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nilesobek

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27. That is the best contrary argument I've heard so far.

Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:24 PM

Mar 2014

The President is extremely likable and has done many great things. I just think he's overwhelmed by the MIC. You can say things you really believe in a campaign but when the rubber meets the road after the inauguration, things changed. He's still the best President in my lifetime (50).

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You have to understand the President has an extremely fine line to walk regarding Russia. [View all] Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 OP

Thanks for this Blue_Tires Mar 2014 #1

Shush ... you are ruining perfectly good manufactured outrage. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #2

that's a beautiful straw man you made there.... mike_c Mar 2014 #5

I collected the straw from all of the angry anti-Obama OPs on this topic. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #6

Holy gee, that much straw? riqster Mar 2014 #13

There's so much, they could build a strawman army, and retake the Crimea. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #15

Because all the world is Meta and every thread is about other DUers. Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #18

For some on DU, the world is absolutely meta. JoePhilly Mar 2014 #39

I agree that he's in a tough spot, but he did not advance his own cause very well cthulu2016 Mar 2014 #3

It may not have been the smartest way to put it treestar Mar 2014 #36

Exactly. There was no reason for HIM to own or morningfog Mar 2014 #40

Apparently even the Europeans didn't buy it. go west young man Mar 2014 #42

you presuppose that it's our job to respond or play some role in events.... mike_c Mar 2014 #4

When the US, Russia and Ukraine are signators to a treaty.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #7

Instability in Ukraine gives the Russians Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #9

The fact Russia has long felt a need for leeway in Ukraine.... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #11

I was unaware of that treaty, thanks for enlightening me. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #49

You're very welcome. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #51

It's unfortunate we have been reinventing the wheel here on this matter. That clears the air. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #52

And I thank you for telling your interest in this issue and giving good information. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #53

This is a dangerous mindset and a wrong Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #8

See, I don't see what the President doing as "defending" Iraq. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #10

I don't see how that is a winning argument Harmony Blue Mar 2014 #17

But the only remaining choice is to acquiese to the "But....Iraq!" argument. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #21

+1 JoePhilly Mar 2014 #26

Just take out the part where he says he opposed the Iraq war ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #25

Pretty much. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #30

Well said. And just to add... DanTex Mar 2014 #12

You do understand that his speech is filled with Hypocrisy in eyes of KoKo Mar 2014 #14

So when he said he opposed the Iraq war, he actually meant he supported it, right? JoePhilly Mar 2014 #16

Sometimes the truth can be very healing. I think a dose of truth here Autumn Mar 2014 #20

That is the best contrary argument I've heard so far. nilesobek Mar 2014 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Mar 2014 #33

Even if the President was arguing that though he disagreed with invading Iraq Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #19

In that case, Germany would have no ability to speak out about anything. Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #22

I do not object to the President speaking against the invasion of Crimea - I don't think many people Douglas Carpenter Mar 2014 #24

Exactly this. n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2014 #23

It's a big old Catch 22 awoke_in_2003 Mar 2014 #28

True true. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #29

Bump. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #31

These lone voices of sanity are truly the only JaneyVee Mar 2014 #32

Tell me about it. This is a gem. And honestly, I've been all over the map on this. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #50

Yes, unfortunately for many the obvious must be restated HereSince1628 Mar 2014 #34

I completely understand where the statement is coming from, diplomatically. Marr Mar 2014 #35

here's my take on the President's speech steve2470 Mar 2014 #37

Well said. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #46

thanks ! nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #47

So much better than Crimea ... GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #38

There are different kinds of bad in this world. nt Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #45

I Suspect, Sir, He Just Loves The Pretty Pretty Flames.... The Magistrate Mar 2014 #55

Great post and very informative thread responses. You have nailed the realistic tack R B Garr Mar 2014 #41

You're right--we are paying the price of refusing to prosecute war criminals. DisgustipatedinCA Mar 2014 #43

Many are able to distinquish the US under Pres Obama from Cha Mar 2014 #44

"Reign of terror" = terrorism Fumesucker Mar 2014 #48

He only has to be careful, because he's not allowed to tell us that we instigated the coup in Ukrain reformist2 Mar 2014 #54