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JoePhilly

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25. Just take out the part where he says he opposed the Iraq war ...

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:12 PM

Mar 2014

... or that we left Iraq after he became President allowing the Iraqis to figure out what to do next.

Just remove those parts, and again, its clear ... he thought that the Iraq war was an awesome idea.

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You have to understand the President has an extremely fine line to walk regarding Russia. [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 OP

Thanks for this Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #1

Shush ... you are ruining perfectly good manufactured outrage. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #2

that's a beautiful straw man you made there.... mike_c Mar 2014 #5

I collected the straw from all of the angry anti-Obama OPs on this topic. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #6

Holy gee, that much straw? riqster Mar 2014 #13

There's so much, they could build a strawman army, and retake the Crimea. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #15

Because all the world is Meta and every thread is about other DUers. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #18

For some on DU, the world is absolutely meta. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #39

I agree that he's in a tough spot, but he did not advance his own cause very well cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #3

It may not have been the smartest way to put it treestar Mar 2014 #36

Exactly. There was no reason for HIM to own or morningfog Mar 2014 #40

Apparently even the Europeans didn't buy it. go west young man Mar 2014 #42

you presuppose that it's our job to respond or play some role in events.... mike_c Mar 2014 #4

When the US, Russia and Ukraine are signators to a treaty.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #7

Instability in Ukraine gives the Russians Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #9

The fact Russia has long felt a need for leeway in Ukraine.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #11

I was unaware of that treaty, thanks for enlightening me. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #49

You're very welcome. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #51

It's unfortunate we have been reinventing the wheel here on this matter. That clears the air. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #52

And I thank you for telling your interest in this issue and giving good information. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #53

This is a dangerous mindset and a wrong Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #8

See, I don't see what the President doing as "defending" Iraq. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #10

I don't see how that is a winning argument Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #17

But the only remaining choice is to acquiese to the "But....Iraq!" argument. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #21

+1 JoePhilly Mar 2014 #26

Just take out the part where he says he opposed the Iraq war ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #25

Pretty much. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #30

Well said. And just to add... DanTex Mar 2014 #12

You do understand that his speech is filled with Hypocrisy in eyes of KoKo Mar 2014 #14

So when he said he opposed the Iraq war, he actually meant he supported it, right? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #16

Sometimes the truth can be very healing. I think a dose of truth here Autumn Mar 2014 #20

That is the best contrary argument I've heard so far. nilesobek Mar 2014 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Mar 2014 #33

Even if the President was arguing that though he disagreed with invading Iraq Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #19

In that case, Germany would have no ability to speak out about anything. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #22

I do not object to the President speaking against the invasion of Crimea - I don't think many people Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #24

Exactly this. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #23

It's a big old Catch 22 awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #28

True true. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #29

Bump. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #31

These lone voices of sanity are truly the only JaneyVee Mar 2014 #32

Tell me about it. This is a gem. And honestly, I've been all over the map on this. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #50

Yes, unfortunately for many the obvious must be restated HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #34

I completely understand where the statement is coming from, diplomatically. Marr Mar 2014 #35

here's my take on the President's speech steve2470 Mar 2014 #37

Well said. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #46

thanks ! nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #47

So much better than Crimea ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #38

There are different kinds of bad in this world. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #45

I Suspect, Sir, He Just Loves The Pretty Pretty Flames.... The Magistrate Mar 2014 #55

Great post and very informative thread responses. You have nailed the realistic tack R B Garr Mar 2014 #41

You're right--we are paying the price of refusing to prosecute war criminals. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #43

Many are able to distinquish the US under Pres Obama from Cha Mar 2014 #44

"Reign of terror" = terrorism Fumesucker Mar 2014 #48

He only has to be careful, because he's not allowed to tell us that we instigated the coup in Ukrain reformist2 Mar 2014 #54