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In reply to the discussion: Secret military device lets Oakland (Michigan) deputies track cellphones [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)10. And in my town, next to Detroit, we're cutting EMT jobs. Cops are next on to go.
Thank Moon for this labor saving technology.
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10 NSA Myths Debunked
By Peter Van Buren
Tom Dispatch, Jan. 12, 2014
The debate Edward Snowden envisioned when he revealed the extent of National Security Agency (NSA) spying on Americans has taken a bad turn. Instead of a careful examination of what the NSA does, the legality of its actions, what risks it takes for what gains, and how effective the agency has been in its stated mission of protecting Americans, we increasingly have government officials or retired versions of the same demanding -- quite literally -- Snowdens head and engaging in the usual fear-mongering over 9/11. They have been aided by a chorus of pundits, columnists, and present as well as former officials offering bumper-sticker slogans like "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear," all the while claiming our freedom is in direct conflict with our security.
Its time to face these arguments directly. So here are ten myths about NSA surveillance that need debunking. Let's sort them out.
1) NSA surveillance is legal.
True, if perhaps you put legal in quotes. After all, so was slavery once upon a time in the U.S. and apartheid in South Africa. Laws represent what a government and sometimes perhaps even a majority of the people want at a given point in time. They change and are changeable; what once was a potential felony in Colorado is now a tourist draw.
Laws, manipulated for terrible ends, must be challenged when they come into conflict with the fundamental principles and morals of a free society. Laws created Nelson Mandela, the terrorist (whom the U.S. kept on its terror watch list until 2008), and laws created Nelson Mandela, the president.
Theres a catch in the issue of legality and the NSA. Few of us can know just what the law is. What happens to you if you shoplift from a store or murder someone in a bar fight? The consequences of such actions are clearly codified and you can look them up. Is it legal to park over there? The rules are on a sign posted right where you'd like to pull in. If a cop tickets you wrongly, you can go to court and use that sign to defend yourself. Yet almost all of the applicable law, when it comes to the National Security Agency and its surveillance practices, was secret until Edward Snowden began releasing his documents. Secret interpretations of the shady Patriot Act made in a secret court applied. The fact that an unknown number of legal memos and interpretations of that secret law (themselves still classified) are operative means that we really dont know what is legal anymore.
The panel of experts appointed by President Obama to review the Snowden revelations and the NSAs actions had a peek into the issue of legality and promptly raised serious questions -- as did one of the two federal courts that recently ruled on some aspects of the issue. If the Obama administration and the Justice Department really believe that all the NSA's activities will be proven legal in a court of law, why not allow them to be tested openly and unambiguously in public? After all, if you've done nothing illegal, then theres nothing to hide.
When Amnesty International first tried to bring such a question before the courts, the case was denied because that organization couldnt prove that it had been subject to monitoring -- that was a secret, of course! -- and so was denied standing even to bring the suit. Snowden's revelations seem to have changed all that. The documents made public have given standing to a staggering array of individuals, organizations, and countries. For the first time in 12 years, they pave the way for the issue to come to its proper venue in front of the Supremes. Openly. Publicly.
CONTINUED...
http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/175792/tomgram%3A_peter_van_buren,_we_have_to_destroy_our_constitution_to_save_it/
Another great labor camp saving device, brought to you by the Prisons Without Walls Department at Homeland Security.
PS: Thank you for the heads-up, Ichingcarpenter! There's no stopping a good idea getting the scrutinizing it deserves these days.
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Secret military device lets Oakland (Michigan) deputies track cellphones [View all]
Octafish
Apr 2014
OP
Well you didn't used to be able to just set up a net and catch everything that goes through.
Autumn
Apr 2014
#3
Just as they used the veil of "terrorism" to spend money on war contracts, now it's generic "crime"
NightWatcher
Apr 2014
#8
And in my town, next to Detroit, we're cutting EMT jobs. Cops are next on to go.
Octafish
Apr 2014
#10