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In reply to the discussion: Anyone else find equating pets and animals with humans to be rather strange? [View all]Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)217. The one absolutely unselfish friend that man can have in this selfish world,
        George Graham Vest (1830-1904) served as U.S. Senator from Missouri from 1879 to 1903 and became one of the leading orators and debaters of his time. This delightful speech is from an earlier period in his life when he practiced law in a small Missouri town. It was given in court while representing a man who sued another for the killing of his dog. During the trial, Vest ignored the testimony, and when his turn came to present a summation to the jury, he made the following speech and won the case.
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Gentlemen of the Jury: The best friend a man has in the world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter that he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us, those whom we trust with our happiness and our good name may become traitors to their faith. The money that a man has, he may lose. It flies away from him, perhaps when he needs it most. A man's reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us, may be the first to throw the stone of malice when failure settles its cloud upon our heads.
The one absolutely unselfish friend that man can have in this selfish world, the one that never deserts him, the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous is his dog. A man's dog stands by him in prosperity and in poverty, in health and in sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground, where the wintry winds blow and the snow drives fiercely, if only he may be near his master's side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer. He will lick the wounds and sores that come in encounters with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings, and reputation falls to pieces, he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens.
If fortune drives the master forth, an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful dog asks no higher privilege than that of accompanying him, to guard him against danger, to fight against his enemies. And when the last scene of all comes, and death takes his master in its embrace and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by the graveside will the noble dog be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad, but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even in death. - George Graham Vest 1855
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Gentlemen of the Jury: The best friend a man has in the world may turn against him and become his enemy. His son or daughter that he has reared with loving care may prove ungrateful. Those who are nearest and dearest to us, those whom we trust with our happiness and our good name may become traitors to their faith. The money that a man has, he may lose. It flies away from him, perhaps when he needs it most. A man's reputation may be sacrificed in a moment of ill-considered action. The people who are prone to fall on their knees to do us honor when success is with us, may be the first to throw the stone of malice when failure settles its cloud upon our heads.
The one absolutely unselfish friend that man can have in this selfish world, the one that never deserts him, the one that never proves ungrateful or treacherous is his dog. A man's dog stands by him in prosperity and in poverty, in health and in sickness. He will sleep on the cold ground, where the wintry winds blow and the snow drives fiercely, if only he may be near his master's side. He will kiss the hand that has no food to offer. He will lick the wounds and sores that come in encounters with the roughness of the world. He guards the sleep of his pauper master as if he were a prince. When all other friends desert, he remains. When riches take wings, and reputation falls to pieces, he is as constant in his love as the sun in its journey through the heavens.
If fortune drives the master forth, an outcast in the world, friendless and homeless, the faithful dog asks no higher privilege than that of accompanying him, to guard him against danger, to fight against his enemies. And when the last scene of all comes, and death takes his master in its embrace and his body is laid away in the cold ground, no matter if all other friends pursue their way, there by the graveside will the noble dog be found, his head between his paws, his eyes sad, but open in alert watchfulness, faithful and true even in death. - George Graham Vest 1855
http://www.historyplace.com/speeches/vest.htm
"If dogs don't go to heaven. When I die, I want to go to wherever it is that they do go." - Will Rogers
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                        Anyone else find equating pets and animals with humans to be rather strange? [View all]
							quinnox
							Apr 2014
							OP
                        
        
        Yeah, but then PETA also protested Manhattan's attempt to get rid of rats.
        Warren DeMontague
        Apr 2014
        #4
      
        
        And that law is part of the gradual recognition that "rights" are not exclusive to humans.
        Warren Stupidity
        Apr 2014
        #54
      
        
        I think they should have legal protections, but that's not quite the same thing as rights.
        Donald Ian Rankin
        Apr 2014
        #19
      
        
        The difference between human and animal intelligence is massive and qualitative.
        Donald Ian Rankin
        Apr 2014
        #131
      
        
        I agree animals should not be subject to cruelty. But to me, that is just practicing good morals
        quinnox
        Apr 2014
        #56
      
        
        We are all "animals" and it sure the hell isn't non-human species destroying the planet...
        hlthe2b
        Apr 2014
        #12
      
        
        How silly to say that.  None of us knows with any certainty that we would "step in" AT ALL...
        hlthe2b
        Apr 2014
        #98
      
        
        Ahh, another climate change denier responding to the "dog" whistle (pun intended)
        hlthe2b
        Apr 2014
        #97
      
        
        and THAT is not destroying the earth as YOU know it?  Really?  Reallly?  REALLY?????!
        hlthe2b
        Apr 2014
        #213
      
        
        Nor am I, but I don't find it difficult to give a damn about the future of those who come after me.
        hlthe2b
        Apr 2014
        #231
      
        
        Humans demise is that they "think they are above animals and nature" and it is that "separation or
        glinda
        Apr 2014
        #124
      
        
        I lost my dog in early February so I'm so sorry for what yr going through...
        Violet_Crumble
        Apr 2014
        #137
      
        
        Thing is, Fido might be drowning because he was attempting to save that child in the first place...
        haele
        Apr 2014
        #55
      
        
        There are people on DU right now who campaign to put my dog to death for the way she looks.
        baldguy
        Apr 2014
        #96
      
        
        posts like this are part of the reason why i'd save my drowning cat over most people.
        dionysus
        Apr 2014
        #106
      
        
        I find the hypothetical to be too unrealistic to create such a choice in my head...
        Humanist_Activist
        Apr 2014
        #189
      
        
        The problem is that, in real life, there is no way to figure out if death is 100% certain...
        Humanist_Activist
        Apr 2014
        #195
      
        
        When you're given a math problem, are you only able to solve it in terms of tangible objects?
        Orrex
        Apr 2014
        #209
      
        
        The assumptions I'm talking about are things such as "a dog is much better at swimming than a child"
        Humanist_Activist
        Apr 2014
        #212
      
        
        But if it is set aside, then I don't find the thought experiment useful...
        Humanist_Activist
        Apr 2014
        #219
      
        
        Biologically speaking, we are geared to save what's genetically closer.
        RedCappedBandit
        Apr 2014
        #145
      
        
        My dog would rescue the 'drowning' human, child or adult. Doubt I'd notice a drowning child.
        Sunlei
        Apr 2014
        #158
      
        
        False dichotomy, unless there is something seriously wrong with your dog...
        Humanist_Activist
        Apr 2014
        #186
      
        
        No.  And Having That View and Equating With PETA Isn't A Logical Conclusion
        ProfessorGAC
        Apr 2014
        #188
      
        
        I used to think that humans were the most advanced life form on the planet...
        jmondine
        Apr 2014
        #199
      
        
        Humanity is about to shit in it's nest to the point it will no longer support us,
        CrispyQ
        Apr 2014
        #204
      
        
        well responsible parents are not expected to have their male children neutered
        Douglas Carpenter
        Apr 2014
        #215
      
        
        um, no.  why is it a contest?  people who are very anti-animal rights have some serious personality
        TheFrenchRazor
        Apr 2014
        #216
      
        
        The one absolutely unselfish friend that man can have in this selfish world,
        Douglas Carpenter
        Apr 2014
        #217
      
        
        no. My husband's guide dog saved his life. I'd say he was probably better than some humans.
        liberal_at_heart
        Apr 2014
        #225
      
        
        Anyone else find this question just an attempt to bait people into bashing PETA?
        pragmatic_dem
        Apr 2014
        #228
      
  