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ljm2002

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75. re: the motivation being personal...

Wed Apr 2, 2014, 04:02 AM

Apr 2014

...and the torturers deriving some kind of sick pleasure from it: you are so right, and that is but one of many reasons why torture must never be tolerated as a matter of policy. Because if the state is to inflict torture, it must use people to perform the actions; and the people who are willing to do that, are not people you want to be encouraging in their proclivities. These people will be among us, and they enjoy committing acts of torture. Why would anyone think that is a good idea?

Of course, there are many other reasons too. One, it is possible to have arrested the wrong person. Similarly to the death penalty -- what a horror to consider being tortured and/or killed when one is innocent? Two, it has been shown that torture is not the most effective way to gather information from an enemy, and in fact, torture will motivate the person being tortured to say anything at all in order to stop being tortured. Three, it is immoral and wrong and bad, which should be reason enough IMO.

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CIA TORTURE: It Was Worse Than Anyone Knew [View all] grahamhgreen Apr 2014 OP

But...but...we must look ahead. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2014 #1

Past tense? 1000words Apr 2014 #2

Maybe not stopped RobertEarl Apr 2014 #6

Isn't any torture an "overreach?" 1000words Apr 2014 #10

Yes it is RobertEarl Apr 2014 #11

RobertEarl: "Obama has wound it down" delrem Apr 2014 #22

In my view, prosecuting torture is looking forward. We're all looking forward to it! grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #32

Excuse me, but rendition is still happening and rendition = torture. grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #20

Gitmo is still open RobertEarl Apr 2014 #21

Gitmo is still open because neocons still rule. delrem Apr 2014 #23

This is nonsense. ProSense Apr 2014 #31

Google it. nt delrem Apr 2014 #33

I don't have to. n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #34

Well, if you wish to remain ignorant... delrem Apr 2014 #37

Interestingly, ProSense Apr 2014 #41

Just... (expletives deleted) GOOGLE IT! shee. nt delrem Apr 2014 #42

Upset that you're misinformed? n/t ProSense Apr 2014 #46

oh my lord. So now I've met ProSense. delrem Apr 2014 #47

I wish you hadn't ProSense Apr 2014 #49

Well then, can we agree to fuckin well avoid each other in future, ProSense? delrem Apr 2014 #50

You can always put him on ignore, Raksha Apr 2014 #59

Nah. I have only one person on ignore, delrem Apr 2014 #62

Just ignore her lark Apr 2014 #91

Nailed It. bvar22 Apr 2014 #92

First, you will agree that rendition = kidnapping, right? grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #35

Just a guess but I think you're in for a word salad of parsing delrem Apr 2014 #38

LOL. Pro is coming along, slowly:-) grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #44

LOL! The information you posted has nothing to do with my point. ProSense Apr 2014 #48

Oh, you don't realize that Obama continued the policy! Here: grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #55

LOL! I understand ProSense Apr 2014 #56

Oops, here's the link. Are you for torture or against it? grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #61

Dont you know the rules? You cant ask them if they are for or against any issue. nm rhett o rick Apr 2014 #85

That's what makes me sure it's a think tank:-) grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #88

The link has been provided ... I'm hoping you have an actual retort beyond that ... brett_jv Apr 2014 #74

Well, ProSense Apr 2014 #79

It's time for you to say, "I'm against torture", then we can work as a team to eradicate it:-) grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #86

OMFG the irony! laundry_queen Apr 2014 #72

Obama is complicit in that his Justice Department has not punished anyone for torturing JDPriestly Apr 2014 #24

And they won't punish anyone for it. progressoid Apr 2014 #29

That is the ugly truth RobertEarl Apr 2014 #63

It may be too late. JDPriestly Apr 2014 #65

Confirms what I already knew. That this was not about terrorism. GoneFishin Apr 2014 #3

The purpose is to impose a state of terror. delrem Apr 2014 #25

Which is the very definition of "terrorism." n/t Raksha Apr 2014 #57

re: the motivation being personal... ljm2002 Apr 2014 #75

that is correct nt G_j Apr 2014 #4

Report: CIA deceived on torture ProSense Apr 2014 #5

Anybody who isn’t sickened by this needs to take very long, very deep look into their souls.” Bandit Apr 2014 #9

Let's just give them a pass. nt Demo_Chris Apr 2014 #7

"Torture should always be prosecuted. Not prosecuting makes one complicit in the torture, right?" woo me with science Apr 2014 #8

Yes it does. Therefore Obama is complicit in torture. Raksha Apr 2014 #60

Looking forward is an ethical travesty, a sham, and a mockery. It's a Travisshamockery! TheKentuckian Apr 2014 #12

DUzy! MsLeopard Apr 2014 #16

Nah, let's just preach to other countries about morals while we have torture camps Corruption Inc Apr 2014 #13

cheney knew. spanone Apr 2014 #14

Cheney probably had a closed-circuit TV feed Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #19

Veep Peep Show Octafish Apr 2014 #39

Thanks Octafish.., so Cheney's fire didn't burn all the evidence after all. n/t 2banon Apr 2014 #66

Who needs fire when you control the mass media? Octafish Apr 2014 #80

You're so right about the media, wonder why Cheney even bother setting the fire 2banon Apr 2014 #83

Yep underpants Apr 2014 #43

"CHEENEE knew." Shrub, Rums, all knew. CIA didn't "deceive" anybody, was carrying out policy UTUSN Apr 2014 #51

It's sickening to me to know that my country now tortures like it's the norm. Lint Head Apr 2014 #15

Torture is a stain on the American fabric that can only be cleansed by prosecuting the torturers. Scuba Apr 2014 #17

K&R Solly Mack Apr 2014 #18

Kicked and recommended In_The_Wind Apr 2014 #26

k&r Soylent Brice Apr 2014 #27

Is there a statute of limitations on torture? blackspade Apr 2014 #28

The war crimes act has no statute of limitations. Vattel Apr 2014 #30

Very good. blackspade Apr 2014 #36

Thanks for that link! Very informational:) grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #68

The longer that fuck is allowed to roam free is the less repercussions he faces. 2banon Apr 2014 #67

Henry Kissinger says, "hello." 1000words Apr 2014 #69

Rofl! Case in Point! n/t 2banon Apr 2014 #71

True. blackspade Apr 2014 #78

In our dreams.. 2banon Apr 2014 #84

We have a duty to prosecute torture hootinholler Apr 2014 #40

Making a good start on health care for all is really an achievement, and the President amandabeech Apr 2014 #45

Insurance 1000words Apr 2014 #52

Never forget that Condesleeza gave the go ahead for this human rights violation. Dawson Leery Apr 2014 #53

THIS - Torture should always be prosecuted. malaise Apr 2014 #54

K & R Raksha Apr 2014 #58

MUST. LOOK. FORWARD. blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #64

Look forward... to prosecutions for war crimes! grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #70

The CIA should be renamed polynomial Apr 2014 #73

Cheney and the rest could have gotten better intelligence without torture. Enthusiast Apr 2014 #76

Not only that, real intel just might lead back to them. grahamhgreen Apr 2014 #89

Yes. They were looking for specific "intelligence". Enthusiast Apr 2014 #90

But, But - We Should Never Look Back cantbeserious Apr 2014 #77

Your title is wrong TNNurse Apr 2014 #81

K&R for pissing off all the right douchebags bobduca Apr 2014 #82

Excellent post! Thanks. LuvNewcastle Apr 2014 #87