "unelectable" so we went with the black guy with the Arab name. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #215

Kick. Kurovski Mar 2014 #216

or he could have just tried harder to win , after all elizabeth warren won JI7 Mar 2014 #217

President Elizabeth Warren. Yeah, that was awesome.I loved it when Patti Smith sang at her inaugural Kurovski Mar 2014 #220

he lost his last election which was a congressional primary JI7 Mar 2014 #222

Hurray for redistricting! Kurovski Mar 2014 #373

Kucinich supported the Redistricting plan , but the district he ran in was still Dem JI7 Mar 2014 #375

They would have insisted on a wife swapping party. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #306

Why couldn't HE get more support given Manny's polls? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #314

It's the POLICY of the US to support CAPITALISM no matter which party is in power.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2014 #393

We have the best government corporations can buy. The majority of people want marijuana B Calm Mar 2014 #224

For the 2014 election and the 2016 election all Democratic candidates should Enthusiast Mar 2014 #225

Certainly a hit in all the Gerrymandered Republican districts... brooklynite Mar 2014 #237

But Manny, you know people don't vote that way n2doc Mar 2014 #226

"But we couldn't *possibly* have gotten single payer!" DeSwiss Mar 2014 #229

Rec'd in part because of attempts to attack the messenger (nt) Babel_17 Mar 2014 #238

The messanger needs to take a civics class. nt JoePhilly Mar 2014 #316

K & R, Manny. Single payer is going to come because it's the only thing mother earth Mar 2014 #245

How many support raising taxes on the 1%? How likely is that to happen? Adrahil Mar 2014 #246

You, um, realize we don't actually pass laws by referendum, right? Recursion Mar 2014 #247

Congress can't do shit unless the obstructionists stop obstructing. randome Mar 2014 #248

The point is manufactured outrage. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #265

Yeah, I'm not sure how no one gets this. Arkana Mar 2014 #288

The point is Congress is supposed to work for the people. Remember that? polichick Mar 2014 #296

Is it? The House is, I guess. The Senate is supposed to work for the States Recursion Mar 2014 #409

Uh... we should be thanking *Bernie Sanders and Ron Wyden* for single payer in America. ProSense Mar 2014 #249

If you have 10 fingers, i demand that you play Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto #3 by lunch. yodermon Mar 2014 #251

If I run for the office of Concert Pianist at the BSO, and claim I'm the greatest pianist available MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #254

Remember Medicare Vouchers? HockeyMom Mar 2014 #253

It's true, republicans are so bad rock Mar 2014 #255

If Gallup polls decided our laws, a lot of Progressive dog Mar 2014 #264

Also, Mitt Romney would be President right now. Arkana Mar 2014 #269

You have a very naive understanding of how people in Washington think. Arkana Mar 2014 #268

"turn the will of two-thirds of Americans into law" Babel_17 Mar 2014 #270

Big Monied Interests and Folks in Government Who Lack the Guts fascisthunter Mar 2014 #272

DURec leftstreet Mar 2014 #274

%66.6 is not greater than %1.0 in the Corporate Representive Republic (n/t) harun Mar 2014 #275

too simplistic. the left allows 1200 rw radio stations to yell over that majority certainot Mar 2014 #279

we are a managed "democracy'. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #280

Exactly. A "democracy" not at all - sooner we get that, the better. polichick Mar 2014 #299

When Was The Plebiscite? ProfessorGAC Mar 2014 #282

Two thirds or more also want some gun control. Lot of good that did us! Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #283

I think you have our form of government confused with a social democracy. Rex Mar 2014 #290

The companies know what's best for the rest! 99% Austerity Baby, and good times for all! nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #303

That shows the power of lobbyists and big money in politics ErikJ Mar 2014 #293

We could have given it that college try... lame54 Mar 2014 #295

Perhaps that would have resulted in same place Rilgin Mar 2014 #308

The ACA passed - that's a fact... lame54 Mar 2014 #371

Not following thread Rilgin Mar 2014 #426

Nice ramble... lame54 Mar 2014 #439

Look at the tile of this Thread Rilgin Mar 2014 #448

Correct. We couldn't. Orsino Mar 2014 #309

The insurance companies ran that show. Mojo Electro Mar 2014 #310

i thik your polling source is suspect crimeariver1225 Mar 2014 #318

As you well know, the government serves at the exclusive pleasure of the 1%, Zorra Mar 2014 #323

Unless you explain how you get Lieberman to vote for it, you don't have a point. jeff47 Mar 2014 #326

... the corporate overlords chuckle at what the "people" want Arugula Latte Mar 2014 #331

Hit that one out of the park, Manny! Excellent OP. Divernan Mar 2014 #341

OP: "Including, IIRC, more than half of Republicans." ProSense Mar 2014 #350

Another highly manipulative post from you Yavin4 Mar 2014 #349

It was *many* poll results. Did you click the link? MannyGoldstein Mar 2014 #376

How many polls support tighter gun legislation? Yavin4 Mar 2014 #378

Sanders: Single Payer Never Had A Chance (2010) ProSense Mar 2014 #356

Check out this great post from David Swanson, Dec-24-08 11:18 AM Zorra Mar 2014 #370

I read it. David Swanson did a lot of whining. The first person to respond at least had a solution Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #383

I didn't see anything about a third party in that post. What I saw was accurate analysis Zorra Mar 2014 #389

I have noticed one thing about the anti-Obama, so-called libs. They sit on their fat asses and do Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #403

You mean, like David Swanson? Zorra Mar 2014 #410

That's Swanson's career. It's how he puts food on his table, how he buys his suits, how he pays for Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #436

Start explaining how you would've gotten single-payer if you'd been president. I await impatiently Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #379

1/3 of the Senate and the entire house is up for re-election this year IronLionZion Mar 2014 #388

C'mon...everyone knows Elizabeth Warren could have won in Arkansas...Alaska...Louisiana...Montana brooklynite Mar 2014 #405

Fox News leads our bubble MSM underpants Mar 2014 #404

Which made single payer a good starting point mvd Mar 2014 #430

80% want complete background checks for gun sales krawhitham Mar 2014 #446

Kick woo me with science Mar 2014 #454

We CAN Have a Public Option -- at the State or County Level AndyTiedye Apr 2014 #455