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In reply to the discussion: I'm sorry, guys. I can't get past her vote for the Iraq "war". [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)43. Her comments about Gaddafi got to me.
"We came. We saw. He died." Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Moammar Gaddafi.
That's how they talk in "Goodfallahs" or "Gangster Squad." It's not the mindset I prefer in the company I keep or the people I vote for.
For all his despotic failings, Gaddafi, unlike King Abdullah, actually got around to using his nation's oil wealth to make life better for the average Libyan and for many people in neighboring nations -- some of the "poorest" places on the planet.
What's real Democracy? Using the nation's treasures for all or leaving it to Sam Walton's heirs to share? The mere mention of the word 'Walmart' should send them to the Vomitorium. Ah. Vomitoria.
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No not everyone did....and MOST Americans were convinced Iraq was involved AND had
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#53
Oh many of us remember the 'environment' quite well, which is why we hold those people went along
PoliticAverse
Apr 2014
#59
So ALL your fellow Americans that DID want revenge? That demanded it....
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#140
and that goes for you too....IF YOU know so much better.....why don't YOU run?
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#143
Oh she KNEW better -- but it wasn't politically expedient for her to stand up and say so.
Arugula Latte
Apr 2014
#297
I agree with you that THAT war was an atrocity...BUT Hillary Clinton and other Democrats
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#305
9-11 was NOT given as an official explanation to Congress re: Iraq -- it was the
Arugula Latte
Apr 2014
#312
Since you are SOOOO much smarter than our politicians.....why don't YOU run for office
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#142
No it isn't...If you are going to demand better candidates...and YOU HATE
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#260
this is beyond critical....this is downright dismissal of one of the most electable
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#308
You cannot JUST hold that vote against ONE of them then....that is hypocritical...
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#326
Unfortunately the media didn't do its job .. those that spoke out .. were shamed and >
YOHABLO
Apr 2014
#137
Then those who have such good instincts.....and are demanding better candidates....
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#145
My alternative plan to invading Iraq and shock & aweing Iraqis to death was: Don't invade!
Arugula Latte
Apr 2014
#339
Bob Kerrey, Evan Bayh, Lieberman were on the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq
deutsey
Apr 2014
#158
This is the heart of the matter. Do we want our government to run by and for the benefit of the001%
Vincardog
Apr 2014
#207
I knew it was BS too. The first time I heard Bush babble the name "IRAQ" I knew he was pulling
GoneFishin
Apr 2014
#84
of course it was - and many many of us knew it - I left the D party within an hour of that shameful
DrDan
Apr 2014
#147
Very Vanilla selective memory. Strange for an "underground" participant and NOT Progressive at ALL.
PassingFair
Apr 2014
#309
I was in rapt attention precisely because I was fascinated by the entire
ChisolmTrailDem
Apr 2014
#50
There is way too much revisionist history on this from those who want to criticize Democrats
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#176
Poland is separate from the UN Security Council vote. The whole "New Europe" vs "Old Europe"
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#285
Bob Graham chaired the intelligence committee, he looked at the classified "evidence" and voted no
Hippo_Tron
Apr 2014
#240
Much of the Sen intelligence committee voted Yea, because the evidence was equivocal either way
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#278
So it's okay to hand absolute war powers over to man hell bent on an invasion...
Hippo_Tron
Apr 2014
#335
They werent absolute in any sense of the word. Limited to Iraq and contingent on conditions that
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#337
Enlighten me, what conditions demanded by the IWR were not present at the time of the invasion?
Hippo_Tron
Apr 2014
#341
I read your article, I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding about how war powers work
Hippo_Tron
Apr 2014
#345
I didnt say 1441 did. And neither condition of IWR was met and demonstrably so.
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#348
Again, presidential finding means the president can find whatever the hell he wants...
Hippo_Tron
Apr 2014
#349
No matter how many times you repeat incorrect information, it will not make it right.
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#350
Thanks but I got a message that the video no longer exists. Thanks again for the information.
JDPriestly
Apr 2014
#206
"I guess you have to ask yourself, would you prefer a republican in the WH."
Martin Eden
Apr 2014
#221
Anyone who fell for Bush's lies when most sentient people KNEW they were lying, is likely to make
sabrina 1
Apr 2014
#290
No, it's not. Not voting, or voting 3rd party, deprives both establishment parties a vote.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2014
#231
She is not the Savior and hero the Lefty of the Leftiest are looking for....
VanillaRhapsody
Apr 2014
#35
Or maybe people just have no intention of forgetting that horrible lapse of judgment
Hissyspit
Apr 2014
#67
Either she was playing 3rd Way"pragmatic" politics or too stupid to realize Bush was lying.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2014
#30
Agreed. It's insidiously divisive too. I think there would be negligible support for NSA spying,
GoneFishin
Apr 2014
#92
Barbara Bush gushes about Bill Clinton, says he treats George H. W. Bush like a father
Generic Other
Apr 2014
#173
I always vote. I vote for the most progressive candidate on the ballot.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Apr 2014
#232
"I'm always proud of Wal-Mart and what we do and the way we do it better than anybody else"
krawhitham
Apr 2014
#275
It's a fool's mission to act as if she is our only alternative to a Republican.
PassingFair
Apr 2014
#320
In the aggregate, certainly the OPs vote is meaningless as to whether she wins or loses..
brooklynite
Apr 2014
#139
I don't think she wanted war. to me, her crime was believing Bush and
Laura PourMeADrink
Apr 2014
#66
Are you seriously trying to conflate objections to votes for the Iraq War Resolution
Maedhros
Apr 2014
#79
Exactly. not just 'many' members of the UN, 15-0 vote in the Security council on
stevenleser
Apr 2014
#294
Disgustingly absurd comparison. Shameless. Brainless. Fucking way lame and desperate.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#129
Nope, you are the one who made the comparison not me. My assessment of said comparison
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#272
Couple of things: First, a majority of Senate Dems voted for the IWR. And Obama?
Skip Intro
Apr 2014
#82
and I am not buying your moralistic implication that if Hillary is the nominee you would not vote
lostincalifornia
Apr 2014
#130
It is up to those who are Democrats, and those Democrats to select their candidate for President.
lostincalifornia
Apr 2014
#178
If Democrats have any desire not to have corporate governance and warmongering we wouldn't nominate
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#135
Why do I need to do any such thing. You turd way suicide packers should have started your own party
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#271
back at you bud, I voted for George McGovern in my first election, and have voted for the most
lostincalifornia
Apr 2014
#274
St. Ronnie himself, Dick Nixon, Barry Goldwater, and even William F. Buckley all compare
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#307
I understand. I haven't reached that stage yet, probably never will, though it does gripe me that
lostincalifornia
Apr 2014
#334
I wouldn't read much of anything into electing a Democratic Governor at all, it is almost always
TheKentuckian
Apr 2014
#340
aaand here comes the rising swill of "voting to allow invasion of Iraq doesn't mean voting to ALLOW
MisterP
Apr 2014
#118
voting for people like Clinton preserves the status quo of giving the 1%ers complete control.
politicman
Apr 2014
#136
That unwise vote cost her the previous election and may well do so again. It display a mindset that
ladjf
Apr 2014
#160
so i assume this means you will not vote for her no matter what, because i would not vote for
JI7
Apr 2014
#239
it's about feeling morally superior without doing anything, just the fact they come on a Democratic
JI7
Apr 2014
#238
Guys--we are *known* for killing lots of people. So it's fine. Hillary '16! nt
Romulox
Apr 2014
#183
Got past it easily, but everyone is different. You are welcome to feel that way.
Xyzse
Apr 2014
#209
Drive-by thread. The OP hasn't replied to a single post in her thread......
scheming daemons
Apr 2014
#213
Exactly. I don't know what is with this cathartic garbage that some feel the need to proclaim who
lostincalifornia
Apr 2014
#251
I don't know what is with this cathartic garbage that some feel the need ...
99Forever
Apr 2014
#252